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**isodope** · 11-28-2011, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by killer_instinct View Post

I ride both.. so to give you another view, the Ninja provides a Riding Position which lies between an R15 and a Karizma. Since you've been riding the R15, you would find the Ninja more comfortable on long rides.

If you're a tall person you'll find the Ninja much more comfortable simply because it doesn't fold your leg at the knees as much. Plus the distance from the handlebar to the hip point is greater, so you won't get that 'cramped' feeling of the R15. The Ninja's seat is quite a bit harder than the R15 V1.0's - that is something that you might want to take into account.
It's a bigger, heavier motorcycle so it isn't as flickable as the R15 but yes, it's a natural progression from the small one to the other.

I find the Ninja more comfortable simply because when I move around on the bike my wrist doesn't touch my knee like it does with the R15 :P

**Sarvajit** · 11-28-2011, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by Prakritij View Post

guys, just a query and sorry to butt in. Many people here have experience on both the N250R and R15, even some own(ed) both. Please tell me, is there any difference in the Riding positions of both the Bikes.
I personally Ride a R15 and thinking of getting a N250R(or something equivalent) after 3-4yrs. with a low income-high inflation, I need to plan accordingly from now

My concern is because I feel tired due to the cramped posture of R15 during long rides(>200kms) so I want a Bike with a more relaxed position.

RIDE SAFE

Originally posted by Prakritij View Post

I did 350kms+ on two instances on my R15 and came back tired and fatigued. many has even Leh'ed the R15 without probs but all are not same.
strongly considering the N250R as my next Bike. but before investing that much amount, I want to make sure I don't get tired or fatigued after long Rides as I do now. The Bike being the best 250 can take any beating that I know but I can't

long Rides happens once in a few months but still.....

RIDE SAFE

Ninja/CBR's riding postures are more touring oriented than R15. They will certainly be much more comfortable as they are bigger, more powerful and heavier too. Though R15 has a softer seat than both of them, in touring the other two will win due to virtues mentioned above.
They are different bikes, with R15 (V1) having aggressive race oriented dynamics&chassis setup. It is lighter&more flickable too.
Most of it has been explained by others. What I can say is: R15 is like a 100metres dash race champion, while CBR/Ninja are 400metres relay race winners!

Since you are not planning immediately, you will have enough of affordable choices at price point between Ninja&CBR by that time.

**firen** · 11-28-2011, 07:32 PM

I Did my 2nd Service yesterday, and found nothing needs to be replaced except oil. The rear brake are as good as stock and the front one can go for another 6k.. ofcourse it depends on usage.
I rely more on engine braking while riding and hardly use the rear brake except in emergencies. The front brakes pack quite a punch.

The total bill came to INR 1258.

Originally posted by harsha645 View Post

hai guys,

today morning at 7a.m i finished bunburner2500k which includes SS1600k on ma baby ninja.no major issues for the bike except one which i would like to share with you guys

Congratz Dude! thats quite a feat you had done! What was your average speed?

Originally posted by hellbreaker46 View Post

It's mineral oil, 20w50, 2 litres for 600 along with that you get a discount coupon of rs50 for each litre (bottle) so rs250 for each can.

Originally posted by koolscorp View Post

Sorry that i didnt mutiquote the message. however if i m not wrong 3100 gold is not a mineral oil.its semi synthetic. correct me if i m wrong.

You are not wrong it is indeed Technosynthese oil(Motul's term for Semi Synthetic). The difference between this and 5100 apart from the price and the viscosity is that this does not have any ester and is manufactured in india.
Personally I would recommend this oil over the 5100, Sicne i have used both and found this cheaper one much much smoother.

Looks Like Vibhor has finally stepped out of the dark ages of mineral oils

Originally posted by n_aditya View Post

Also it is extremely harmful for the engine to ride without a muffler. The loss of back pressure due to absence of an exhaust will cause severe damage to the valves and other engine internals. Even when one upgrades to an aftermarket pipe there is reduction in back pressure but this is not much. Riding like this can cause extensive damage and you will be presented with a huge repair bill.

See my post above. In the quest for eyeballs and attention from girls you will end up paying a bomb for repair bills.

+1

Originally posted by kiran_borra View Post

Hey guys it has been 6500kms and 6 months for my Baby Ninja..
Recently after 2nd service, my bike's front braking has lost its "BITE" The brakes feel like Drum Brakes now :O

Also, my rear disc pads had to be changed at second service... There was around 2mm left in the pads but my rear disc had scratches along the disc on both the sides

If the wear on the pads are fine, Check if the disk on the rear side has uneven grooves, If so they could actually result in digging into the diskpads resulting in the residual powder.

**rajivenky** · 11-28-2011, 08:23 PM

Stuck gas cap

The gas cap on my Kawasaki ninja 250r is stuck and refuses to open. They key will not turn fully and iv'e bent the spare key trying to open it. I noticed the last few times I have opened the gas cap it was increasingly harder to open each time, and this time it wont even budge! Tried Google and the Kawasaki forums,no luck.Iv'e tried tapping it with a rubber mallet. Iv'e tried WD-40. Iv'e tried pushing on the cap! It seems like the problem is the key wont turn to pull back the latch on the inside of the cap.Pls share and throw some insight if you have a similar problem.

**Prakritij** · 11-28-2011, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by killer_instinct View Post

I ride both.. so to give you another view, the Ninja provides a Riding Position which lies between an R15 and a Karizma. Since you've been riding the R15, you would find the Ninja more comfortable on long rides.

Thats Good news for me

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

+1000000.
I too felt the riding posture to be similar to the ZMA when I sat on the 250r.
Totally relaxed and there's no forced crouching at all like we'd have to do on the R15.

Yeah R15's is forced crouching

Originally posted by isodope View Post

If you're a tall person you'll find the Ninja much more comfortable simply because it doesn't fold your leg at the knees as much. Plus the distance from the handlebar to the hip point is greater, so you won't get that 'cramped' feeling of the R15. The Ninja's seat is quite a bit harder than the R15 V1.0's - that is something that you might want to take into account.
It's a bigger, heavier motorcycle so it isn't as flickable as the R15 but yes, it's a natural progression from the small one to the other.

I find the Ninja more comfortable simply because when I move around on the bike my wrist doesn't touch my knee like it does with the R15 :P

I am 5.6feet and 52kg in weight. Hope I can handle all the 170Kgs in traffic and slow riding conditions

Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post

Ninja/CBR's riding postures are more touring oriented than R15. They will certainly be much more comfortable as they are bigger, more powerful and heavier too. Though R15 has a softer seat than both of them, in touring the other two will win due to virtues mentioned above.
They are different bikes, with R15 (V1) having aggressive race oriented dynamics&chassis setup. It is lighter&more flickable too.
Most of it has been explained by others. What I can say is: R15 is like a 100metres dash race champion, while CBR/Ninja are 400metres relay race winners!

Since you are not planning immediately, you will have enough of affordable choices at price point between Ninja&CBR by that time.

you are Right. I am not Planning immediately but gotta start Planning now itself due to financial reasons(inflation, price rise and low salary

).
By the Time I actually buy one, there will be plenty of choices. But with a reliable and proven History of more than two decades, N250R cannot be beaten that easily by any other in that cc-power-price-reliability-ridability range.
Waiting for the next N250R update to come whose time is almost due(with digi console, etc., Engine and Chassis are best as of now but will like it if something in the lines of Deltabox comes out

)

just my opinion with my limited knowledge.

RIDE SAFE

**ak916** · 11-28-2011, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by rajivenky View Post

The gas cap on my Kawasaki ninja 250r is stuck and refuses to open. They key will not turn fully and iv'e bent the spare key trying to open it. I noticed the last few times I have opened the gas cap it was increasingly harder to open each time, and this time it wont even budge! Tried Google and the Kawasaki forums,no luck.Iv'e tried tapping it with a rubber mallet. Iv'e tried WD-40. Iv'e tried pushing on the cap! It seems like the problem is the key wont turn to pull back the latch on the inside of the cap.Pls share and throw some insight if you have a similar problem.

try pushing the cap firmly along the edges.. apply as much energy as you can with only your fingers.. keep one hand firmly pressed down on the cap and try turning the key now.

I hope the key isnt stuck with the cap.

**harsha645** · 11-28-2011, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by kiran_borra View Post

Well that's the very reason, why you will be certified by the IRON BUTT Association soon

Originally posted by n_aditya View Post

Hey no problem. You know best cos you were in the situation.

Apologies if i sounded rude.

no offence taken aditya!!cheers!!!!

Originally posted by firen View Post

I Did my 2nd Service yesterday, and found nothing needs to be replaced except oil. The rear brake are as good as stock and the front one can go for another 6k.. ofcourse it depends on usage.
I rely more on engine braking while riding and hardly use the rear brake except in emergencies. The front brakes pack quite a punch.

The total bill came to INR 1258.

how much did they charge you in the name of labour charge???
if you dont mind can i know the split bill??

Originally posted by firen View Post

Congratz Dude! thats quite a feat you had done! What was your average speed?

thanks a lot buddy

average speed was 72kmph(including all the breaks we took and some time loss because of few niggles we faced),considering the riding time alone it was somewhere around 100kmph!!

**Balaboy** · 11-28-2011, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by koolscorp View Post

welcome to the club buddy. yes running in is a real pain. finish it fast to enjoy the machine.
Follow the manual for initial period however can open her a bit not for very long streches though. Plz ride with proper gears all the time. Ride sfe and take good care of her and she will also do the same for u.

Thanks. I went for an oil change. I know its fine till 600 kms for the first oil change but read in many places that the metal shavings may come of in the first 100Kms. Targetting on finishing the first 1000 Kms by this saturday and give it for servicing. After that i want to switch to synthetic oil. Any thoughts?

**Balaboy** · 11-28-2011, 10:44 PM

[QUOTE=Kiran bhor;738197]

Originally posted by Balaboy View Post

Hello all,

I have been visiting this forum for a few months now and deliberately did not register cuz, i wanted to do so only when I have a ninja.

Congrats on your New bike mate and you are so lucky to get it in a day

Thanks. I gues i am very lucky to even be able to buy this bike and to get it in a day is a whole lot better.

**Sunnyside_up!** · 11-29-2011, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by rajivenky View Post

The gas cap on my Kawasaki ninja 250r is stuck and refuses to open. They key will not turn fully and iv'e bent the spare key trying to open it. I noticed the last few times I have opened the gas cap it was increasingly harder to open each time, and this time it wont even budge! Tried Google and the Kawasaki forums,no luck.Iv'e tried tapping it with a rubber mallet. Iv'e tried WD-40. Iv'e tried pushing on the cap! It seems like the problem is the key wont turn to pull back the latch on the inside of the cap.Pls share and throw some insight if you have a similar problem.

Rajiv,

the problem IS the bent key! You may not have noticed it but the key may have been a little bent and with every time you used it, it got bent a little further until it gets stuck.......speaking from experience - had a similar problem with my 650's ignition!

Jeeva simply tapped it back into shape and voila!

**vkuchhal** · 11-29-2011, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by firen View Post

I Did my 2nd Service yesterday, and found nothing needs to be replaced except oil. The rear brake are as good as stock and the front one can go for another 6k.. ofcourse it depends on usage.
I rely more on engine braking while riding and hardly use the rear brake except in emergencies. The front brakes pack quite a punch.

The total bill came to INR 1258.

Congrats on those mile munched.. The second service actually do not require much of labor work or any kinds of replacements... wait for the 3rd one for a major bill ..

You are not wrong it is indeed Technosynthese oil(Motul's term for Semi Synthetic). The difference between this and 5100 apart from the price and the viscosity is that this does not have any ester and is manufactured in india.
Personally I would recommend this oil over the 5100, Sicne i have used both and found this cheaper one much much smoother.

Looks Like Vibhor has finally stepped out of the dark ages of mineral oils

It is after-all not that bad to use mineral for a long time.. Since the engine was sounding a bit more rough planned to switch to semi synth...

Originally posted by Balaboy View Post

Thanks. I went for an oil change. I know its fine till 600 kms for the first oil change but read in many places that the metal shavings may come of in the first 100Kms. Targetting on finishing the first 1000 Kms by this saturday and give it for servicing. After that i want to switch to synthetic oil. Any thoughts?

Instead of going for fully synthetic .. try Motul 3100 gold 20W50 or Motul 5100. (which are both semi synthetic)

**Yasser** · 11-29-2011, 01:32 AM

Need advice on paint.

I had left my bike in a building parking and when I returned, to my horror, I saw water dripping on it from a drain. This wasn't plain water, it was draining from a washing machine and so the paint on the tank got damaged, perhaps due to the detergent. Since there is slight fading at places the droplets splashed, will rubbing - polishing help in getting the gloss back, or do I have to try something else? Please advise.

**Balaboy** · 11-29-2011, 01:57 AM

Thanks. Will try that.

**n_aditya** · 11-29-2011, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Yasser View Post

I had left my bike in a building parking and when I returned, to my horror, I saw water dripping on it from a drain. This wasn't plain water, it was draining from a washing machine and so the paint on the tank got damaged, perhaps due to the detergent. Since there is slight fading at places the droplets splashed, will rubbing - polishing help in getting the gloss back, or do I have to try something else? Please advise.

Wash the bike with a mild shampoo and wax the bike. I dont think any rubbing compound would help since that would damage the paint further. Wax polish should lighten the damage to some extent. Take it to a painting expert and get his advice too.

**Sarvajit** · 11-29-2011, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Yasser View Post

I had left my bike in a building parking and when I returned, to my horror, I saw water dripping on it from a drain. This wasn't plain water, it was draining from a washing machine and so the paint on the tank got damaged, perhaps due to the detergent. Since there is slight fading at places the droplets splashed, will rubbing - polishing help in getting the gloss back, or do I have to try something else? Please advise.

Bring it to me, I have some soft 3M rubbing compound&polish. We removed many black scratch marks on my friend's white Figo with it. As good as new.

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