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**Divya Sharan** · 08-30-2013, 05:18 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by snehithpereira View Post

Yeah bolts would have to be metal. Something struck me now. Rather than using conventional nut and bolt, use revets. Rivets provide better support and much lower damage to the inner lining of the hole

True, let me search for apt rivets for the experiment.

**vishnurajanme** · 08-30-2013, 07:43 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Hi guys,

My friend is getting a 2013 version thunderbird 350 today. He ditched his karizma to get the TB. (Poor old karizma was half dead after an accident). My question is, which bike will pull more hard? TB or ZMR? Because, I read, 350 is having massive torque, but pulls like a boat. Is it true?

**Divya Sharan** · 08-30-2013, 08:06 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by vishnurajanme View Post

Hi guys,

My friend is getting a 2013 version thunderbird 350 today. He ditched his karizma to get the TB. (Poor old karizma was half dead after an accident). My question is, which bike will pull more hard? TB or ZMR? Because, I read, 350 is having massive torque, but pulls like a boat. Is it true?

TB 350 has 19 odd horses IIRC. Then it has 40+ Nm of torque. ZMR would be dusted until 70 if TB is ridden properly.

**rreneav1987** · 08-30-2013, 09:25 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

TB 350 has 19 odd horses IIRC. Then it has 40+ Nm of torque. ZMR would be dusted until 70 if TB is ridden properly.

What is the weight of TB?? what about power to weight ratio??

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**rreneav1987** · 08-30-2013, 09:54 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

http://fbcdn-video-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-prn2/v/1232001_188685334643917_1031521954_n.mp4?oh=4592a1f8857b1434e773437ada2ca519&oe=52228B4B&__gda__=1378047532_270f1868b5befa9fc6d7afd8d1844f64

Bike thieves on the loose..

Never thought it would be so easy to break a side lock.. is it true guys?

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**Divya Sharan** · 08-31-2013, 12:30 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

http://fbcdn-video-a.akamaihd.net/hv...d7afd8d1844f64

Bike thieves on the loose..

Never thought it would be so easy to break a side lock.. is it true guys?

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Pulsars have flimsy locks. Our bikes have more sturdy ones, but yes; any bike can be stolen, even SBKs.

Regarding RE TBTS, it weights 180 kg with fuel.

**vishnurajanme** · 08-31-2013, 01:13 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

TB 350 has 19 odd horses IIRC. Then it has 40+ Nm of torque. ZMR would be dusted until 70 if TB is ridden properly.

LOL, misconcept bro. Thunderbird has got a much lower power to weight ratio than the ZMR. Also, it is having an engine that does not like high revvs at all. You go more than 110kmph, the bike will disassemble itself. So TB will bite dust till 70, afterwards too.

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Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

TB 350 has 19 odd horses IIRC. Then it has 40+ Nm of torque. ZMR would be dusted until 70 if TB is ridden properly.

LOL, misconcept bro. Thunderbird has got a much lower power to weight ratio than the ZMR. Also, it is having an engine that does not like high revvs at all. You go more than 110kmph, the bike will disassemble itself. So TB will bite dust till 70, afterwards too.

**Divya Sharan** · 08-31-2013, 01:41 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by vishnurajanme View Post

LOL, misconcept bro. Thunderbird has got a much lower power to weight ratio than the ZMR. Also, it is having an engine that does not like high revvs at all. You go more than 110kmph, the bike will disassemble itself. So TB will bite dust till 70, afterwards too.

Not much different.

ZMR - 110 ps/ton
TBTS - 108 ps/ton.

But I feel torque figures would give the TB an advantage. I rode it once and I felt it had an awesome pull.

**valkyrieX7** · 08-31-2013, 01:47 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

TB 350 has 19 odd horses IIRC. Then it has 40+ Nm of torque. ZMR would be dusted until 70 if TB is ridden properly.

Would like to correct u here bro.

TB 350 has 19.8 bhp and 28 Nm of torque...
That 40+ Nm of torque is for TB 500.

And one can not simply defeat a ZMR with TB350....

TB350 maxes it's tolerable speed at around 80kmph.. anything above that is highway to hell, both for the rider and the ride.. huge amount of vibrations and engine sound will make you restless as if its gonna blow.... I remember.... that's horrible......

I have defeated my friend on his TB500 with my CBR250R multiple times on some rides...

But then TB is not a racing bike... it has its own purpose..... I told you this because you said it can defeat the ZMR.

It can not.

-Valkyrie

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**Bibhudatta** · 08-31-2013, 01:50 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Not much different.

ZMR - 110 ps/ton
TBTS - 108 ps/ton.

But I feel torque figures would give the TB an advantage. I rode it once and I felt it had an awesome pull.

you might just be right.. I was once riding with one guy with a 350 cc bullet..they guy must weigh around 100 kilos & was with a pillion.. he is a die hard bullet fan & was kinda shocked as to why I spent so much on an R15. Thought i would show him why.. LOL, but only to realise after 5 mins that I wasnt even smelling his smoke in each short bursts

he was so good with his bullet & it still was pulling so fast with a pillion.. ! its the rider that matters guys.. not just what you have between your legs..

**Divya Sharan** · 08-31-2013, 08:14 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by valkyrieX7 View Post

Would like to correct u here bro.

TB 350 has 19.8 bhp and 28 Nm of torque...
That 40+ Nm of torque is for TB 500.

And one can not simply defeat a ZMR with TB350....

But then TB is not a racing bike... it has its own purpose..... I told you this because you said it can defeat the ZMR.

It can not.

Quite possible bro, but I guess you didn't read my entire post in excitement.
BTW, thanks for correcting me. TBTS 350 indeed has 28 Nm of torque. Sorry for providing wrong info fellas.

Now, keeping the winning aspect aside (all know who would win towards the top end); keeping similar riders on both (in weight and skill), I still feel TBTS would lead till 60-70.
I might be wrong though, but my personal experience says otherwise.

**rreneav1987** · 08-31-2013, 08:32 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Quite possible bro, but I guess you didn't read my entire post in excitement.
BTW, thanks for correcting me. TBTS 350 indeed has 28 Nm of torque. Sorry for providing wrong info fellas.

Now, keeping the winning aspect aside (all know who would win towards the top end); keeping similar riders on both (in weight and skill), I still feel TBTS would lead till 60-70.
I might be wrong though, but my personal experience says otherwise.

My personal experience on my zmr with the classic 350 and a classic 500.. beaten the hell out of 350 every single time.. my bike goes past by the time he hits second gear.. even with a better rider than me behind the seats of classic 350..

We exchanged the rides.. i was riding the classic 350 and my friend riding zmr and he was way ahead of me.. i was amazed at the pick up of my black pearl when he was riding her..

and there comes the 500.. the bike is gud for riding at 100s all day long but just isnt a bike that can be used for racing.. it is sluggish and i have kept up with the 500 and infact took over after some 50 odd kmph speed amd stayed in front.. but here i dont know how good the rider was but for sure he was trying to beat me.. shame on him he couldn't

Haven't had a chance to ride a TB but all i know is every bike i see was a screwed up piece of crap.. making those horrible noises as if the parts are gonna fall apart with all that oil coming out of the head and the engine..

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**Divya Sharan** · 08-31-2013, 08:38 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Hmm, so I guess Vishnu has his answer. ZMR seems to be faster bro.

**sibun** · 08-31-2013, 10:25 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Very interesting discussion is going between bullet and ZMR.

A ZMR is faster than bullet but that is not the main point. The difference between ZMR and bullet is like petrol and diesel cars. The 350 puts out 28 Nm @ 3500 rpm and the 500 puts out 41.35 Nm @ 3800 rpm. So these bikes are practically diesel cars among bikes.

So in theory they must be faster than ZMR, but practically it is different. The ZMR builds revs faster, is more aerodynamic and is more smoother which lets the rider wring more out of it. Moreover the bullet has a huge piston travel and also the piston is one big lump of metal which increases the reciprocating mass.

But does that make the bullet bad. The answer is no. With two up just ride both up a steep hill. The bullet will move up like it is eating a chocolate but the ZMR will need to be revved.

Heck, the 500 makes so much torque that if your car is stuck in mud then it will just pull it out without breaking a sweat.

**neil9381** · 08-31-2013, 10:32 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Royal Enfileds and ZMR are two very different bikes... its not right to compare them, personal opinion i would enjoy the ride with a TB350 or 500 who wants to race and prove who's slow??...

[MENTION=27501]rreneav1987[/MENTION] on my victor it was just a small rod of metal tht prevents the movement of the handle one blow to it and the bike is yours...

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