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**pcgamer** · 10-25-2015, 11:41 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by Abishek94 View Post

Alert: Relatively long post ! :P

Thanks for the detailed reply. BTW, you answered the questions I posted after your post too

Do you feel that the choice of your oil could have had some impact? I too was using Shell AX7 till ~18K on the odo, but switched to TVS synthetic after that as the OEM synthetic oil gave me peace of mind. Don't you want to use the TRU4 synthetic this time?

I too share the same gripe about the lack of sixth gear. Under gearing is one if the reasons why I decided to stay away from the highway after 18-20K km. The bike screams at high RPM around 100 and the thought of stress on the engine alone brings down all the enjoyment. So, my bike hasn't had sustained high RPM rides since a long time. But sees redline upshifts 5-10 times a day. I settle into cruising mode around 5K RPM after that though. Thankfully, there hasn't been any dip in oil level till now.

Originally posted by Mr_Many_Places View Post

Yes. I thought about the point you mentioned that new 180s & 160s are getting more troublesome. My friend got his rtr's bore piston replaced at 37k kms last November. His bike was just 2 years old then. But my another colleague's cbz extreme (one with the integrated turn indicators ) has clocked 92k kms in 5 years & he has touched the engine a bit. Seems older gen rtr engines were more reliable

If that's the case, it's a pretty big concern. That's worse than even the older gen Pulsars which had gained notoriety for quality and reliability issues.

**Abishek94** · 10-26-2015, 12:01 AM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by pcgamer View Post

Thanks for the detailed reply. BTW, you answered the questions I posted after your post too

Do you feel that the choice of your oil could have had some impact? I too was using Shell AX7 till ~18K on the odo, but switched to TVS synthetic after that as the OEM synthetic oil gave me peace of mind. Don't you want to use the TRU4 synthetic this time?
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I don't think choice of oil plays such a huge role in life of engine. If its a well known company and has required approvals (jaso ma2 etc etc..) we can safely rule out the oil factor.
I'm staying away from the tvs synthetic oil as its W30 grade which may not suffice for long hours on the highway! I've always stuck to w40 grade for the same reason. Also, on my bike, oil change is done without fail every 2.8k-3k kms along with oil filter change.

**prateek2210** · 10-26-2015, 12:08 AM

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Just came back from a weekend ride from hills. Performed very good in hills as usual but when it comes to stop and go traffic it heats up a lot, even with AX7.

**prateek2210** · 10-27-2015, 01:03 AM

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A shot while entering the hills and some more

P.S : Most probably will make a log at diff forum, will share the link if that happens

**pranav_salieri** · 10-27-2015, 04:43 AM

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Mine gave up after 19K odo.the oil wears out very quickly 1500-2000 kms max.i was shocked when my mech said that the bore-piston kit had to replaced because there was no oil in bike when i just poured in shell advance semi synthetic and the biked had just clocked 3000 kms.My friends R15 lasts about 4000 kms with the same oil and with the same kind of city highway usage.

Yes the RTR badly needs a 6th Gear,also a liquid cooled set up would be a dream!!!

RTR is much more of a city bike than a highway bike.

**Mr_Many_Places** · 10-28-2015, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by prateek2210 View Post

A shot while entering the hills and some more

P.S : Most probably will make a log at diff forum, will share the link if that happens

We could only dream of going to hills as in your pic.

**prateek2210** · 10-28-2015, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by Mr_Many_Places View Post

We could only dream of going to hills as in your pic.

Just like others tease me when they go to beaches

(never been to any)
Off to video editing now, 1.5days and video is of 5gb already

**pcgamer** · 10-29-2015, 12:44 AM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by Abishek94 View Post

I don't think choice of oil plays such a huge role in life of engine. If its a well known company and has required approvals (jaso ma2 etc etc..) we can safely rule out the oil factor.
I'm staying away from the tvs synthetic oil as its W30 grade which may not suffice for long hours on the highway! I've always stuck to w40 grade for the same reason. Also, on my bike, oil change is done without fail every 2.8k-3k kms along with oil filter change.

I too was thinking that way when using AX7, but then again, if a manufacturer is recommending a particular grade and has developed their new oil in the same grade too, there's gotta be a reason right? Also, I remember reading a post on this forum a few years back which suggested that it's better to change AX7 every 2000km. Will try to look for the link to that post.

**Abishek94** · 10-29-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by pcgamer View Post

I too was thinking that way when using AX7, but then again, if a manufacturer is recommending a particular grade and has developed their new oil in the same grade too, there's gotta be a reason right? Also, I remember reading a post on this forum a few years back which suggested that it's better to change AX7 every 2000km. Will try to look for the link to that post.

Initially when the rtrs were launched, recommended grade was w40.. And even the manual says w40.
Over the years they started selling w30 oil as tvs oil and hence recommended grade was changed to w30 without any change in the engine internals. If anything, w30 oil would provide lesser protection during prolonged engine operation in comparison with a thicker w40 oil.

**Mr_Many_Places** · 10-29-2015, 05:45 PM

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Yes
I have experienced this too with the tvs oil. After day of highway ride the engine really smells hot. The gearshifts become rock hard but due to the lesser viscosity of this oil there is a noticeable improvement in the mileage. Around 45 cruising around 85 but at the cost of the engine life . With shell the engine runs a bit cooler & make less noise over a day of highway ride & w40 oil protects the engine better than tvs oil as well. Mileage though is around 40. But i am very much happy getting 40kmpl from a 17 bhp engine & cruising at 80. Better than using tvs oil & ruining your engine life.

**EnigmAnurag** · 10-29-2015, 07:31 PM

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Hello Apache-ians,, does anyone have internal photos of rtr combustion chamber.. The squish area etc ? I want to know about the internal shape and depth of that area. Since a few of you have done the bore piston change, so can anyone provide these pics ? [MENTION=13887]prateek2210[/MENTION] , [MENTION=6155]abhishek[/MENTION]94 , @anyone has those pics ?

**Abishek94** · 10-29-2015, 08:04 PM

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Just removed the engine guard from my bike and I'm sort of liking the new look. It will be off for a while now :P

Edit: Not exactly engine guard, but the belly pan below the engine.

**prateek2210** · 10-30-2015, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by EnigmAnurag View Post

Hello Apache-ians,, does anyone have internal photos of rtr combustion chamber.. The squish area etc ? I want to know about the internal shape and depth of that area. Since a few of you have done the bore piston change, so can anyone provide these pics ? @prateek2210 , @abhishek94 , @anyone has those pics ?

As the work was done when I was not present, so have no pics. But let me try to find through other friends.

Originally posted by Abishek94 View Post

Just removed the engine guard from my bike and I'm sort of liking the new look. It will be off for a while now :P

Edit: Not exactly engine guard, but the belly pan below the engine.

Mine went off after spiti trip (2011) and its been off since then, the only negative is pebbles and stones hitting the exhaust pipe. Positive, one less place to clean

**Abishek94** · 10-30-2015, 07:22 PM

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My RTR180 undergoing a white wash along with a friends D390 :P

**prateek2210** · 10-31-2015, 01:02 AM

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We three friends went on a weekend trip to the hills just to take a break from our monotonous city life. Video shows you all what all we did.

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