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**thefalcon** · 02-21-2011, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by MSN1 View Post

How pollution infects the oil ?
Air filter filters air but it won't filter the air 100 % those dust may get settled down in oil only
And in city like bangalore stress on engine is much higher than oin village and other places

Just assume the stress goes to engine in bangalore hectic traffic jam.

All the above said factors reflects in oil colour.

All those HH, honda, suzuki and other jap bikes goes with JASO ma2 standerd oil well.

And abdhul our PSR suggested the 2 or 5 ml oil sollution for false reserve I believe not the false petrol level indication.

But how does air come in contact with the oil ?
Air and fuel are pushed into the top of the cylinder and the oil is in the bottom, and both are seperated by piston ring which are supposed to form airtight seal right.
Anyway, i think gulf oil doesn't become black soon because it has a 10000km drain interval, May be Abdul changed the oil filter as well and drained out the old oil completely, so the oil remained reddish for longer, and in your case the remaining 100-200ml oil in the engine made the new gulf oil also become darker soon.
(just my theory, not sure if its right)

Originally posted by animeher View Post

. I would definitely not like if someone wakes me up after deep sleep with a shock and make me run miles! Why would the bike be treated this way?

So its better to kick a person to wake him up.

Just kidding, i guess this debate of kick vs ES is endless since all of us just have opinions but no experimental proof.
But one doubt i had regarding kick, when you kick 4-6 times with the ignition off, doesn't it cause fuel to enter the cylinder ? (since carb is completely mechanical i guess it would still allow fuel to enter cylinder even when ignition is off)
Which would result in a lot of fuel being burnt at once when you try to start afterward.

2. Of the piston ring and cylinder material, the one which wears is cylinder material.

Buddy i'm pretty sure you got it the other way round. Piston rings wear out faster than cylinder.
Main logic being, its cheaper to change rings rather than the whole cylinder.

**mps6887** · 02-21-2011, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by clanx View Post

hey guys,
I just left my bike for 2nd service and they charge me 400 bucks.
There was no major complaints. They only have to change the oil, which would cost max 210-250..What's remaining 150 for? I thought it was free service..

second service is a free service...for my bike i bought and gave the engine oil to svc...so they charged me nothing...check your receipt for what they have charged you...

**vipin_s** · 02-21-2011, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by thefalcon View Post

Buddy i'm pretty sure you got it the other way round. Piston rings wear out faster than cylinder.
Main logic being, its cheaper to change rings rather than the whole cylinder.

It is the piston ring that wears out faster, You are right, I was wrong..sorry about that

**mps6887** · 02-21-2011, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by vishnukmd View Post

I have read somewhere that the cost of petrol in Pakistan, our neighboring country is equal to 18 Indian rupees. Is it true? Any idea?

nope....

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petrol costs 72 rupees in pakistan..

well..it's pak rupees...to convert it into indian rupees

1 indian rupee=1.89 pak rupees

so it costs 38 indian rupees...

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**MACH50** · 02-21-2011, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by mps6887 View Post

so it costs 38 indian rupees...

Still it is a very economic pricing !!!

Just calculate 10 liters of 62 bucks fuel and 10 liters of 38bucks fuel.The amount that is saved is very evident then.

**babaa** · 02-21-2011, 11:48 PM

Guys,my dad's GSR tank is rusting..Its visible from the top,dont know what would be the case inside!!

**vishnukmd** · 02-22-2011, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by MSN1 View Post

Dealer may try to create false demand

@ vishnu brother, am not an expert but still a learner the advantage I got is one of my friend is a expert mechanic and another one is a oil distributor in andhrapradesh.

It is nice to have a good mechanic as your friend. I too have one, whom I consult every day or every now and then, even in the midnight. That friendship will benefit you as in my case. Keep up that friendship.
But I am doubtful about his expertise.

Originally posted by Anupdas View Post

The Vertical mounted engine have better better weight distribution and Horizontal have low Centre of Mass. Horizontal engine is adopted only by lower CC bikes, I assume its due to weight factor and difficulty to mount in Chassis. Its almost like comparing Inliners vs V-Twin, mileage part is still debatable. Each one have their own pros and cons.

Like animeher said I have also read that since most people dont idle engine on starting, Hero Honda came up with this ingenious technique to increase the engine life by mounting engine Horizontal. Similarly knowing people wont lube and clean drive chain they came up with chain cover. Simple yet effective.

The engine wear happens so slow that it only appears in a long run. The petroleum based oils drain completely from engine components within few hours. Synthetics remain adhered to engine parts for longer duration due to their lower pouring point and ability to form thin layer. But since the engine is small and lesser moving parts, the oil spreads easily in no time. Even though initial wearing is still there.

Now there is pratically no advantage by removing kicker in the above mentioned bikes. It can only be seen as a trend setting from manufactures.

Dear Anup,

If there is no practical advantage in removing the kicker, there is no disadvantage too.

Bajaj knows how to convince people that their bikes are always updated and stylish....

Why doubt? I have no doubt about it.

Originally posted by thefalcon View Post

Anyway, i think gulf oil doesn't become black soon because it has a 10000km drain interval

That may be correct, thefalcon. If the oil is good enough to absorb or capture the contaminants due to combustion, it should turn dark. Otherwise, the oil is not able to absorb this debris and is not good enough to use.

So its better to kick a person to wake him up. Just kidding

Yes. But be sure that you are out of his reach.

Originally posted by mps6887 View Post

petrol costs 72 rupees in pakistan. well..it's pak rupees...to convert it into indian rupees

1 indian rupee=1.89 pak rupees. so it costs 38 indian rupees.

Prem Sundar,
My information was from a local political weekly, which has a very poor printing and proof reading quality. Thanks for finding out and posting here the real figure.
And see, how different is the price of petrol in these two countries, as Mach50 pointed out.

**vishnukmd** · 02-22-2011, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by babaa View Post

Guys,my dad's GSR tank is rusting..Its visible from the top,dont know what would be the case inside!!

Ask the dealer to replace the tank. He will do. After getting the replacement, try to keep the tank full with petrol.
Can you please upload an image of the rusting portion?

**vishnukmd** · 02-22-2011, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by thefalcon View Post

But one doubt i had regarding kick, when you kick 4-6 times with the ignition off, doesn't it cause fuel to enter the cylinder ? (since carb is completely mechanical i guess it would still allow fuel to enter cylinder even when ignition is off)
Which would result in a lot of fuel being burnt at once when you try to start afterward.

How? I am doubtful.

**vishnukmd** · 02-22-2011, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by clanx View Post

They only have to change the oil, which would cost max 210-250..What's remaining 150 for? I thought it was free service..

**Guru_007** · 02-22-2011, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by vishnukmd View Post

Avenger 220, Pulsar 220, Pulsar 180, Ninja 250, Hunk, Karizma, CBZ Extreme SS, Honda Stunner CBF, Apache RTR 180, R 15, Fazer, FZ 1 and many more are not provided with lever to kick. I wonder how these bikes withstand the huge tear and wear happening to its engine at the time of starting without kicking! Or are the manufacturers purposely cheating the costumers without providing this facility?
Can you please clear my doubt? I am asking this because I have removed this lever from my bike on the first day of purchase itself. It has covered 13750 kms. Is it necessary to refit it and start kicking?

I beg to differ... the Apache RTR 180....Hunk and the CBZ come with the kick lever....I suppose...

**cmahajan** · 02-22-2011, 11:11 AM

The bikes like FZ16, R15 and many others which never came with a kick starter are doing good I suppose..

I have never heard any owners complain about any starting problems or engine problems due to the absence of a kick lever...

So I think the manufacturers know what they're doing by removing the kick...

**animeher** · 02-22-2011, 11:28 AM

Guys, enough about the kick already! It's not that people are coming to your home to kick start your bikes! Ones that believe kick helps, they will kick start no matter what. I even kick start my new Honda Aviator and keep it idling for a minute every morning, before wifey takes it out. I believe in that theory, and it takes hardly 2 minutes of time. Even if I stop doing it, it will save hardly 2 mins. But I have seen many activas and pleasures where the person is thumbing the starter to glory and the bike simply refuses to start. By my previous experience of bike, I learnt that how you treat your bike today decides how the bike will behave 3-5 years later from now. Thus I am by default more tradiitonal in my methods.

As per new technology, even open chains with O rings are seen only on new and sports bikes. But it doesn't mean the boxed chain is absolute. Toe shifter alone is present on new bikes, and now we crib about our shoes getting dirty, because of lack of heel shifter.

This is why I selected GS after waiting for a good bike, because no other bike gave such no nonsense featurs. It doen't have useless bling features like no-kick, open chain, toe shifter alone, split grab rails etc. It came across as a package of what works best

**vishnukmd** · 02-22-2011, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by animeher View Post

Guys, enough about the kick already!

The period of complete peace in the history of mankind is about a mere four and a half years! Then, why should we keep peace? Let us start another argument; but about what? Let it be on the subject of subject to argue.

**MSN1** · 02-22-2011, 12:31 PM

In my understanding a bike without kicker is like a scooter without stephny.

Am not a regular kicker (morning kick starter) some times may be urgency or my lazyness makes me go by button start, for me even in last night rain my GS responds to my button push swiftly on single attempt.

I appriciate that still we are trying to get correct answer from some one; that shows our learning attitude.

"One who thinks he knows everything can't learn anything more, and that attitude slowly let down his leadership in his domain"

All purana models cars doesn't have button or ignition key starter they used to start with a rotating thing which acts like a kicker in bike.

And nowadays we have all cars equiped with ignition or button start and those engines are not gone down

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