[QUOTE=mazaid53;613512]Apache idle @ 1300rpm is ok...for GS warm idle is 1500rpm and cold idle is 1100-1300 rpm.(Is it mention in that manner in the Manual???..or newhere)[/QUOTE]

Idle RPM is the one which u get when its warm....so its always advisable to set ur idle RPM when ur engine is warm...

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@Mach50: I have faced many issues with my bike in first 2000 Km. mostly engine related. Suzuki people replaced all the engine internals and delivered my bike at 2073 Km to me.
Till date i have ridden 3520 Km (i.e. 1520 km after engine rebuild). I rode the bike for 1200 km with max speed reaching 70KMPH & rpm 6.5k.
yesterday i did it's 2nd service hoping that the engine will become free, vibrations will disappear and gears will become smooth.
To my surprise...now my bike has less pickup, engine feels harsh beyond 5.5k, vibrations can be felt over 6k rpm and gears are not yet smooth. I tried many methods of shifting..just to check if i am doing something wrong while shifting....but then also I got same notchy shifts.
Now my question is, can these issues be due to engine oil?? SC people have put suzuki engine oil...which is nothing but Castrol activ 4T.

I have read your post about loving a machine...the thing is...before this engine rebuild my bike was vibration free (except for 3.5k to 4k rpm band), the exhaust note was more silent, and there was not even slight hammering noise from crank till 1.7k km (though this hammering noise appeared after 1.7k km), also there's this whining noise from engine once my bike is in 6th gear and crosses 7k rpm. Is it there in your bike also??

In your post you have said something about clutch setting...Suzuki engineer himself checked my bike and told that its proper and no need to adjust. What should i do in such case? can you ask your local mechanic about what exactly he did with clutch setting?

Whatever the issues with my bike I love it and thats the reason i want to fix them. I love it for that tank, for that economy of 45+ even in scorching heat, for that torque in 6th gear which effortlessly carried me with my luggage and a pillion in Kasara ghat.

buddy i need your help to refine this machine as much as i can. The pleasure to get my hands greasy is unparalleled.

@all: your thoughtful inputs would help a lot

[QUOTE=pritish;613517]Agree about warm idle setting should be done when engine is warm, the idle rpm i have mentioned was told by suzuki engineer and i have an Apache rtr 160..which idles at 1200rpm warm & 1000rpm cold.

Mazaid, if you feel that your bike is feeling worse after service and parts replacement,I think it is high time for you to ask Suzuki for a replacement of your bike as it is still under warranty.I fear that the factory settings of the engine has not been optimized by the SVC even though they have replaced the parts.

Apart from that there is little I can help,otherwise if you had been in my city I would have had identified each problem and would have solved them accordingly.

First, of all I cannot understand what you ,mean by slight hammering noise from the crank.I hope it is an engine knocking that you are complaining about.My bike for example does not changes its note even after hours of high speed highway riding, on the contrary the exhaust sounds heavier and sweeter.And if my assumptions are correct about the engine knocking which it might be the hammering then it is a problem of wrongly done transmission.Suzuki GS150R loses torque very soon if you carry very low speed in higher gears,this can be attributed to its short gear ratio and heavy weight and long stroke, so my advise would be to downshift,whenever you feel your crank hammering.If this change in your riding habit causes to stop the hammering then I feel your bike is ok.The GS150R always needs gearshift to keep in the torquey zone.

Second, what my mechanic did at that time I too cannot confirm,I was too excited about my new ride.But from the tools he used and the part he rectified,it seemed that he adjusted the clutch cable play near the transmission hub of the engine and he greased and oiled that point.Anyway,I would ask him soon as to what he did exactly.To tell the truth, after the first service, the gearshift on my bike was pathetic, I had to really kick the gear pedal with clutch fully pressed in order to shift, but I remained unfazed.Seeing my new bike the mechanic chacha wanted a test ride,After he rode, he simply got down and solved the problem.Trust me there is something wrong with the clutch play on the transmission side of the engine.

Try this to confirm-put your bike on mainstand.Start the engine in neutral, then slowly fully press the clutch(fully press it,till it touches the the left handle firmly), then try shifting the gear......I think you will get a smooth shift this time.And if it is really so,then my assumption is correct.
What happens is when we ride, all of us seldom disengage(press) the clutch fully, most careful riders may only press it by 90% in their daily rides.So the bike by default should sport a clutch setting where it is capable of shifting without 100% disengagement.World over,every car and bike manufacturers make sure of it.The only deviation seems to be the GS150R factory setting of clutch.

Yes, I too get a whining noise when my bike moves in sixth and in high rpms.......but not on a tight chain,The problem lies in the chain of the GS150R......it becomes loose very quickly,maybe after 250-300kms and it will remain that way for lifetime.This is the problem with bikes having long wheelbase and using standard grade chains.Try tightening your chain and the whining noise would be gone in any rpm and in any gear.

As for the engine oil I always feel, that Motul 30004T plus 20W40 is an engine oil which brings the GS150R to its true element.You should definitely go for it if you want your bike to perform as one of the best.

As of now,awaiting your feedback on the above.

I would suggest that, you find a friend who owns GSR too n drives his bike

You may have obseved that whinning in Karizma too.....its looser chain

[QUOTE=mazaid53;613555]There is nothing like warm idle setting or cold idle setting.Its just that when your engine is warm/hot you got to set your idle RPM.

My RTR 180 start up idle is 1000k & when hot its in between 1200-1300 rpm.

@mazaid53: Brother, the only help from my side is corroboration of some of the your issues that exist on my bike as well.

After 2nd service, some things got screwed up on mine too:

> The engine sound became harsher though the SC insists that it'll go away with time and its nothing to be worried about. Ive no way of confirming that it is. I havent come across similar bikes in similar running conditions having run the same amount as mine.

> Gear shifts had become notchier sometime before 2nd service when it was almost smooth upto that point. Now, it fallls with a thud in almost every gear.....I was thinking its probably the loose chain and shifter needing lube. Is there any such thing as shifter adjustment? Im also thinking that the shifting distance has increased.

> The pounding sound from the engine that you described showed up on mine right from the start but only after some 5k rpm and in regular and pleasant beats before 2nd S. After 2nd S, its become louder and irregular.
Mach50, the hammering(not exactly hammering....more like soft pounding like when mom prepares chilli powder with a grinding stone) sound isnt the one that comes from low speed-high gears. Its audible only beyond 5k. I thought it was normal all this time until you posted otherwise.

> Ive experienced the humming/whining sound on a tight chain too although Ive always felt that 20 mm(manual recommended tightness) is a bit too loose. Mach, if you could tell us what tautness you set your chain to, maybe we can do the same. To be honest, I never thought it as an issue till now and found it quite pleasant.

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* Since Im facing the almost same issues as you except for vibrations and lost pickup and Im using Motul 3000t, I think engine oil can be ruled out of the suspects list.

* I was thinking that the harshness of my engine was because Im an incorrigible ripper and probably dont do maintainance on it as frequently as I should for such riding. But seeing that you just ran your engine in and still face the same problems, Ive decided to have SC give it a thorugh inspection on 4th service.

* Do you have any cold start problems?

* Mach bro, contrary to logic, Im getting smoother shifts without fully pressed clutch and getting harder shifts when fully pressed.

Few pictures:

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Nice Photo, i love this Blackkk..Beast very Much........................
Doing 125kmph in GSR that to doubles...............lol............bakwas.....
My friend has GSR.. i have rided it so many times.......it never goes beyond........ 118kmph that to single riding............

Please do not embarrass yourself like this.

If you are not open to facts don't mess it up.

Most bikers know what the GS150R is capable of, it seems you are a newbie to biking,no issues.Be open minded you would learn many things or you would remain shrouded in arrogance and ignorance.

If still want to argue,well I have to ignore you.

You are posting in a forum where there is a video of GS150R clocking 122 kmph in city transit zones having considerable traffic.Hence please do not embarrass yourself here.

@mach50: do you think they will replace / refund if i am the one complaining and their engr.s are sayin everything is OK??
Also i observed that they don't clean oil strainer and just replace oil filter. that shouldn't make a difference in second service...but IMO they should have cleaned it this time as my bike's engine was run in.

dude...GS is capable of 125+kmph...and it handles at par with unicorn in twisties despite that weight and height.

^ will soon see a proof of that!

@Mazaid:
Hammering:Well its the well known auto-rickshaw beat of our bike ,I am sorry to say its the nature of a developed engine of a GS150R.Every GS150R owners feels that thump in the rpm region that you indicated.This hammering is actually the GS150R engine beat, the characteristic thump,which speaks a lot about its long stroke nature.Before run-in ,it might not have been prominent but must have felt like a Honda Shine, but that auto-rickshaw thump is crazy If you ever have ridden a R15, you will get it too,because our stroke lengths are same.

Vibration: Well if you get vibrations like Apache on the GS150R then something is definitely wrong with the engine balancer setting.By Apache I mean RTR160.My GS150R is even smoother than the Unicorn.No vibration is experienced by the pillion rider even when my bike goes above 110kmph.I have ridden every kind of bikes and the smoothness of GS150R is unlikely to be found on any bike on this side of Ninja 250R.

Torque and Clutch: GS150R is gifted with XTP,which means truckloads of torque without compromising bhp.GS150R's torque is unparalleled by any 150cc bike save the FZ16, which gets top end compromised and the R15, which has a lot more going into it to make it the sportsbike.So, the engineer is true about whatever he said, but if you suddenly let clutch fly and twist throttle at 40kmph in 6th gear,GS150R would have a hard time.......it is because,despite the torque,the gear ratio is short,which means gear shifting is necessary to keep the bike in torque zone,otherwise the bike climbs to bhp zone fast or falls from the torque zone and defects in pulling power.And about the clutch,I already said that GS150Rs factory clutch setting often leads to hard gearshift, which is not common with any other bikes,be it Enfiled or be it TVS or any other manufacturers you name.But I hope changing the engine oil to better and correct clutch adjustment on the transmission side would yield good result.I use clutchless shifts 90 percent of my riding time and its very smooth,so smooth shifting is it on my bike, that you won't even know when you have shifted already(gear indicator helps).Gives an advantage at quickshifts.

Whining noise: I don't get any whining noise if it is not for the chain.On your new bike the chain needs time to adjust.It would heat up then contract, thats how it would set in.Initially I used to suffer loose chain every 40kms, now that has raised to 300kms interval.On the contrary, my bike sounds better and almost like a grunty yet refined sports machine when pushed.

Engine Oil: Motul 3000 4Tplus is a mineral grade engine oil.It has both 20W40 as well as 15W50.I would suggest 20W40 mineral 3000 4Tplus for your bike.


@2TRama......Hmm, so even your gearshift has refined,actually that is what it should be.Even then if you say that you experienced no hard gearshifts in the initial 750kms then I would say you are mightily lucky I have never measured with scale the tautness of my chain,I always do the adjustments according to my feel of the ride and it is optimized, so I cannot give a definitive measurement.All I can say a too tight chain has good initial pick-up and has kak-kak sound from the chain region when the bike is walked without the engine on,but the bike does very badly in higher rpms.A too loose chain first gives the whining sound and then feels like it cannot pull the bike in fifth or sixth gears in high rpms.I just see to it,that the chain is so adjusted that I get neither of these.

Today had a small accident !

A couple of hours ago while I was riding, a bike which was standstill suddenly took a U turn. Did a panic braking, locked front wheel and fell of the bike head first.

Luckily I wore helmet and so suffered a few scratches to elbow and knee. Bike got injured more than me, crash guard saved my knee its badly bent. Scratches to the visor, right side indicator is broken, foot peg is bent. All thanks to the helmet, never ride with out one.

Guyz please let me know the procedure to claim the insurance. I used to proudly say that there isnt a single scratch in my bike. Scratches are there mainly for the plastics so I think there wont be much to claim.