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**rreneav1987** · 08-27-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by RaajD View Post

Thought I should share this article with my dudes. This article describes in detail almost everything about fuel injection and also about the different sensors that an FI bike might have.

http://global.yamaha-motor.com/about/craftsmanship/technical_review/publish/no35/pdf/gs_02.pdf

As for me and my ZMR, am in Mumbai now. And yes, the problems in my ZMR have multiplied (owner's woe, neighbor's joy)!

Bike stops abruptly and then doesn't start. Give a rest of 10-15 minutes, it fires back! Repeats the feat often. ASC kept the bike for 3 days, only to come with 'no fault observed' one-liner. I don't blame them either. The problem comes all of a sudden and vanishes the same way....could be minutes or days. ASC says that water cannot enter the fuel tank because of the drain pipe along the tank cap.

Dunno what else.....

Hope you have a camera in you mobile.. when this happens you should take a video so that you can show them the problem when it happens..

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**vishnurajanme** · 08-27-2013, 03:56 PM

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@ all Btech students out here...

I am presently working as an Asst. Professor in a reputed engg college in kerala

**RaajD** · 08-27-2013, 04:41 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Hope you have a camera in you mobile.. when this happens you should take a video so that you can show them the problem when it happens..

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Yup, I could take a video when the bike stopped and refused to start late Sunday night. However, that was only after the bike stopped and not when the bike was about to stop. It happens so abrupt, I cannot have a premonition about it. Nevertheless, now I have this video where the bike refuses to start.

See, the bigger issue is that nothing gets detected, and I understand it might be a very silly/simple troubleshooting. ASC again asked me to keep the bike for 3 days with them so that get to know when it happens, but the point is WHY does it happen rather than waiting for WHEN it will happen. Better I get the drain pipe tested first!

**Divya Sharan** · 08-27-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by RaajD View Post

Yup, I could take a video when the bike stopped and refused to start late Sunday night. However, that was only after the bike stopped and not when the bike was about to stop. It happens so abrupt, I cannot have a premonition about it. Nevertheless, now I have this video where the bike refuses to start.

See, the bigger issue is that nothing gets detected, and I understand it might be a very silly/simple troubleshooting. ASC again asked me to keep the bike for 3 days with them so that get to know when it happens, but the point is WHY does it happen rather than waiting for WHEN it will happen. Better I get the drain pipe tested first!

Noob question:
1. Do you keep the ignition to ON position without starting the bike for a long time? (say, more than 5 min)
2. Apart from the drain pipe, is the starter relay fine? Check the fuse in there!

If the answer to #1 is Yes, then its not a problem. Its a fail safe mechanism. To test it, once your bike refuses to start, roll it for 10 meters and try switching on/off the ignition via the key. Attempt a crank. Should work.

If the answer to #1 is no, follow #2.

**RaajD** · 08-27-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Noob question:
1. Do you keep the ignition to ON position without starting the bike for a long time? (say, more than 5 min)
2. Apart from the drain pipe, is the starter relay fine? Check the fuse in there!

If the answer to #1 is Yes, then its not a problem. Its a fail safe mechanism. To test it, once your bike refuses to start, roll it for 10 meters and try switching on/off the ignition via the key. Attempt a crank. Should work.

If the answer to #1 is no, follow #2.

#1 is No.
#2 How do I check the starter relay?

Am not conversant when it comes to the electricals or sensors in an FI bike. Had it been a Bullet....never actually went to any mechanic. Even did the overhauling at home.

However, I'm trying not to give up. Thanks mate.

**rreneav1987** · 08-27-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by RaajD View Post

#1 is No.
#2 How do I check the starter relay?

Am not conversant when it comes to the electricals or sensors in an FI bike. Had it been a Bullet....never actually went to any mechanic. Even did the overhauling at home.

However, I'm trying not to give up. Thanks mate.

Open the side panel where the battery is located..

on the right side you will find a relay holder which is connected to the battery.. you will find the relay there.. as seen in the below pic.. just remove that look out for dust and clean it..

also remove the Fuse in it and check.. usually this thing can cause a huge mess and in my case it screwed 2 new batteries without charging them properly.. changed it to Minda and now the battery is getting charged just fine..

A faulty starter relay causes starting trouble as well.. can be in your case too..

The fuse should be 20A fuse and check for loose fuse or use a 15A spare fuse from the fuse box under the seat and check...

**shivakrish** · 08-27-2013, 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Which college bro??

Jain Engg coll bro

Originally posted by vishnurajanme View Post

@ all Btech students out here...

I am presently working as an Asst. Professor in a reputed engg college in kerala

GOOD EVENING SIR

**rreneav1987** · 08-27-2013, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by shivakrish View Post

Jain Engg coll bro

MNM Jain huh?? I was moving around your college most of the time this month

My house is near Velacherry and my friend stays in ECR

so I go past OMR everyday

I have even come to your college to play football match.. we had a league going on back in 2008

**RaajD** · 08-28-2013, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE=rreneav1987;983465]Open the side panel where the battery is located..

on the right side you will find a relay holder which is connected to the battery.. you will find the relay there.. as seen in the below pic.. just remove that look out for dust and clean it..

also remove the Fuse in it and check.. usually this thing can cause a huge mess and in my case it screwed 2 new batteries without charging them properly.. changed it to Minda and now the battery is getting charged just fine..

A faulty starter relay causes starting trouble as well.. can be in your case too..

The fuse should be 20A fuse and check for loose fuse or use a 15A spare fuse from the fuse box under the seat and check...

[/QUOTE]

Finally some respite. This evening, while taking my ZMR to the ASC, it again stopped abruptly. Recorded how it happened. I called up the ASC manager and he was prompt enough to send two of his mechanics within 20 minutes. The bike repeated the feat about 10-11 times on the way to the ASC. I recorded the push by the ASC mechanic too. Well, I did help him though. Finally reached the ASC by 8:30 p.m. at the end of the uphill push! Staff were better here.

The manager here was assuring, and did seem to know what he talked about. I just hope something works out this time. I'll keep posted.

Do check that article on FI that I mentioned with the link. Good read indeed. Thanks again!

**rreneav1987** · 08-28-2013, 08:37 AM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by RaajD View Post

Finally some respite. This evening, while taking my ZMR to the ASC, it again stopped abruptly. Recorded how it happened. I called up the ASC manager and he was prompt enough to send two of his mechanics within 20 minutes. The bike repeated the feat about 10-11 times on the way to the ASC. I recorded the push by the ASC mechanic too. Well, I did help him though. Finally reached the ASC by 8:30 p.m. at the end of the uphill push! Staff were better here.

The manager here was assuring, and did seem to know what he talked about. I just hope something works out this time. I'll keep posted.

Do check that article on FI that I mentioned with the link. Good read indeed. Thanks again!

Hope everything gets well this time.. also while you are at it.. check the condition of the starter relay..

**shivakrish** · 08-28-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

MNM Jain huh?? I was moving around your college most of the time this month

My house is near Velacherry and my friend stays in ECR

so I go past OMR everyday

I have even come to your college to play football match.. we had a league going on back in 2008

Lol ya.. seriously ah, we could ve met bro cha !! neverthles next time when u com here we ll meet

ok atleast did u meet [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] sir when yu were here ??

**rreneav1987** · 08-28-2013, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by shivakrish View Post

Lol ya.. seriously ah, we could ve met bro cha !! neverthles next time when u com here we ll meet

ok atleast did u meet [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] sir when yu were here ??

Indeed i did get to meet him.. such a genuine fella [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] sir is. :-) for sure i will meet you next time i come.. maybe you will get a chance to meet my black pearl too.. [MENTION=41586]Divya Sharan[/MENTION].. same goes with you mate.. :-)

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**psr** · 08-28-2013, 07:25 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by shivakrish View Post

Lol ya.. seriously ah, we could ve met bro cha !! neverthles next time when u com here we ll meet

ok atleast did u meet @psr sir when yu were here ??

Yes Rreneav met me ...and even though it was raining ran off to Delhi immediately...

**Divya Sharan** · 08-28-2013, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Indeed i did get to meet him.. such a genuine fella @psr sir is. :-) for sure i will meet you next time i come.. maybe you will get a chance to meet my black pearl too.. @Divya Sharan.. same goes with you mate.. :-)

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Sure bro. My bad, I haven't met PSR sir so far. Next time pakka. I might ride to CHN just to meet him. Reneav, are u relocating to CHN?

**rreneav1987** · 08-28-2013, 07:38 PM

Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

Originally posted by psr View Post

Yes Rreneav met me ...and even though it was raining ran off to Delhi immediately...

sir.. I am sure it is not raining now

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