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**Pinaki** · 01-31-2017, 12:10 AM

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Originally posted by ashwanth.r View Post

I cannot see any of the pics in this post - others too have this issue?

Yes brother , Happening often that myself cannot see them either

I am posting the pics here as links from my albums on google_photo . It is working okay then for that day . Next day I am seeing some minus sign here instead of the photo . So I am editing my post and deleting the photo-link and re posting the same , again it is working for a day or so . Hopefully this gets solved soon .

**ashwanth.r** · 01-31-2017, 12:24 AM

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Originally posted by Pinaki View Post

I guess it is known as a "Air suction valve" and also made by Keihin-fie like the carb . I am not fully clear about it's functions on the Splendor . It is connected to the engine intake manifold , exhaust port on the head , clean-air side of the air-filter-box and also crankcase I think . Friends , It would be great if anyone can give me some clues how to open , clean & service it . Because I feel it is sticking or dirty in some way as to vent little bit of my precious engine-oil alongwith the crankcase gasses into the air-filter

. Please .

Pics now visible

. It is the usual PAIR system as used in every scooter/motorcycle. Could extra oil (more than what is required) in the air filter cause this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_air_injection

**Pinaki** · 01-31-2017, 12:52 AM

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Nope , I am always careful to squeeze out all excess oil from air-filter foams before fitting , so not enough oil in it to drip or blow out etc . The oil is from crankcase , I am almost sure because of the colour & smell , it's like old oil , not fresh oil . Usually it may happen when one fills too much engine oil , I never did that either . Always filled to right in between max-min marks on dipstick , check it every month , seldom needed top-up . It was however very little few drops maybe , nothing inside the carb , just those tiny droplets near the carb air intake mouth . I need to trace all the pipes and tubes around the engine and know what purpose each serves . Another thing is I am using ADDON-P with my petrol @ 1 ml per liter . Petrol I get here is E10 i.e 10% ethanol .
Wondering if the gulf 4T syth oil has tendency to aspirate through the PCV system ??
Thanks for the link , reading it now

**karteek** · 01-31-2017, 01:11 AM

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Originally posted by Pinaki View Post

ADDON-P with my petrol @ 1 ml per liter .

Pinaki-ji I thought additives are only for cars all these days. Never had a clue that there is one for bikes < 125 CC too. Thanks for the information. Using these additives, don't they have any negative impact on the engine. Please educate.

Also does bike manufacturers recommend them ? Thanks.

**ashwanth.r** · 01-31-2017, 03:01 AM

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Originally posted by Pinaki View Post

Thanks for the link , reading it now

Read more from CBF150 (Honda Unicorn's) Proper English Version Workshop Manual - Worth every 180 MB of download!

MANUAL DE TALLER HONDA CBF 150 UNICORN

Originally posted by karteek View Post

Pinaki-ji I thought additives are only for cars all these days. Never had a clue that there is one for bikes < 125 CC too. Thanks for the information. Using these additives, don't they have any negative impact on the engine. Please educate. Also does bike manufacturers recommend them ? Thanks.

They won't have a negative impact - in fact, regular addition will reduce the gunk in the carb and amount of carbon near the valves, etc. Some like TVS recommend adding IFTEX to petrol in Apache RTR series.

**karteek** · 01-31-2017, 11:07 AM

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Originally posted by ashwanth.r View Post

Read more from CBF150 (Honda Unicorn's) Proper English Version Workshop Manual - Worth every 180 MB of download!

MANUAL DE TALLER HONDA CBF 150 UNICORN

They won't have a negative impact - in fact, regular addition will reduce the gunk in the carb and amount of carbon near the valves, etc. Some like TVS recommend adding IFTEX to petrol in Apache RTR series.

Do you happen to have a similar manual for Honda Shine CBF 125 manual too ? If yes, could you please upload it too ?

Can I use this additive to my Honda Shine 125 CC bike too ? I bought it in 2008. I never used any additives till now and never opened carburetor / engine for any reasons. How to use it ?

a) Fill the tank with the additive and fill the tank with the petrol. Ratio : 1ml for 1 liter of petrol ?
b) Can this be added after filling the petrol ? Just pour necessary quantity after fuel filling.

Please guide me. Thanks.

**ashwanth.r** · 01-31-2017, 02:49 PM

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Originally posted by karteek View Post

Do you happen to have a similar manual for Honda Shine CBF 125 manual too ? If yes, could you please upload it too ?

Can I use this additive to my Honda Shine 125 CC bike too ? I bought it in 2008. I never used any additives till now and never opened carburetor / engine for any reasons. How to use it ?

a) Fill the tank with the additive and fill the tank with the petrol. Ratio : 1ml for 1 liter of petrol ?
b) Can this be added after filling the petrol ? Just pour necessary quantity after fuel filling.

Please guide me. Thanks.

#1 No, I don't have the Service Manual for Shine (not aware if it is available in the net), but I downloaded it for Stunner

https://www.honda.com.pe/extranet/images/archivos/documento/cbf125.pdf

It is not in English, use some online doc translating software.

#2 Additives: No need to add anything if your Shine is running well. If you choose to add - it is a bonus for your bike. When to add and how much to add will be mentioned on the package.

#3 For everyone: Also, stumbled across parts catalogue for Passion (Pro and Plus). What is a Hero Honda catalogue doing on a Honda site

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https://www.honda.com.pe/extranet/images/Archivos/Documento/Passion%20Plus.pdf

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https://www.honda.com.pe/extranet/images/Archivos/.../PASSION_PRO_KWAG.pdf

**Akkiben** · 01-31-2017, 03:24 PM

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I have the parts catalog in hard copy..

**Pinaki** · 01-31-2017, 09:22 PM

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Originally posted by karteek View Post

Can I use this additive to my Honda Shine 125 CC bike too ? I bought it in 2008..

Yes you can , there is no problems . I am using Indian-Oil's Addon-P pouches ( 5ml ) available from their petrol bunks . I add it just before filling petrol at the bunk itself . One pouch ( 5ml , Rs 9.00 ) for 300Rs of petrol , as is my usual . Addon-P is made by Total of France and extensively tested and approved . It has good effect and you can feel the difference . However you have to decide if you like or not after using . Worth a try .

The petrol we get nowadays is already having an additive in it , i.e 10% of Ethanol . Basically it's called Gasohol . Our bike's engines ( and other parts ) were not designed to run this E10 mixture . Further govt is planning to increase compulsory Ethanol adoption to E20 , i.e 20% Ethanol

**karteek** · 01-31-2017, 09:26 PM

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Originally posted by Pinaki View Post

Yes you can , there is no problems . I am using Indian-Oil's Addon-P pouches ( 5ml ) available from their petrol bunks .

Thanks Pinaki-ji for introducing me to this additive. I got it filled today. Just one pouch. Wanted to try it first. Also thanks to @ashwanth.r for his inputs too.

**s1d** · 01-31-2017, 10:52 PM

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Originally posted by Pinaki View Post

The petrol we get nowadays is already having an additive in it , i.e 10% of Ethanol . Basically it's called Gasohol . Our bike's engines ( and other parts ) were not designed to run this E10 mixture . Further govt is planning to increase compulsory Ethanol adoption to E20 , i.e 20% Ethanol

I wouldn't call the ethanol an 'additive'.. it's more of a 'blend' for a different reason. And some places have e10 while some don't.. availability is not constant due to problems in supply of ethanol (source of it being sugar factories).
My 2007 Dio owners manual states its safe to run e10 (maybe more, can't remember exactly), so at-least the honda's were designed to run on this blend. Am pretty sure other manufacturers also take this into consideration while building/tuning their engines.
And btw, am a happy user of Adon-P and Iftex system G.

**Pinaki** · 01-31-2017, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by s1d View Post

.. My 2007 Dio owners manual states its safe to run e10 ..

I feel that problem with ethanol is that it's hygroscopic & becomes corrosive in combination with water - particularly on plastic & rubber . This may not manifest as significant problem if testing is done in arid climates of western nations . But what about moist climate of India ? What about droplets of water we get in our fuel all the time ? I don't know for sure if our Govt has done it's own testing here in Indian laboratories or basing it's decisions on readily available western data .
Also the CD/Splendor engine was designed before 1970s . It has had few modifications mainly in the carburetor and exhaust for emission compliance . But main engine is same as origin . I don't know whether such old design from times when nobody heard of ethanol-blended fuels can withstand it . I am getting only E10 in kolkata , without options, which has no mention in my manual . Fingers crossed

**s1d** · 02-01-2017, 12:17 AM

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Originally posted by Pinaki View Post

I feel that problem with ethanol is that it's hygroscopic & becomes corrosive in combination with water - particularly on plastic & rubber . This may not manifest as significant problem if testing is done in arid climates of western nations . But what about moist climate of India ? What about droplets of water we get in our fuel all the time ? I don't know for sure if our Govt has done it's own testing here in Indian laboratories or basing it's decisions on readily available western data .
Also the CD/Splendor engine was designed before 1970s . It has had few modifications mainly in the carburetor and exhaust for emission compliance . But main engine is same as origin . I don't know whether such old design from times when nobody heard of ethanol-blended fuels can withstand it . I am getting only E10 in kolkata , without options, which has no mention in my manual . Fingers crossed

yes, there is a possibility of phase separation and causing problems. but am sure honda and other manufacturer's take that in to account while improving their engines over time to meet different standards (BSII BSIII etc..). there are plenty of splendors and other vehicles using the same fuels as us and running without issues for a good number of km. Forget ethanol blended fuel.. even our regular fuel at times might be contaminated with water and what not

Just add an inline fuel filter that you get for 10-20 bucks and that will filter the rust (if any) from the tank.

**jeswin** · 02-09-2017, 09:26 AM

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Originally posted by jishnu ramakrishnan View Post

Cleaned and refitted Carburetor also. It was rustful due to tank rust. Will replace throttle cable soon. I also suffers jeswin Brothers issue.

Carb tuning done. I had cold start issues and now it solved. Tuning is a bit above the 1.5 turns of afr.

I need a method to detect air leak in intake manifold and via air screw. If anybody have ideas please share.

Tried Castrol power 1 15w 40 on my bike. I will post the 1000 km oil review soon.[/QUOTE]

Which issue mate?

@all, bike has done 50,000 kms and still going strong.

**jishnu ramakrishnan** · 02-09-2017, 09:45 AM

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Originally posted by jeswin View Post

Carb tuning done. I had cold start issues and now it solved. Tuning is a bit above the 1.5 turns of afr.

I need a method to detect air leak in intake manifold and via air screw. If anybody have ideas please share.

Tried Castrol power 1 15w 40 on my bike. I will post the 1000 km oil review soon.

Which issue mate?

.[/QUOTE]
It was the idling problem. My accelerator cable is also rusty.

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