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  • Originally posted by SparKot View Post
    Only 227 km, let it run on the current Oil for another 500 kms, manual says so.

    I assume
    - do not put FS(Fully Synthetic) unless you've more than 6000 kms on your ODO.
    - do not put SS(Semi Synthetic) unless you've more than 3000 kms on your ODO.
    - Premium Mineral is best always.

    As Vishnu and others were saying; go with xxW-40 grade Oil with better rating.

    xxW-40 includes: 10w-40, 15w-40, 20W-40

    Senior members may advice you more on which brand to go with. Going by the price tag of Rs 237/- in the picture you've posted, it's Mineral Oil.

    Would suggest not to go for FS as your place is not in extreme temperature's (either too cold or too hot)
    "For a Racer FS is mandatory, but for a commuter, it wont make big difference"

    Mineral is cheaper and you can keep using it up to 2000 kms and it wont harm the environment

    SS and mineral doest have much difference as SS is made up of close to 75% mineral oil + approx of 25 % synthetic oil

    still i will say even till 10,000 kms mineral or SS after 10 k go for FS if you want but its not mandatory, all bikes are capable of running on mineral oil till the end of its life





    Originally posted by firegun View Post
    Hi, please help me my GS clocked over 227km of ODO so i planned to change the Oil, Here in my area i searched to find a good brand with following two things
    1. SAE standard
    2. JASO MA2 standard

    finally i found only one brand has both of the above standards, Brand called Agip (attached the Image also) which is Licensed from Eni S.P.A Italy().

    I need your suggestion please because there is something written as Synthetic Technology and i dont know about this brand too.
    our GS is a japs (japanees technonogy engine) bike so no need to bring SAE standerd here just JASO MA2 is enough

    i did used AGIP long back not happy with it and changed the oil just after 600 kms, its italian brand but made in mumbai.

    forget what ever synthetic technology they writen on it, if the oil price is below 300 then its mineral oil only.
    Last edited by MSN1; 07-05-2011, 11:13 PM.
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    • Originally posted by MSN1 View Post
      forget what ever synthetic technology they writen on it, if the oil price is below 300 then its mineral oil only.
      True........... and the only truly synthetic oil I find in India is Motul 300V

      All grades of Motul is great, and our GS150R simply loves it.

      The mineral grade is called 30004T plus with grades 20W40 and 15W50
      The semi-synthetic variants are 5100 and 7100 with grades mostly 10W30 or 10W40
      The top of line with a very different character is Motul 300V and it costs as much.

      Many people takes Castrol Power 1 which is priced at 260bucks(green container) as fully synthetic, but the true Castrol Power 1 fully synthetic costs 650 bucks,it comes in light brown container.
      Elf also bought a synthetic grade at 750 bucks.

      So does all companies like AGIP,Shell,Gulf, Mobil and even Mak has synthetic oils...........and the truly synthetic oil has to exceed atleast Rs.450 bucks when it comes to quality.

      The Motul 300V costs Rs.850..........perhaps the costliest of all motorcycle engine oils !!!!
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      • It's a motul afterall.....my beast loves it....
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        • Thank you so much

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          @MACH

          Thanks a lot your replies are really helpful, sure i will go for Motul 3000 4T 20W-40 when the ODO cross 500km

          May be i think i can find the Motul in Coimbatore will update back when i get one
          Last edited by firegun; 07-06-2011, 12:13 AM.
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          • Originally posted by MACH50 View Post
            True........... and the only truly synthetic oil I find in India is Motul 300V

            All grades of Motul is great, and our GS150R simply loves it.

            The mineral grade is called 30004T plus with grades 20W40 and 15W50
            The semi-synthetic variants are 5100 and 7100 with grades mostly 10W30 or 10W40
            The top of line with a very different character is Motul 300V and it costs as much.

            Many people takes Castrol Power 1 which is priced at 260bucks(green container) as fully synthetic, but the true Castrol Power 1 fully synthetic costs 650 bucks,it comes in light brown container.
            Elf also bought a synthetic grade at 750 bucks.

            So does all companies like AGIP,Shell,Gulf, Mobil and even Mak has synthetic oils...........and the truly synthetic oil has to exceed atleast Rs.450 bucks when it comes to quality.

            The Motul 300V costs Rs.850..........perhaps the costliest of all motorcycle engine oils !!!!
            Castrol SS will cost around 300 to 330 bucks

            Actual castrol Fully synthetic comes in a different metal tin like container which is named as Power 1 Racing 4T
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            • Originally posted by MSN1 View Post
              our GS is a japs (japanees technonogy engine) bike so no need to bring SAE standerd here just JASO MA2 is enough
              I did so because it was mentioned i our manual page 3-2 thats all.

              anyhow no problem you guys have lot experience regarding the Oil that suits our GS
              Last edited by firegun; 07-06-2011, 12:38 AM.
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              • Originally posted by firegun View Post
                I did so because it was mentioned i our manual page 3-2 thats all.

                anyhow no problem you guys have lot experience regarding the Oil that suits our GS
                the profile picture of your really suits you as you are keenly referring the manual

                if motul is not available try Gulf or valvoline or Elf
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                • Originally posted by MSN1 View Post
                  if motul is not available try Gulf or valvoline or Elf
                  Thanks Bro, Sure i will Try any one of the above.



                  Originally posted by MSN1 View Post
                  the profile picture of your really suits you as you are keenly referring the manual
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                  • Originally posted by speed deamon View Post
                    guys help me out i wanna clean the chain of my beast but i am unable to open the front sprocket cover as i trying it with cresant wrench.... how to open it or is it better to go to local mechanic and tell him to clean the chain
                    Originally posted by speed deamon View Post
                    bro yeah i know we can clean that way but most of the sludge will be in the cover which covers front sprocket thats the reason i am asking

                    Use T spanner to loosen the bolts. GS is with chain cover and lubricating the chain is enough. To do it easily, remove the lower half of the chain cover and apply a mixture of grease and oil in the inner side of the chain, as Maistro said. I am using SAE 140 EP Rear Axle Oil and Castrol Premium Formula Gel.





                    If you like to remove the sludge, open the front sprocket cover and lower chain cover with T spanner and clean with kerosene or diesel.


                    If that sludge is not making any problem, let it be there. Removal of it is not essential as lubricating the chain.

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                    • @All,

                      If i give 20W40 grade oil of my choice rather than the company recommended one(the SVC said they used Veedol during my first service) during my second service, that shouldn't create any problems right...

                      Also anyone tried a rear hugger / rim tapes on GS?
                      If so I wold like some details on that

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                      • Originally posted by ashoka_bnglr View Post
                        If i give 20W40 grade oil of my choice rather than the company recommended one(the SVC said they used Veedol during my first service) during my second service, that shouldn't create any problems right...
                        As per Vishnu's comments on the same couple of pages back; It doesn't matters.
                        I skipped replacing Oil on my first service as I had only 300+ kms on my ODO. Then after 700 kms I had it replaced with the help of a local mechanic.
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                        • Originally posted by SparKot View Post
                          As per Vishnu's comments on the same couple of pages back; It doesn't matters.
                          I skipped replacing Oil on my first service as I had only 300+ kms on my ODO. Then after 700 kms I had it replaced with the help of a local mechanic.
                          What's done is done , but you definitely should not have skipped oil change at your first service .

                          Originally posted by vishnukmd View Post
                          Use T spanner to loosen the bolts. GS is with chain cover and lubricating the chain is enough. To do it easily, remove the lower half of the chain cover and apply a mixture of grease and oil in the inner side of the chain, as Maistro said. I am using SAE 140 EP Rear Axle Oil and Castrol Premium Formula Gel.
                          If you clean the chain regularly, it will last for 25-30 k kms and if you don’t clean it, 25,000-30,000 kms. So, in my opinion, this cleaning is not needed or it is a waste.
                          If you like to remove the sludge, open the front sprocket cover and lower chain cover with T spanner and clean with kerosene or diesel.
                          If that sludge is not making any problem, let it be there. Removal of it is not essential as lubricating the chain.
                          Dirt+water+dust+sand+spent-oil makes a fine grinding paste for metals . So just lubing the chain is not enough , it should be cleaned periodically as well , at least once every 5000kms . If the front sprocket cover can be removed easily , good , else skip that . Kerosene used generously with an old toothbrush will carry to the sprockets and clean it too , as the wheel is rotated during cleaning . Wipe off and let the kerosene dry out before oiling . Mixture of 140wt oil & grease is too heavy to penetrate the chain links well . It will just give an appearance of lubrication on the surface . Lube with 90wt gear oil , brushing it in with the same old toothbrush . If using grease , use it after applying the oil . Grease will then trap the oil inside the chain rollers and keep it there longer and reduce chain noise . But grease attracts more dust & sand etc too , so keep that in mind ( next cleaning within 3000kms ) . Castrol premium gel grease is an NLGI 2-2.5 grease not meant for this kind of application . Use wheel bearing grease (pref the black EP type) if you do .
                          This is for ordinary rolon chains , for o-ring/x-ring types , just light cleaning with kero , and then a sparing application of a light motor-oil is sufficient .
                          Last edited by Pinaki; 07-06-2011, 05:41 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                            Dirt+water+dust+sand+spent-oil makes a fine grinding paste for metals. So just lubing the chain is not enough , it should be cleaned periodically as well , at least once every 5000kms.

                            These pictures are of my 17,300 kms old chain, chain cover and sprocket which has never been cleaned. Pictures were taken after a ride through rain.

                            Even a single roller is damaged or rusted. None of its links are crimped. I hope it will last some 8000 -10000 more kms.



                            Anyway, thanks for correcting me.







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                            • Originally posted by ashoka_bnglr View Post
                              If i give 20W40 grade oil of my choice rather than the company recommended one(the SVC said they used Veedol during my first service) during my second service, that shouldn't create any problems right.

                              As far as I know, changing the brand of the oil makes no problem of warranty or anything else.

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                              • Originally posted by MACH50 View Post
                                I would advise against clip-on handlebars...........it adversely affects the stability and handling abilities of a bike which has been designed to function with straight bar handles.

                                Also it totally destroys the originality of the bike when you consider the locking system or the front suspension alignment of the bike.

                                Try using Pulsar180 DTSi UG3 handlebar for best result.



                                If you want to use a KN air-filter, you better use it inside the air-box........it will make your bike ride-able and performing in any terrain and climate.

                                The KN air-filter can be attached by its harness on the stock Fiero or Apache RTR air box filter cap and can be used to replace our stock. air-filter cum top cap assembly.

                                This will put the new free flow induction system into your airbox.
                                Originally posted by vishnukmd View Post
                                K&N is letting in more air in to the engine and more dust with it due to the poor filtering quality of its which spoils the engine. It is not a compressor to compress air and push it in. However large quantity of air is available to take in, the engine cannot use / suck more than whatever goes through the exhaust.


                                Increased air intake alone cannot increase the power of the bike. It needs more fuel which means low mileage.





                                Then, where does all the dust filtered throughout this long period of riding go except in to the engine itself as there is no special chamber in this filter to collect this dust to be removed later?


                                The overall benefit from this filter may be a little louder exhaust sound and nothing like increased power or mileage, as it is impossible to increase any of it by a mere replacement of air filter.


                                Here, the usual question we ask. Why do any of the automobile manufacturers never use this type of air filters and are all the engine designers morons enough to avoid it?

                                Thank you MACH50 and vishnukmd for responding..

                                I will try Pulsar180 DTSi UG3 handlebar or pulsar 135LS'
                                Considering your suggestions, I am not going for K&N filter as of now.
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