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  • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

    Guys as you know I changed the oil last week after using the oil for 3500 kms which was a bit too long. Had the oil changed last week to the same rimula. But when I checked the level today, the oil was a bit dark in colour. I hardly have done 100kms since the oil change. Is the oil getting burnt? And I observe daily for smoke but am 100% sure there's none.

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    • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

      Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
      What make is a Cobra? Leo Vince wala video even I saw. Its not for our bike. Leo Vince website doesn't list the bike. PRS, Pune had an exhaust for ZMA, but its not compatible with ZMR because we don't have a carb and no jetting is possible.
      Then, I guess ECU remap will solve the prob ryt?

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      • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

        Originally posted by jack_daniels View Post
        Then, I guess ECU remap will solve the prob ryt?
        Again, none that I'm aware of. Heard about custom ECU maps for Duke 200, R15 and CBR 250R. But, these are sold internationally too.
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        • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

          Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post
          Guys as you know I changed the oil last week after using the oil for 3500 kms which was a bit too long. Had the oil changed last week to the same rimula. But when I checked the level today, the oil was a bit dark in colour. I hardly have done 100kms since the oil change. Is the oil getting burnt? And I observe daily for smoke but am 100% sure there's none.
          The earlier overused oil has mixed with the fresh one and therefore it appears dark in color.

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          • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

            Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
            You talking about the OEM exhaust of the ZMA? Yes, it's a direct fit and makes the bike all the more silent. Though there is a 0.6 hp difference, back pressure is well contained and if painted matte black, it'd look awesome. I had this setup for 2 days in CHN when the SVC damaged the exhaust inlet pipe and buggers fit ZMA's exhaust. I rode for only 7 kms in 2 days, but the bike sounded like CBZ Xtreme. Also, there was no strain on the engine.
            Can please share the pics of the ZMA exhaust in ZMR??? Though not sure it will be effect the bike's performance and engine in future.. Why am I asking all this as the ZMA's exhaust is ready available in the SVC....

            Need more support from the you guys then only I will decide to go for the ZMA's or wait for the stock one.... The ZMA's golden exhaust is available and hence I am bit tempted for it, though not sacrificing the bike's health....

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            • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

              Originally posted by antan_shank View Post
              Can please share the pics of the ZMA exhaust in ZMR??? Though not sure it will be effect the bike's performance and engine in future.. Why am I asking all this as the ZMA's exhaust is ready available in the SVC....

              Need more support from the you guys then only I will decide to go for the ZMA's or wait for the stock one.... The ZMA's golden exhaust is available and hence I am bit tempted for it, though not sacrificing the bike's health....
              Naah, its a 2.5 year old incident and I was new to XBHP as well that time.
              The SVC guys asked me not to speed with that exhaust as nobody knew what might happen. Wait for sometime but get the OE part for ZMR only.
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              Hero Moto Corp Bikes' Parts RE STD 350 Wiring Diagram (CI) Service Manual - Classic 350/500
              ZMR parts - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-U...it?usp=sharing
              P200NS Spares' prices - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...taGd5R2c#gid=0

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              • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                Naah, its a 2.5 year old incident and I was new to XBHP as well that time.
                The SVC guys asked me not to speed with that exhaust as nobody knew what might happen. Wait for sometime but get the OE part for ZMR only.
                I guess that best!! Wait for the original part..

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                • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                  Originally posted by vishnurajanme View Post
                  LOL, dude, I was just joking. I am really a bad speaker
                  I dont get that much time to go through tech savvy write ups. That is why I shot that questions to Einsteins like you guys over here.

                  Like I already told, as per my very basic knowledge, ZMR mostly runs in a closed loop (Except WOT, Ignition, High RPMs whatever).
                  And, a closed loop means a control system that adjusts the error in the output continuously based on the input values. (Thanks to Anju Mam who taught me control system during B.tech days. Good god, she was a damsel ). So, as I removed the air resonator, the resistance is lowered (hole became big) and more air will enter the engine. So as per Anju mam's theory, in a closed loop system (Normal riding conditions: 3-5.5k RPM closed loop condition) as more air enters the engine, the fuel pump will pump more fuel to maintain the AFR which is a predetermined value by hero (or HONDA?).

                  So if all these theories are correct, my bike should have got the same fuel efficiency as before even after removing the resonator/snorkel. But It isn't.

                  I am getting approx 55Kmpl FE now in a 223CC Bike. HURRAYYY


                  So these are the basic things I know. I am really a noob when it comes to honda engines and other technical extrapolations.
                  So if someone has got an answer to this question, please... Teach me


                  Okay, got some info about the bikey. So question is answered




                  ONE MORE QUESTION
                  So more FE = a lean mixture

                  It is bad for my bike, right?
                  Also, engine is not heating up much.
                  PSR sir is using the same desnorkeled setup in his ZMA right?
                  Sir, can you please advice?

                  Also, how to tag a person in a post here, like tagging using '@' in Facebook?

                  Wait, again an issue. Just read the quote again



                  If it adjusts the injector opening based on air pressure value, all my concepts are correct.
                  Tech savy people, please help.
                  I am in the process of buying used ZMR as Hero honda got the best suspension and reliability and I own Pulsar 180 clocked 70K+.
                  Just wanted to clear some misconceptions about o2 sensor. For a narrowband sensor beyond 14.7 is lean and the voltage drops to 0.1v and during rich voltage swings to 0.9V. 0.45V its said to be stioch. Closed loop mode the sensor keeps switching from rich to lean vice versa as the ecu regulates the fuel constantly based on the o2 feedback. Open loop conditions has set of predetermined criteria used where ecu goes to open loop. Some factors are high MAP load low rpm, throttle beyond 60%, low oil temperature.
                  I cant agree the removal of snorkel increases mileage by making the engine running lean. There is another factor plays important role(volumetric efficiency). Engine is nothing but glorified air pump. Snorkel is kept to reduce port noise and improve low end torque in case of tuned pipe. But it does provide restriction to the air movement. As I mentioned engine is an air pump. At part throttle energy is wasted by sucking the air through this restriction during suction stroke. Inorder to compensate the loss we increase the throttle little bit to match the desire speed and rpm. With the snorkel removed engine breathes more freely and less throttle input is need to keep tje same speed thus increasing volumetric efficiency. This alters the TPS value and effective fuel quantity is determined by TPS value*MAP*rpm = less fuel injection. In some cases there may be increase in vacuum due to low throttle opening. Less TPS value and less MAP value means less load to the engine so ecu can advance the timing little bit. This is the case one can feel little more power even in lean mixture.
                  During high rpm things are little different. Intake gases are now flowing very easily with much less restriction and high velocity. But the efficiency is affected by the duration of valve overlap. Valve overlap is the condition when the exhaust stroke is about to complete both intake and exhaust valve will be kept open for scavenging. Due to high velocity of the intake mixture some fresh mixture escapes to the exhaust manifold thus reducing FE. In this case keeping the intake restriction will reduce this phenomenon. In the open loop ecu wont check with o2 sensor but it has target AFR map which is preloaded based on TPS, MAP, Baro, IAT
                  Last edited by vijaycool; 12-19-2013, 02:39 AM.
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                  • karizma ZMR Front shocker

                    Hi Friends,
                    I recently bought ZMR, The ride is good , but i find it little forward lean position which make it little tiring after some time if i am riding alone. However if there pillion rider with me than its comfortable as the rear of the bike moves little down and i get a more upright position to sit.


                    so i was thinking of either increasing the front shockers height or changing the handle bar with something more taller..
                    So can you please suggest me , what is the better of them

                    Regards
                    Nitin

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                    • Re: karizma ZMR Front shocker

                      Originally posted by NitinRamola View Post
                      Hi Friends,
                      I recently bought ZMR, The ride is good , but i find it little forward lean position which make it little tiring after some time if i am riding alone. However if there pillion rider with me than its comfortable as the rear of the bike moves little down and i get a more upright position to sit.


                      so i was thinking of either increasing the front shockers height or changing the handle bar with something more taller..
                      So can you please suggest me , what is the better of them

                      Regards
                      Nitin
                      Are u kidding me? ZMR has got one of the most upright positions among the indian sportsbikes/tourer bikes. Only maybe a Bullet, Yezdi, other cruiser bikes, etc can beat. No one among the sportsbikes can beat it. I think u shud rather go for a Bajaj Avenger 220. That'd suit u well.
                      Hv u seen the likes of Yamaha R15 v2.0's seat position. ZMR's seating position has got no probs AFAIK.

                      P.S: How much hv u ridden btw? Ride at least 500-600km after which most of the probs like wrist pain, back pain are guaranteed to vanish.

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                      • Re: karizma ZMR Front shocker

                        Hi jack_daniels,
                        So far i have ridden 490 Km, i Know it is the most upright position in the category of sports bikes in india, but i am still looking for little more sitting comfort. So can you suggest how to make sitting position more upright.

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                        • Re: karizma ZMR Front shocker

                          Originally posted by NitinRamola View Post
                          Hi jack_daniels,
                          So far i have ridden 490 Km, i Know it is the most upright position in the category of sports bikes in india, but i am still looking for little more sitting comfort. So can you suggest how to make sitting position more upright.
                          Grabbing the tank with both legs makes you sit more upright as front fenders has provision to gives better grips to your legs, however it depends on person to person as far as the sitting position concerns, I would advice you not to change the handle bar neither the front suspensions which will change the stock riding/handling geometry.
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                          • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                            Well, when i first rode it, even I found ZMR's sitting posture slightly forward inclined, and the foot pegs a bit rearwards set. But that is totally because I'm used to a Honda Unicorn since last 8 years (which is an 150cc commuter bike, and has one of the most upright sitting postures), and not because there's something wrong with the ZMR. In fact the most important reason of my choosing the ZMR was it's riding comfort. Otherwise I would have gone with the R15, or the CBR 250 (budget permitting).
                            Now with 700+ km on my ZMR I feel it's as comfortable as a sports tourer can get! I used to get back pains after 30 mins on my unicorn, but today only I rode my ZMR for more than an hour without any pain any where

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                            • Re: karizma ZMR Front shocker

                              Originally posted by NitinRamola View Post
                              Hi jack_daniels,
                              So far i have ridden 490 Km, i Know it is the most upright position in the category of sports bikes in india, but i am still looking for little more sitting comfort. So can you suggest how to make sitting position more upright.
                              There's nothing wrong wid the ZMR's seating posture, trust me. Ride another 100km & all probs will vanish. I also suffered from wrist pains (no back pains though) in the 1st 500 kms. After dat, all probs have vanished for me.
                              Moreover, in ZMR (although its a sportsbike) is designed more to be a sports-cum-tourer. So, u're on the bike unlike other sportsbikes where u're in the bike. So, u'll notice that we don't need any tank pads as the tank is completely flat.

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                              • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                                Any idea when the facelifted ZMR is launching?
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