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Yes, radiator. Though even HMC website says ZMR is oil cooled, the truth is ZMR ia air cooled and the oil is circulated across the radiator to cool down which is then sent back to the engine.

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Yup I agree. Discussing RE here is lame!!
And even I have that doubt. If zmr is air cooled, then why the radiator? Its cause of that only we call it oil cooled rite? Oil gets cooled in the radiator and hence the name!! That's how I made the connection. Lol!! If its not, then how do oil cooled engines work??

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Man, how did the busa feel riding. It is not a superbike but a hyperbike. I got a chance to ride once as one of my friends had one, but at that time i was quite young and thus was afraid. Later that friend returned back to his place i.e Bangalore and i missed the chance. I still regret to this day on it. There are lots and lots of super-bikes and then there is hayabusa.Although it is not a looker and huge, but there is something in it which attracts me towards it. It is one of the few hyper bikes which is also comfortable.

So i would like to hear from you how it felt from suddenly upgrading from ZMR. One day i will get one but that day is quite far away.


And enough on bullet v/s ZMR, no bike is perfect but it is the rider which makes it perfect. I am thinking of getting a ZMR but backing off since extreme has run only 18k and selling it is a foolish thing in economic sense.Moreover waiting for the new 250 from hero.

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I don't agree with your point mate..

1st of all.. no one asked RE to change the gear and brake sides.. it was their own wish and that doesn't come under improvement or technology improvement by just changing the side of the gearshifts and brake pedals

now coming to ZMR... well.. what other way to bring down the expenses man?? ZMR has one of the best technologies in the Indian bike industry..

regarding the open chain.. ask your friend to remove the chain guard if he doesn't like it.. I rather have the chain guard closed than keep it open.. now coming to the O-ring chains.. why is it needed for a closed chain system?? I mean it doesn't make sense and guess what.. I am not sure if you are aware of it.. the Karizma/ZMR have one of the best chain sprocket in India keeping in mind people haven't changed their sprocket kit even after 30000.. I in other hand had to change it at 22000 due to the rear sprocket which wore out faster than the front.. Oh Yeah.. I forgot.. I was using the Bajaj pulsar 220's rear sprocket which didn't even last for 11000kms and the front sprocket still had life for another 2000+kms.. I changed the complete set as I wanted them to wear out equally..

When I was going to get the P220's O-Ring chain fitted on my ZMR.. the mechanic in castrol zone told me that the Karizma's chain are much better than the O-Ring Chain and they suggested me not to change it.. now that is how much quality difference the karizma comes with..

now if you are talking about bullet.. the quality is deteriorating and not getting better in their new bikes as mentioned by many bulleteers as they call themselves..

The oil cooling in ZMR does its work and the engine doesn't heat up much except if you are stuck in a heavy traffic.. otherwise the engine doesn't heat up.. Liquid cooling makes a lot of sense but is it required for an engine that doesn't throttle in high RPMs??

Ok.. if you are talking about liquid coolers and oil coolers... where are the liquid coolers or atleast oil coolers to the bullet?? mind you the engine of bullet gets heated up like hell.. infact my colleagues bag caught on fire because of the awful heat caused by the Engine of Classic 350..

when the engine of the ZMR doesn't get too hot.. i don't think there is even a necessary for the liquid cooler atleast not in my Black pearl but yes.. it would have been better with liquid cooler and making the cost go up by another 5000/- or so.. but why didn't RE take care of the engine heating issue even though there is no fairing blocking air from cooling the engine.. mind you I have lost couple of costly shoes and slippers while going as pillion on the bullet for just 20 minutes.. grrrrrrrrrrrr.. i hate that shitty hot engine and silencer..

note that I don't hate bullets but I am just not a fan or i don't have craze for it.. if you feel otherwise.. please go to the previous posts and find my support to the bullet family where i did praise it

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Dada, this sentence made my day. Feels as if I owned the hyperbike. It belongs to a friend BTW.
My experience? Earth shattering. Although I was afraid and rode it for only 1 km due to a mix of awesomeness and fear, but that has now done enough to shatter my N650 plans and go full monty at once!
To give you a perspective, red line on Busa starts at 11k and it does 180 kmph at 6k in 6th. Can you believe it?

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I would suggest you wait for the new 250cc I am gonna keep my Black pearl forever and wait for the next higher cc engine from Hero/EBR.. yeah.. now that bike I hope is worth the wait and it will certainly depend on how good the new 250cc from hero is going to be.. if it ain't good enough.. I will have to settle down with the Ninja 650 in future

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Oh oh.. [MENTION=41586]Divya Sharan[/MENTION] bhai.. don't tell me you don't know that the Busa does above 300kmph Busa is my dream bike but I will never get that much amount of money in my life unless my wife (my girlfriend is ready to help with savings for my big bike in future) helps me save enough money

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Wow,
Yes, I am aware that only open chains needs o-ring,x-y ring. Still wondering what x and y rings mean. Well, google is Your friend.

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I know it is not your busa but i wish that someday you will own one, and let me tell you i am sure one day you will own it.

Everything on that bike is extreme, thats why i said it as hyper-bike. Regarding Hayabusa then it is like that sexy girl which you had crush but still far away.
regarding Hayabusa doing 180 at 6k rpm on sixth then it is possible because unlike liter class super-bike which have high power, hayabusa has both power and torque. So the sixth gear is tall to make it cruise. Hayabusa has so much torque that the rear tyre shreds itself if driven aggressively. A De-restricted Hayabusa will easily go past 320 and the beauty of the engine is that it will pull from 50 kph in sixth gear till red-line, and the massive size gives it amazing stability.

Nothing to be afraid as Hayabusa has a linear power delivery compared to other sports bike in which power comes in sudden burst. Alas, at that time i didn't knew that at that time. Recently i read the travelogue of [MENTION=6601]harish[/MENTION] from bangalore to hyderabad and back and i immediately got struck by that old love.

In south india you have roads to max out cars and bike, heck volvos cross 140 kph regularly but here crossing 100 kph is dangerous. Only on the elevated expressway near balugaon i try top speed and yesterday while returned i for first time crossed 9k rpm in my extreme touching 120 kph(speedo tested with Gps with hardly any error).

It was really kind of your friend to lend you his Hayabusa.

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Weekend hangover Divya ? This is exactly what oil cooling is all about.. The fact is, oil cooling is more of a work around & a marketing gimmick.. The other & real name for "oil cooled" is "oil IS cooled" It's liquid cooling which is truly different & technically/productively efficient.. ZMR is oil cooled only; not air cooled.

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320 KMPH only ?? a turbo charged methanol fueled BUSA 1300 produces appx 721 HPs my friend !! Forget 721 HP, someone like Bill Warner has produced 1000 HP out of a BUSA 1300 & has done 312 Miles/Hr ~ 502 KMPH

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Sarcasm at its best..

I know the difference between them and i dont think i need to hit the google. Thank you..

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Guys, why so much obsession over the brand of bike we are owning ?? If at all, let the obsession be with maintaining the bike as well as possible, riding it as nicely n hard as possible & to get the best out of it till it is up n running.. But if the obsession is making anyone announce that this particular bike is THE BEST ever made in the history of mankind then it is pure bullshit.. Just bcoz I own something doesnt make it the best by any stretch of imagination... So if someone says so someone else would stand up n take a notice & would say something against it, which might just be true too ! In the end, some more hard feelings.. How many guys here would agree that "east or west, India is the best" is all lies & stupid ??? Or is it as true as GITA just coz am an Indian ??

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I have a doubt. Could some serious chain slack cause the back wheel to wobble at certain times

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does it happen at a particular speed ? Have you checked the air pressure?? Tight chains can cause misalignment..

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Hehe.. true that.. east or west, home is the best.. i would say india only after all the corruption comes to an end..

Regarding bikes.. i would never say zmr is the best.. but the fact remains that it has one of the best technologies in india.. let me put the stress on ONE OF THE BEST.. NOT THE BEST.. BUT ONE OF THE BEST.. not sure if some people understand that term.. but no ways zmr is even near one of the best indian bikes.. IMO

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I had heard so much on the brake pad quality in ZMR.. but here is the condition of my front brake pads after 4000 KM only.. may be they would have run fine for a thousand more KM.. but replaced them with new ones yesterday during servicing..

at 4K KM..


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It was not meant just for you Rreneav.. Actually this is my observation out of many posts in the last couple of months... May be I usually try to stay unbiased; Juts a personal trait. Anyways but these kind of things lead to hard feelings. Hence I thought of mentioning..