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**vishnukmd** · 02-22-2011, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by akfara View Post

SO if the color of the oil not darken after 350-400km means it's bad oil? The oil name is MOBIL SUPER 4T 20w 40.

I am not an expert in engine oil, as some others. And to the best of my knowledge, no reliable comparative studies have been made in this matter. So we use different brands of oil, believing whichever we use is the best.
Generally, mineral oil is good enough for our bike. But, as your mind is oscillating between the brands and as you are unable to take a decision, try Castrol Power1 semi-synthetic and if it is satisfactory, stick to it. To get rid of duplicates, buy from a reputed vendor or from an authorized dealer.
Others may have good reasons to offer different brands. I have heard that raw coconut oil is used as engine lubricant in three wheelers in some parts of Kerala. They have their own arguments to support it.
Your mental satisfaction is the decisive factor. So, stop this oscillation, decide yourself and act accordingly.
When i got my bike returned the sound coming from my bike as per Main SC is TAPPET NOISE

That is the correct tappet clearance. Now use a good oil and replace it in every 4000 kms as instructed in the owner’s manual, or earlier if you feel an itch to replace it.
Now the tappet problem is solved and forget it. Please don’t give unnecessary attention to the sounds the bike produce. All moving parts make more or less sound and it is normal. There is nothing abnormal in your bike. So ignore the usual sounds.
And, never try to compare your bike with any other GS. Doing so is utter foolishness.
AND the SC mech also done a 200ml Test and got 13.4km.

67 kml is excellent. There are many factors affecting fuel economy and hence it varies from time to time. To get a good mileage, keep the bike well maintained and to lessen petrol evaporation, keep the tank full.
The main SC not agree that ,the fuel sensor(inside the tank) is able clean to avoid false reading in Fuel gauge. But u can replace similar bolt other than SUZUKI OEM ....Is it true for this DRUM BOLT?

As I have mentioned earlier, most of the mechanics do not have any theoretical knowledge about engines, but some are excellent in the practical side. They cannot be blamed for objecting the usage of 2T oil in 4 stroke engine. But, as PSR pointed out, you can add it occasionally, not continuously, in the petrol. But, if you are not convinced, never try it because the doubts about its effects on the engine will haunt you. Besides, even after adding this oil in petrol, you will not get an exact reading of fuel level. Hence avoid it.
I cannot understand which bolt you are mentioning. Anyhow, replacing a bolt with another similar one cannot cause any problem. So, use an available one now and replace it later, if necessary. All the best.

**SparKot** · 02-22-2011, 12:50 PM

MFG Date of my GSR : Oct 2010

Today I gave my bike for its first service. It has only 380 Kms

on its ODO and SC guy said it's not necessary to change to the oil now. Will be changing it after 800 Kms.

Saptagiri Suzuki (Rajkumar Road, Bengaluru) doesn't have Motul-3000 in stock.. they've only SERVO!!!!

Will be going to Millers Road Suzuki for my next service.

Observations:

1 - Haven't noticed any rusting at the mouth of my Tank yet.
2 - Gear shifting is smooth now to be honest.

Query :
Assuming you hit a signal uphill (25 to 30 degree steep) and come to stand still, can you please explain how to handle the first gear in this situation(front/rear break with clutch and throttle)? I knock it off often..

Thank you

**Augustine09** · 02-22-2011, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by SparKot View Post

MFG Date of my GSR : Oct 2010

Today I gave my bike for its first service. It has only 380 Kms

on its ODO and SC guy said it's not necessary to change to the oil now. Will be changing it after 800 Kms.

Saptagiri Suzuki (Rajkumar Road, Bengaluru) doesn't have Motul-3000 in stock.. they've only SERVO!!!!

Will be going to Millers Road Suzuki for my next service.

Observations:

1 - Haven't noticed any rusting at the mouth of my Tank yet.
2 - Gear shifting is smooth now to be honest.

Query :
Assuming you hit a signal uphill (25 to 30 degree steep) and come to stand still, can you please explain how to handle the first gear in this situation(front/rear break with clutch and throttle)? I knock it off often..

Thank you

Since your bike has not run that much, It is OK that you did not change the oil. But make sure that once you cross 500 or 600 Kms in the odo you change it. You should be able to get Motul in B'lore. There is some thread which gives all the contacts of Motul distributors in India. Can some one find it for me ? You can find the B'lore contact there.

@ handling 1st Gear uphill - Use the disc while stand still and put on the first gear. Raise the throttle a bit to say 2000 rpm and then try to release the clutch slowly. You can feel the bike moving forward and and your disc stopping it. Now release your disc and proceed. This comes by practice so dont get frustrated if it stalls the first time. Later, you can control uphill standstill by your clutch itself [along with your foot on the ground] with no use of the brakes. That will be good experience when you are driving a car uphill from a stand still. Bike shold not be a problem for you.

**BiKeLovER** · 02-22-2011, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by SparKot View Post

MFG Date of my GSR : Oct 2010

Today I gave my bike for its first service. It has only 380 Kms

on its ODO and SC guy said it's not necessary to change to the oil now. Will be changing it after 800 Kms.

Saptagiri Suzuki (Rajkumar Road, Bengaluru) doesn't have Motul-3000 in stock.. they've only SERVO!!!!

Will be going to Millers Road Suzuki for my next service.

Observations:

1 - Haven't noticed any rusting at the mouth of my Tank yet.
2 - Gear shifting is smooth now to be honest.

Query :
Assuming you hit a signal uphill (25 to 30 degree steep) and come to stand still, can you please explain how to handle the first gear in this situation(front/rear break with clutch and throttle)? I knock it off often..

Thank you

YOu must always change the oil at the first service.....

Because it is very important....

**SparKot** · 02-22-2011, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by BiKeLovER View Post

YOu must always change the oil at the first service.....

Because it is very important....

Will do it after another 200/300 Kms... got to get Motul-3000 to SC.

Thank you

**mps6887** · 02-22-2011, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by MACH50 View Post

Still it is a very economic pricing !!!

Just calculate 10 liters of 62 bucks fuel and 10 liters of 38bucks fuel.The amount that is saved is very evident then.

Originally posted by vishnukmd View Post

Prem Sundar,
My information was from a local political weekly, which has a very poor printing and proof reading quality. Thanks for finding out and posting here the real figure.
And see, how different is the price of petrol in these two countries, as Mach50 pointed out.

yes..it is still JUST 38 RUPEES..we can fill the tank with around 700 rupees...

... it is so much tax that makes our petrol price much higher...i'll post the tax information later..

**MSN1** · 02-22-2011, 08:26 PM

Motul is a good oil their is no doubt about it,

But for you the next oil change interval should be sooner that's some where in 1500 kms or second service.

So its better to go with a normal oil such as castrol or svc oil, because those oils are bad enough to make your engine mate well during the run in period.

Moreover you won't realize the full effect of motul oils goodness as your engine itself is new so wait till at least 1500 kms and try motul.

This is my humble Suggestion; and everything is left to your decision

**mps6887** · 02-22-2011, 08:34 PM

it's an old data...but look how much duties and tax for the petrol..tax and duties are higher than the basic price..

As on 25.06.2010.
Basic Price Rs 23.00
Central Excise Duty Rs 14.35 (Central Govt Tax fixed in Budget )
Education cess Rs 00.43 ( Central Govt Tax- 3% on Rs 14.35)
Crude oil Customs Duty Rs 01.15 ( Central Govt Tax- 5% on Basic Price)
Custums Duty on Petrol Rs 01.73 ( Central Govt Tax- 7.5% on Basic Price)
VAT Rs 07.59 ( A.P State Govt Tax- 33% on Basic Price)
Dealer Commission Rs 01.05
Trasportation Charges Rs 07.03
Total...............................Rs 56.33

What is the actual cost of petrol in India? - Yahoo! Answers India

http://www.managementparadise.com/forums/articles/28356-how-petrol-price-calculated-india.html

**Joe85** · 02-23-2011, 12:34 AM

For my first service, they billed Rs 30 as Labour charge.

**MACH50** · 02-23-2011, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Joe85 View Post

For my first service, they billed Rs 30 as Labour charge.

Looks like they wanted ur Love and appreciation for their work

**mps6887** · 02-23-2011, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by Joe85 View Post

For my first service, they billed Rs 30 as Labour charge.

labour charge or oil filter.....they charged me 20 or 30 rupees (i'm not sure) for oil filter change...

**vipin_s** · 02-23-2011, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Joe85 View Post

For my first service, they billed Rs 30 as Labour charge.

That is for consumables like grease/fixing small nut/bolt/washer, oil filter lasts engine life ! Labour charge is 'zero' during free services.

**vishnukmd** · 02-23-2011, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by mps6887 View Post

labour charge or oil filter.....they charged me 20 or 30 rupees (i'm not sure) for oil filter change...

The oil filter costs Rs. 34.52.

**venky7** · 02-23-2011, 10:27 PM

2011 model GS, saw some rust getting formed near the mouth of the tank took it to SVC they suggested to put 2T oil in the tank, the petrol pump guy just poured the oil into the petrol tank and not on the mouth will that help or does the oil needs to be applied on the rust??

one more question, the bike was first on half clutch (meaning: even with a slight realease of the clutch the bike would move) but the gears were hard so the SVC guys changed it to full clutch i.e i have to release the clutch half way through to get the bike moving i found this hard in traffic, so changed it back to half clutch now gears are little hard again but better than before, what do u suggest i should do? smooth gear shifts are priority

and also it is very hard to find neutral at standstill, i mean almost impossible i have to use the kill switch with the bike in 1st gear, any solutions to this? visited the svc thrice still no use

what should i tell them to do?

**vipin_s** · 02-23-2011, 10:45 PM

1. 2011 model GS, saw some rust getting formed near the mouth of the tank took it to SVC they suggested to put 2T oil in the tank, the petrol pump guy just poured the oil into the petrol tank and not on the mouth will that help or does the oil needs to be applied on the rust??

2. one more question, the bike was first on half clutch (meaning: even with a slight realease of the clutch the bike would move) but the gears were hard so the SVC guys changed it to full clutch i.e i have to release the clutch half way through to get the bike moving i found this hard in traffic, so changed it back to half clutch now gears are little hard again but better than before, what do u suggest i should do? smooth gear shifts are priority

3.and also it is very hard to find neutral at standstill, i mean almost impossible i have to use the kill switch with the bike in 1st gear, any solutions to this? visited the svc thrice still no use what should i tell them to do?

1. Get tank replaced under warranty( I am sure many xbhpains got it replaced for free)
2. Clutch engages & dis-engages (should be used as ON OR OFF as in switch) there's nothing in-between and you shouldn't attempt to do that, as it can wear out clutches fast, use accelerator/brake instead of playing with clutch.
3. Ask svc guys to lubricate the gear lever hinge and adjust it (depth-wise).

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