Splendor pro has excellent handling,good low end torque for city traffic, lights,power,build and overall quality is also great.
Nothing can beat a good test ride so first go and get a test ride,I am sure it will answer all your queries related to saddle height.
Rest assured,you can go for any of the listed bikes with closed eyes if you have checked the saddle height in-person.

Sibun should be able to answer other queries related to Xpro. As I did not get a chance to ride a Xpro,I don't want to comment on it.

re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Agree, I'm here to learn

Aah..I'm only in planning stage, but the aim is to bore with rtr 160's piston and get a vm28 carb. Or just the carb and get the maximum out from my 153cc engine
Gonna get it done from local mechs(if I'm doing it)



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There's much more than just over-boring and using other bike's piston.
Some other parameters are to be considered such as

1.Is there enough material around the sleeve for you to bore out an extra 4mm ?
2.Piston pin/gudgeon pin diameter and small-end connecting rod diameter.
3.Change in compression ratio
4.Piston top/crown shape.
5.Clearance between the piston and valves.
6.Changes to the stock fueling system to account for more CC.
7. Sprocketing will be needed as power delivery will change.

If you can take care of the above mentioned things along with figuring out things as and when needed to make this mod a success then go ahead.Otherwise opt for Joel's or other tried and tested big bore kits.

Engine modification isn't that easy,it takes a lot of time,effort,creativity and full knowledge about the engine's working and courage to face the worst case scenario.If you think you have all those then go ahead,best of luck.

Short gear means the rpm compared to speed is more. Or in layman words if an engine revs more as to speed then it is short geared. Shine is shorter geared than even splendor. How else will you explain an engine putting out almost 11 bhp of power has only 5 kph top speed more than splendor. Most of the bikes coming now are short geared for making is city friendly. Sadly the days are gone when four strokes are built for easy cruising. Even my extreme is short geared. If it would have sixth gear then the gear ratio would have been perfect. I am thinking of plonking 42 teeth rear sprocket in my extreme.
Regarding splendor then it is not short geared. The 1st and 2nd gear are short geared for better pulling. But the third gear and fourth gear are sufficiently tall. For your information splendor can pull from 20 to 70 in third gear and 25 to 95 in 4th gear. So the gear ratios are perfect. Its just that the first and second gear are short.
Ten years is too much for tyres. Both will be very hard and thus will be fish-tailing. Change both the tyres for safety.

No, there are not always same number of gears on main shaft and counter shaft The main shaft has three gears and counter shaft four gears. The first and secong counter shaft gears mesh with same gear on main shaft. That is the reason why most bike if gear problem comes then first in second gear problem arises as it is the first to wear out.
Every bike has one gear short on main shaft than counter shaft as first and second gear always share same main shaft gear.
So for 5 gear bikes, main shaft has 4 gears and for six gear bikes main shaft has 5 gears.

Shine has very high vibrations at above 60 kph which makes it feel like pulling to one side.
For 5'4" passion will be very big. Do not look at saddle height take into consideration the full size of bike. Passion is bigger than shine in size.
Even i would not recommend splendor pro as you are downgrading from 125 cc so you will not feel comfortable.
I would recommend super splendor, because:-
1. The completely loaded splendor pro comes here for 54k and super splendor(completely loaded and no options) for 59k.So hardly 4k difference.
2. Super splendor is smooth as butter. Even at 80 kph it has no vibrations and the engine feels as if it has no load. Pay attention to any supersplendor on road at high speed and the engine note will be relaxed.
3. The torque is at 10.35 Nm@ only 4000 rpm, so it will have excellent roll-on times and pull like locomotive.
4. Engine and alloys are black in color, so looks more up-market.
I will update more tommorow.

[QUOTE]What do you mean by not always the same ?
I am missing something,For reference here is a picture of the transmission.
Ok,I understood that some bikes share a single gear for two gear shifts like cbz,unicorn etc but what confuses me is this one.
Am I getting confused due to the non-primary kick start circuit ?
Sorry for my negligence and please don't get offended,had it been somebody else I would not have dared to ask but as you are there I am asking freely.

re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Thank you so much for the pointers. Yes, the sleeve is safe to bore up to 66mm so no worries
Also gonna use vm28 round slide carbs.

Still searching for answers on rest of the pointers.



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[QUOTE=shoeb2015;905774]Nothing, to feel offended as i had told you in PM, if you want to know about something, i am always ready to help you.
Yes, you are right there are four gears on main shaft, but you forgot something, it is the idler gear. As you know, main shaft always rotates with clutch, so when the transmission is in neutral, then the main shaft freely rotates. This high spinning main shaft causes vibration in bikes. So an idler gear is provided which rotates when the transmission is in neutral for damping the vibration the idler gear rotates. When gear is engaged the idler gear dis-engages and moves freely on main shaft. This is where engineering ides comes. Common sense is to provide three gears, if three gears are used, but in order to balance the weight and rotating force, idler gear is used.
Even in cars idler gear is used.
Also to maintain the spacing of gears with respect to counter shaft gears, idler gear is used, otherwise the gears on counter shaft and main shaft cannot be properly spaced and thus problems will arise when gear dog shift the gear.

Please post your detailed approach, then we can help you on how to go and what are the problems you will face.

I will post the detailed gear ratios and also S for sunny query as to why super splendor will be better for him.

Thank you sibun for your quick reply!
I like the way you have explained. I might be wrong but personally I did not like the look of Super Splendor.
Now, IMO, even though bike dimensions are more of passion xpro as compared to Shine, but as one can touch the ground with feet easily so I think xpro handling would be better.
Now seriously I need your expert opinion on above my opinions!

[QUOTE=sibun;905834]Ok,I understood fully now . Is it technically called "idler gear" or "balancer gear"?

The other thing-
I think the the kick starter gear is also used to splash oil and lubricate the other gears as the kick starter's gear always spins and is located near the bottom of the crankcase and is continuously bathed in oil. What do you say ?

Please see to the above and provide suggestions.

Splendor Pro or Passion xPro

So friends,
Which bike should I choose? Splendor Pro or Passion Xpro considering my requirement?

gear ratios of pre 2000 bikes, y2k bikes and pro series bikes.

Ok,I understood fully now . Is it technically called "idler gear" or "balancer gear"?

The other thing-
I think the the kick starter gear is also used to splash oil and lubricate the other gears as the kick starter's gear always spins and is located near the bottom of the crankcase and is continuously bathed in oil. What do you say ?[/QUOTE]
Balancer gear is different from idler gear as balancer gear rotates in opposite direction of crank and balances out the vibes by crank.
Idler gear is always in transmission.
Idler gear are of two types:-
1. On main shaft - This is the type which is engaged during neutral and disengages during gear use. It is used to absorb transmission vibes during neutral and also to space gears properly.
2. Between main shaft and counter shaft-Used in cars. In this it is engaged during two times.One during neutral to absorb vibes and second when reverse is selected, it acts between main shaft and counter shaft and reverses the direction of counter shaft rotation.
Go for passion Xpro. It will be best. Go for disc model and please post ownership and buying experience along with photos. It has been a long time no body has posted new bikes in splendor thread.
Also please update the thread as most after getting reply never update with new bikes pictures.

So yours is first model splendor+, Nice and well maintained. You have changed to CD 100 gear shift.

For others member benefit i am posting gear ratios of various model hero bikes(100 CC);
PRE 2000 MODEL CD 100,CD 100 SS, SPLENDOR, SLEEK:-
Y2k models like splendor, splendor+,passion,passion+, joy, CD dawn, CD deluxe(first model):-
NEW MODELS LIKE CD DELUXE(N),CD DAWN(N), SPLENDOR PRO, PASSION PRO:-
Now this is the complete gear ratios of the 100 cc bikes from hero.

Regarding carb tuning i will post it after some time as i am busy in some other work at present.

Thanks for the lovely piece of Information.

I have the habit of doing clutch-less up-shifts and toe shiftier gives a very good "feel" of the gears hence the reason for using CD gear shiftier.I can also judge the condition of the engine oil and engine temperature by knowing when the gearshifts become relatively hard again,only a toe shiftier can give that feel.
Anyway no one can understand that better than you given the amount of riding experience you have with your joy.

Is the GPT/Clutch Ring gear (Primary ratio) ratio same across all the models ie. (Pre & post Y2K) 18/67 ?

The other query about oil pump -Why is the oil pump not supposed to be opened during a major overhaul ?

EDIT: Check this out http://www.gearingcommander.com/

Hmm....thanks
That is what i was looking for.
Well, what about the number of gears in GPT & clutch gear?