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**Divya Sharan** · 09-04-2013, 01:22 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by psr View Post

ZMA/ZMR starts charging right from idling RPM....want proof...start the engine and let it idle..Put the probes of a Multimeter and see for yourself....it will be from 13.7 ~ 14.3 Volts DC..At 3,000 RPM the coils can work at it's maximum capacity of 188 watts(Appr 15 amps) in ZMA and 18 Amps in ZMR...
It is the continued charge that is required by the Lead acid cell that makes the difference...My Amaron 9 AH battery is 2 yrs old...I use the bike for 8~10 Kms on weekends for the past 6 months and never faced starting or charging problems....

Hmm, need some clarity here. Moreover, why are we asked to rev our bikes when the battery is dying down? I mean, I have seen most senior riders here revving the bike to 4-5k rpm for 30 sec or so before shutting it off. I know its bad - revving before shutting the bike, but apparently, battery does get charged to some extent so that it can crank once or twice again. In fact, I gave the same advice to another fellow who had a Pulsar and he's happy ever since (he rode 5-6 kms daily, that too under 50 kmph).

**psr** · 09-04-2013, 01:41 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post

So it means charging start as ZMR starts....

What does this mean "It is the continued charge that is required by the Lead acid cell that makes the difference"....

When a battery looses it's charge due to non charging, the battery needs to be charged at max safe current till battery terminal voltage comes upto the float charge level.ie., for a 12 Volts battery, till it reaches 13.5 volts, after which the charging reduces in current to 1/10 value as top up charge....

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Hmm, need some clarity here. Moreover, why are we asked to rev our bikes when the battery is dying down? I mean, I have seen most senior riders here revving the bike to 4-5k rpm for 30 sec or so before shutting it off. I know its bad - revving before shutting the bike, but apparently, battery does get charged to some extent so that it can crank once or twice again. In fact, I gave the same advice to another fellow who had a Pulsar and he's happy ever since (he rode 5-6 kms daily, that too under 50 kmph).

Raising the throttle and running the engine at a higher RPM before switching off leaves residual petrol in the inlet...this helps in cold start within a few turns of the crank...
No amount of revving or long rides at higher RPM can revive a battery with bad cells..

Here is a useful link explaining the charge cycle....

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_the_lead_acid_battery

**Bibhudatta** · 09-04-2013, 01:54 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post

Again the same issue. Burning smell and kat kat sound. Katkat sound is Normal when the engine gets stressed I know. But this sound is a bit different and happens even at 4-5k rpm, 5th gear and I observed that eveb if not WOT, the sound is there. And it happens ONLY when the engine is hot. Wanna sort this out. Please tell me what all things that the mech has to inspect. Am strongly suspecting radiator or some problem inside the engine. Cause the smell is similar to burnt oil. Btw, oil is not old.

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Originally posted by sibun View Post

I would request you to do another test. While you have opened the spark plug just using a torch having pencil beam focus through the spark plug hole into the combustion chamber, if the piston is not at top then shift to fifth gear and slowly rotate the wheel till piston comes to top. Check the top of piston how is the carbon deposit, if it is thick then it is not allowing the heat from combustion chamber to get transferred to piston and finally to outside which is causing the problem, next keep on rotating the wheel and you will see the valves opening and check each valve for any pitting on the seat.

Moreover if tappets has been adjusted at ASC then get it checked with feeler gauge as those idiots would have tightened it too much.

These are just my suggestions, so please have a look at these.

@ sibun: Are you saying that this is engine knocking due to high compression? possible if there is excess carbon deposit inside the combustion chamber & piston. But in that case there would be other effects too. Loss in power & engine smoothness. Smoke coming out of exhaust. Assuming that there is excessive carbon deposit & a burnt smell, It might mean there is oil leakage in to the combustion chamber due to damaged valve stem seals/piston rings; But in that case oil level should decrease way faster than it should.

@ abhi7013: The question is, are these symptoms there in your bike ? Are you noticing atleast decrease in oil level ?

**RaajD** · 09-04-2013, 02:38 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Bibhudatta View Post

@ sibun: Are you saying that this is engine knocking due to high compression? possible if there is excess carbon deposit inside the combustion chamber & piston. But in that case there would be other effects too. Loss in power & engine smoothness. Smoke coming out of exhaust. Assuming that there is excessive carbon deposit & a burnt smell, It might mean there is oil leakage in to the combustion chamber due to damaged valve stem seals/piston rings; But in that case oil level should decrease way faster than it should.

@ abhi7013: The question is, are these symptoms there in your bike ? Are you noticing atleast decrease in oil level ?

See, if the bike is running good apart from the Kat-Kat-rina sound, and like you mentioned the burning smell which points out a hot engine - I guess the timing could be a bit advanced. If so, there are 2 ways you can do it:

1. Adjusting the timing at the ASC
2. If the spark plug is old, replace the spark plug and keep the plug gap a bit more than the old one (ideal because you don't end up messing with the bike)

There are more than n number of troubleshooting options, so it's better if we start with the simplest one.

Off the track, does anyone have the workshop manual of the ZMR?

If

**Supreeeth** · 09-04-2013, 06:51 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Hi guys.... just changed the tire of my black beauty to pirelli 120/80-18 and the feel of the bike was awesome

And after a day my happiness died as i had a fall when i got hit by a car's mirror and lost control in traffic....

Its been a long wait (2 weeks n still waiting) to get my beauty back on road....... Im fine but my baby is badly hurt....

I want to know the cost of

1) front cowls(both left top(ZM),left bottom(R),right top(ZM) and right bottom(R))
2) Head light assembly
3) Rear brake lever
4) Front suspension cover (the golden colored)
5) Visor
6) Silencer guard/cover

How much can be claimed from insurance(National insurance)?
Its 2011 model ZMR

Also there was a disc oil leak in the front

I am also looking to up size my front stock tire(80/100) slightly

A few suggestions from you guys will be of great help....

**worrisomebear** · 09-04-2013, 07:06 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Supreeeth View Post

Hi guys.... just changed the tire of my black beauty to pirelli 120/80-18 and the feel of the bike was awesome

and after a day my happiness died as i had a fall when i got hit by a car's mirror and lost control in traffic....

Its been a long wait (2 weeks n still waiting) to get my beauty back on road....... Im fine but my baby is badly hurt....

unfortunate that you had a fall, its great that you swapped tyres ,pirelli is best avail in market

**RaajD** · 09-04-2013, 07:27 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Supreeeth View Post

Hi guys.... just changed the tire of my black beauty to pirelli 120/80-18 and the feel of the bike was awesome

And after a day my happiness died as i had a fall when i got hit by a car's mirror and lost control in traffic....

Its been a long wait (2 weeks n still waiting) to get my beauty back on road....... Im fine but my baby is badly hurt....

I want to know the cost of

1) front cowls(both left top(ZM),left bottom(R),right top(ZM) and right bottom(R))
2) Head light assembly
3) Rear brake lever
4) Front suspension cover (the golden colored)
5) Visor
6) Silencer guard/cover

How much can be claimed from insurance(National insurance)?
Its 2011 model ZMR

Also there was a disc oil leak in the front

I am also looking to up size my front stock tire(80/100) slightly

A few suggestions from you guys will be of great help....

I hope you are okay. I could find only this much information:

"Basis of Indemnity

Basis of Indemnity will be to the extent lost/suffered in terms of replacement value for the parts to be replaced in case of partial accidental damage with associated labour to be assessed by an Independent surveyor (relaxed for in-house surveyor within the estimate of Rs.20,000/-) keeping policy terms and codition in view. For total loss, market value determined by an independent surveyor will be the basis. For extensive damage which ultimately makes the repairing uneconomical may be considered for total loss to be derived by the independent surveyor. In such cases, the insured, if wishes, can retain the salvage and net amount can be disbursed towards total settlement."

Also, if you can, revert to the original tires for the time.....no idea if they could form the basis for denial of insurance.

**Bibhudatta** · 09-04-2013, 08:00 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Supreeeth View Post

Hi guys.... just changed the tire of my black beauty to pirelli 120/80-18 and the feel of the bike was awesome

And after a day my happiness died as i had a fall when i got hit by a car's mirror and lost control in traffic....

Its been a long wait (2 weeks n still waiting) to get my beauty back on road....... Im fine but my baby is badly hurt....

I want to know the cost of

1) front cowls(both left top(ZM),left bottom(R),right top(ZM) and right bottom(R))
2) Head light assembly
3) Rear brake lever
4) Front suspension cover (the golden colored)
5) Visor
6) Silencer guard/cover

How much can be claimed from insurance(National insurance)?
Its 2011 model ZMR

Also there was a disc oil leak in the front

I am also looking to up size my front stock tire(80/100) slightly

A few suggestions from you guys will be of great help....

i cant tell you the cost of the parts.. you can just visit an SVC for that..
coming to the insurance coverage, please check your insurance paper & premium amount. the coverage depends on that & coverage from the same company can vary as per the premium.. In my case the coverage is 100%.. but generally it is around 70-80%.. additionally also check what all things are covered.
your insurance company would already have a price for quite a few components & would negotiate with Hero SVC on the prices.. you are good if SVC agrees to their prices; else you would need to pay the extra amount from your pocket; the differential amount between SVC quote & insurance company quote.

**abhi7013** · 09-04-2013, 10:46 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Got into an accident. The audi in front of me put the hand break. Dunno what he was thinking. I hit his rear. We were doing about 30-40 kmph. He just drove away.
Now neither me nor the bike fell. But see the pics. The body is cracked. Found the broken piece on road and stuck it. The other piece I could not find. Any suggestions?

And ya. I feel the handling has worsened.

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**rreneav1987** · 09-04-2013, 10:51 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post

Got into an accident. The audi in front of me put the hand break. Dunno what he was thinking. I hit his rear. We were doing about 30-40 kmph. He just drove away.
Now neither me nor the bike fell. But see the pics. The body is cracked. Found the broken piece on road and stuck it. The other piece I could not find. Any suggestions?
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And ya. I feel the handling has worsened.

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Sad to hear all this happening.. people these days are very careless they dont bother about the vehicle coming behind them.. but mate why were you just behind a car

Not gonna help thinking about what happened.. praying nothing happened to you..

Now coming to the bike.. ita not gonma help sticking those parts man. The vibs will break it apart..

The fork might be bent and maybe the alloys too.. please be safe..

Take care of yourself first..

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**abhi7013** · 09-04-2013, 11:32 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Sad to hear all this happening.. people these days are very careless they dont bother about the vehicle coming behind them.. but mate why were you just behind a car

Not gonna help thinking about what happened.. praying nothing happened to you..

Now coming to the bike.. ita not gonma help sticking those parts man. The vibs will break it apart..

The fork might be bent and maybe the alloys too.. please be safe..

Take care of yourself first..

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Am safe. And nothing happend to the wheel. If the fork is bent, can it be repaired? Ill have to check it thoroughly in the morning. And it was ful of traffic. Am lucky that the car behind me steered suddenly to his left to avoid crashing into me. The audi in front of me drove away like crazy

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**rreneav1987** · 09-05-2013, 12:14 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post

Am safe. And nothing happend to the wheel. If the fork is bent, can it be repaired? Ill have to check it thoroughly in the morning. And it was ful of traffic. Am lucky that the car behind me steered suddenly to his left to avoid crashing into me. The audi in front of me drove away like crazy

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As long as you are safe thank god...

Well.. the fork bent can be removed so dont worry.. probably the clutch cable got a hit like how it happened in my case but in my case i had a fall to avoid crashing into another bike who came out of no where in traffic.. my bad luck it was sandy and the sudden front brake made me fall..

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**rreneav1987** · 09-05-2013, 12:18 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Supreeeth View Post

Hi guys.... just changed the tire of my black beauty to pirelli 120/80-18 and the feel of the bike was awesome

And after a day my happiness died as i had a fall when i got hit by a car's mirror and lost control in traffic....

Its been a long wait (2 weeks n still waiting) to get my beauty back on road....... Im fine but my baby is badly hurt....

I want to know the cost of

1) front cowls(both left top(ZM),left bottom(R),right top(ZM) and right bottom(R))
2) Head light assembly
3) Rear brake lever
4) Front suspension cover (the golden colored)
5) Visor
6) Silencer guard/cover

How much can be claimed from insurance(National insurance)?
Its 2011 model ZMR

Also there was a disc oil leak in the front

I am also looking to up size my front stock tire(80/100) slightly

A few suggestions from you guys will be of great help....

The complete fairing set - 13k to 14k
Headlight assmbly - 1500
Front brake lever - 80 to 100
Front suspension cover? Do u mean the fork set?
Visor and silencer cover am not sure.. maybe [MENTION=14688]veryhiphop[/MENTION] can give you idea on that..

Please take care of yourself first and then come to your bike.. ride safe and please wear your head gear at all timez while on a bike..

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**abhi7013** · 09-05-2013, 12:30 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

As long as you are safe thank god...

Well.. the fork bent can be removed so dont worry.. probably the clutch cable got a hit like how it happened in my case but in my case i had a fall to avoid crashing into another bike who came out of no where in traffic.. my bad luck it was sandy and the sudden front brake made me fall..

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If the fork bend can be removed then its fine. Its good that it happend before I gave for servicing. And the tone of the horns has changed a bit after the hit. Maybe one of them is bent

Btw checked for smoke today again. There's none. Shall see what the mech does.

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**veryhiphop** · 09-05-2013, 10:57 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post

Got into an accident. The audi in front of me put the hand break. Dunno what he was thinking. I hit his rear. We were doing about 30-40 kmph. He just drove away.
Now neither me nor the bike fell. But see the pics. The body is cracked. Found the broken piece on road and stuck it. The other piece I could not find. Any suggestions?

And ya. I feel the handling has worsened.

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Suggest to replace whole unit...joining the broken pieces may lead to noise at higher rpm....

Originally posted by Supreeeth View Post

Hi guys.... just changed the tire of my black beauty to pirelli 120/80-18 and the feel of the bike was awesome

And after a day my happiness died as i had a fall when i got hit by a car's mirror and lost control in traffic....

Its been a long wait (2 weeks n still waiting) to get my beauty back on road....... Im fine but my baby is badly hurt....

I want to know the cost of

1) front cowls(both left top(ZM),left bottom(R),right top(ZM) and right bottom(R))
2) Head light assembly
3) Rear brake lever
4) Front suspension cover (the golden colored)
5) Visor
6) Silencer guard/cover

How much can be claimed from insurance(National insurance)?
Its 2011 model ZMR

Also there was a disc oil leak in the front

I am also looking to up size my front stock tire(80/100) slightly

A few suggestions from you guys will be of great help....

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

The complete fairing set - 13k to 14k
Headlight assmbly - 1500
Front brake lever - 80 to 100
Front suspension cover? Do u mean the fork set?
Visor and silencer cover am not sure.. maybe @veryhiphop can give you idea on that..

Please take care of yourself first and then come to your bike.. ride safe and please wear your head gear at all timez while on a bike..

Sent from my Spice Mi-530 using Tapatalk 4

Silencer cover shall cost Rs 800 for old model (black cover)...the Golden cover shall cost more ....and can be fit in earlier models of ZMR...

Visor - are you referring to Windshield it 300 Rs...and another one which i am thinking as Visor is headlight area..shall cost 2400 one piece...

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