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**antan_shank** · 07-16-2013, 05:45 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Bibhudatta View Post

let me be the second one in the ZMR family to make this mod; but with the hope that the acceleration would be increased, even if by 1%.. else am coming for you Divya

Post a video so that I can have the sound.....

**Divya Sharan** · 07-16-2013, 06:06 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Bibhudatta View Post

let me be the second one in the ZMR family to make this mod; but with the hope that the acceleration would be increased, even if by 1%.. else am coming for you Divya

Dada, I can't say if acceleration has "actually" improved or not. It does feel so, but it maybe psychological as well (due to the sound). But low end torque has improved as suggested by psr sir. It can be attributed to better breathing.

**abhi7013** · 07-16-2013, 06:10 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Rreneav bro, is the part available?

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**rreneav1987** · 07-16-2013, 07:00 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post

Rreneav bro, is the part available?

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I checked with 3 guys and they said they will take minimum 10days.. I will check up few.more guys and let u know..

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**anmol_1990** · 07-16-2013, 07:12 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Gulam View Post

hello friends ..... am planning to buy the ZMR... i zeroed in for ZMR because of its comfort , PGM Fi and traditional hero honda reliability ..BUT the 2013 model has no honda badging in it... no PGM fi badging ,, i just downloaded the brochure for zmr and was worried to see it was only specified as "fuel injection",, not PGM FI,, i thought the technology contract with honda ended only in 2014,, but why did they take out their technology so soon,,,, and will the split from honda affect the reliability of the bike... 112000 is a lot of money,, if the technologies from honda is offered its totally worth it,,,another part of me tells that the current technology is no different from the older one which honda offered... please clarify this guys

, find my english bad??,, sorry for that,, thanks in advance

No worries mate. Karizma R or ZMR both are Honda's design and engineering result and now since Honda has part away from Hero they had to take away the logos as well. Otherwise the machine is still the same. GO for it.

**psr** · 07-16-2013, 07:27 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Ok sir.. now that you have mentioned this... I need you to get me one of this when I come to Chennai

so that as soon as I come back to Delhi, I can fit the air filter directly

so that I don't mess up my Black Pearl

The Zen MPFi Filter needs to be mounted on to the stock Air filter frame, after removing the old filter element...so I need an old air filter unit and ofcourse the Zen filter...It will take a day to do the mod properly.....

Originally posted by antan_shank View Post

Small question:
If by removing the "snorkel" gives the bike so much more air to breath and as a result give the bike more acceleration to play with then why didn't HMC engineer implement this??

Moreover doesn't it have any negative effect to the bike by removing the part? May be I am wrong as I m ignorant of such things.. But I would like to know how many have done this and is till using it? I would like have a detail feedback from the senior members like PSR, etc...

Good Question..if you look inside the snorkel, the inside of the rubber form is divided into two parts, and both ends are bent in opposite directions....the small end from mounting goes inside the air box, and the long part sticks into the protected area under the seat....This snorkel prevents easy entry of rodents into the air box....in the air filter element also there is a wire mesh to prevent rodent infiltration, and it is just behind the paper element inside....so this snorkel reduces air velocity into the airbox due to the bend and the partition inside the snorkel....for normal acceleration, it will not make much difference....
Originally the idea of removing the snorkel was to increase the inlet breather sound to mimic K&N without the problems associated with it...but it seems to have helped in better breathing ....need to be explored , and no conclusion except the increased breather sound can be confirmed now....2 ZMRs in Chennai are running with snorkel removed ..so far owners like the sound and have confirmed better low end response.....

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

AFAIK, its only me who is using the snorkel-less setup. A snorkel keeps sound in check as well as protects the AF from dust and water. In theory, my AF would get dirty sooner and I need to be more careful in rains.
And most importantly, I guess my bike won't pass PUC check.

Your air filter is now easy access for rodents, though they can not get beyond the filter due to the metal screen behind the filter element....Your bike will easily pass PUC check since your engine breaths more air and CO level will be less

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Dada, I can't say if acceleration has "actually" improved or not. It does feel so, but it maybe psychological as well (due to the sound). But low end torque has improved as suggested by psr sir. It can be attributed to better breathing.

I would assume that the increased air breathing sound gives a feeling of going quick.....but with increased air intake in Fi possibility of better acceleration is possible since the ECU will compensate

**abhi7013** · 07-16-2013, 09:48 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

AFAIK, its only me who is using the snorkel-less setup. A snorkel keeps sound in check as well as protects the AF from dust and water. In theory, my AF would get dirty sooner and I need to be more careful in rains.
And most importantly, I guess my bike won't pass PUC check.

Bro where was the last time you checked puc?

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**Divya Sharan** · 07-16-2013, 10:21 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post

Bro where was the last time you checked puc?

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**Bibhudatta** · 07-16-2013, 11:43 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Dada, I can't say if acceleration has "actually" improved or not. It does feel so, but it maybe psychological as well (due to the sound). But low end torque has improved as suggested by psr sir. It can be attributed to better breathing.

Mod done.. time required is less than what it takes to prepare maggie

to be honest, yeah i too loved the sound.. its kinda a free flowing sound & starts coming out at mid revvs.. just took a very very small ride, so cant confirm on acceleration impact now.. but yeah the sound made me feel as if bike is happy & is enjoying some freedom..

would post my experience when i ride it to ofc tomorrow..

btw, you are saved coz am liking it !! he he..

Thanks PSR Ji too !

**rreneav1987** · 07-17-2013, 07:37 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Bibhudatta View Post

Mod done.. time required is less than what it takes to prepare maggie

to be honest, yeah i too loved the sound.. its kinda a free flowing sound & starts coming out at mid revvs.. just took a very very small ride, so cant confirm on acceleration impact now.. but yeah the sound made me feel as if bike is happy & is enjoying some freedom..

would post my experience when i ride it to ofc tomorrow..

btw, you are saved coz am liking it !! he he..

Thanks PSR Ji too !

And thats how [MENTION=41586]Divya Sharan[/MENTION] survives in Bangalore..

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**psr** · 07-17-2013, 10:21 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

I had hit upon the idea of snorkel removal, after I experimented with my Lancer air filter inlet....in Lancer there is an elaborate shaped hard plastic inlet tubing with a large resonator in the inlet in to the airbox....when I removed the in-between plumbing ,I really loved the air breathing sound, whenever I accelerated...after some time(7days) got bored, and reconnected everything because of fear of rodent attack...In the Lancer airbox there is no protection for rodent infiltration,except the labyrinthine inlet bends and routing,and so did not want to take the risk.....
Glad it helped a few ZMR owners...

@ Reneav if you want the ZEN filter mod, bring an old ZMA/ZMR air filter with you and give it to me..in a day I can fix the Zen MPFi air filter and give it back to you...
here is a picture of it....

**rreneav1987** · 07-17-2013, 11:30 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by psr View Post

I had hit upon the idea of snorkel removal, after I experimented with my Lancer air filter inlet....in Lancer there is an elaborate shaped hard plastic inlet tubing with a large resonator in the inlet in to the airbox....when I removed the in-between plumbing ,I really loved the air breathing sound, whenever I accelerated...after some time(7days) got bored, and reconnected everything because of fear of rodent attack...In the Lancer airbox there is no protection for rodent infiltration,except the labyrinthine inlet bends and routing,and so did not want to take the risk.....
Glad it helped a few ZMR owners...

@ Reneav if you want the ZEN filter mod, bring an old ZMA/ZMR air filter with you and give it to me..in a day I can fix the Zen MPFi air filter and give it back to you...
here is a picture of it....

I have my old Filter with me... but the problem is.. i am not sure if they allow to bring it in flight..

as I am not planning to check in.. but of course.. I will come and bug you asking how to do it so that I can do it here.. I usually learn from seeing practically

**antan_shank** · 07-17-2013, 11:45 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by psr View Post

The Zen MPFi Filter needs to be mounted on to the stock Air filter frame, after removing the old filter element...so I need an old air filter unit and ofcourse the Zen filter...It will take a day to do the mod properly.....

Good Question..if you look inside the snorkel, the inside of the rubber form is divided into two parts, and both ends are bent in opposite directions....the small end from mounting goes inside the air box, and the long part sticks into the protected area under the seat....This snorkel prevents easy entry of rodents into the air box....in the air filter element also there is a wire mesh to prevent rodent infiltration, and it is just behind the paper element inside....so this snorkel reduces air velocity into the airbox due to the bend and the partition inside the snorkel....for normal acceleration, it will not make much difference....
Originally the idea of removing the snorkel was to increase the inlet breather sound to mimic K&N without the problems associated with it...but it seems to have helped in better breathing ....need to be explored , and no conclusion except the increased breather sound can be confirmed now....2 ZMRs in Chennai are running with snorkel removed ..so far owners like the sound and have confirmed better low end response.....

Your air filter is now easy access for rodents, though they can not get beyond the filter due to the metal screen behind the filter element....Your bike will easily pass PUC check since your engine breaths more air and CO level will be less

I would assume that the increased air breathing sound gives a feeling of going quick.....but with increased air intake in Fi possibility of better acceleration is possible since the ECU will compensate

[MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION]
It's like a teacher teaching each and every point and making sure that neither ME or HE misses any point... Great work sir.. (y)

**Divya Sharan** · 07-17-2013, 12:24 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by antan_shank View Post

@psr
It's like a teacher teaching each and every point and making sure that neither ME or HE misses any point... Great work sir.. (y)

He's is a great teacher indeed, whether it be Karizma threads (both), Splendor thread, Powerhouse FZ18 thread or the Locomotives thread. Its a treat reading his posts.

**antan_shank** · 07-17-2013, 12:59 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

He's is a great teacher indeed, whether it be Karizma threads (both), Splendor thread, Powerhouse FZ18 thread or the Locomotives thread. Its a treat reading his posts.

Agreed!!!!

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