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  • #18901
    Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

    Originally posted by Om1234 View Post
    the capacity is 150ml
    I think you should start worrying now. Om Bhai.
    Government has started to mix 10% ethanol in petrol. All engines older than 5 years will see their components fail because of this mixture.

    In short,
    Ethanol mixed petrol will draw moisture(water) from air, when it is stored in petrol tanks.
    This water sinks to the bottom in petrol tanks, where fuel pump/ intake to carb sits.
    in few weeks, the water mixed ethanol starts to form lumps/gel like substance, which starts to clog carburetors & Fuel filters.
    Ethanol is alcohol, which means, its a good cleaner. It can clean the fuel lines and other pipes efficiently. Sadly it cleans till the rubber melts away and aluminium corrodes causing permanent damage to engines.

    Any idea on Karizma can handle this fuel? if not, how many years our Zma's will survive in this new world.

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    • #18902
      Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

      Originally posted by kris123456 View Post
      I think you should start worrying now. Om Bhai.
      Government has started to mix 10% ethanol in petrol. All engines older than 5 years will see their components fail because of this mixture.

      In short,
      Ethanol mixed petrol will draw moisture(water) from air, when it is stored in petrol tanks.
      This water sinks to the bottom in petrol tanks, where fuel pump/ intake to carb sits.
      in few weeks, the water mixed ethanol starts to form lumps/gel like substance, which starts to clog carburetors & Fuel filters.
      Ethanol is alcohol, which means, its a good cleaner. It can clean the fuel lines and other pipes efficiently. Sadly it cleans till the rubber melts away and aluminium corrodes causing permanent damage to engines.

      Any idea on Karizma can handle this fuel? if not, how many years our Zma's will survive in this new world.
      But how will other viechel's survive this problem ?

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      • #18903
        Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

        Originally posted by WiZ View Post
        Guys any other alternative pads to the 1.5k OEM brake pads ?
        I used tvs apache rtr 180 disc pads. They are exactly same. And they cost me only 280rs. When i installed thrm new it took atleast 50 km to start them biting the disc. I was feeling that there is no front brake and disc was also getting too hot to touch even in 1 km riding. But once they were rough afte usage they started biting very nicely, and i belive my braking was better than original brake pads. Its now above 10000km now since i changed them, im getting the good brake feel but want to change them now.

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        • #18904
          Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

          Originally posted by Abhi303 View Post
          I used tvs apache rtr 180 disc pads. They are exactly same. And they cost me only 280rs. When i installed thrm new it took atleast 50 km to start them biting the disc. I was feeling that there is no front brake and disc was also getting too hot to touch even in 1 km riding. But once they were rough afte usage they started biting very nicely, and i belive my braking was better than original brake pads. Its now above 10000km now since i changed them, im getting the good brake feel but want to change them now.
          any information to alternative OEM clutch plates?

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          • #18905
            Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

            Originally posted by Om1234 View Post
            Installed usha clutch plates
            To my suprise my bike is giving more pick-up than when that was there in the original clutch plates
            Till now going fine,lets see how it works
            U had already replaced clutch plates right? How are they performing?

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            • #18906
              Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

              Originally posted by Om1234 View Post
              any information to alternative OEM clutch plates?
              But u had already replaced some alternate brand clutch plates right? How r they doing and what was the cost?

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              • #18907
                Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                Originally posted by Abhi303 View Post
                But u had already replaced some alternate brand clutch plates right? How r they doing and what was the cost?
                used makino,after searching a lot on internet.
                It costed me 160rs.
                Currently i am facing issues with false neutral sometimes,also on when acclerating hard
                sometimes clutch slips from 2nd to neutral.
                Next time i would try one from akg
                Last edited by Om1234; 02-01-2018, 12:12 AM.

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                • #18908
                  Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                  Originally posted by Om1234 View Post
                  used makino,after searching a lot on internet.
                  It costed me 160rs.
                  Currently i am facing issues with false neutral sometimes,also on when acclerating hard
                  sometimes clutch slips from 2nd to neutral.
                  Next time i would try one from usha
                  Thats sad, what performance can you expect from 160 rs clutch plates? But you can try changing your clutch lever settings, because your gears are not engaging properly. Try adjusting clutch to full clutch, may solve your issue.

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                  • #18909
                    Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                    Originally posted by Abhi303 View Post
                    Thats sad, what performance can you expect from 160 rs clutch plates? But you can try changing your clutch lever settings, because your gears are not engaging properly. Try adjusting clutch to full clutch, may solve your issue.
                    no other plates were available ,all were in the price bracket of 150-200
                    usha,makino,endurance,osheno were available at my finding.
                    As rtr pad are direct fit to zma,finding some other brand clutch plate which are ,direct fit on a zma

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                    • #18910
                      Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                      Originally posted by Om1234 View Post
                      But how will other viechel's survive this problem ?
                      Donno why my post hasnt yielded in any good explanations or answers..

                      As per my understanding with the help of google.
                      - Tanks will Corrode. All aluminium parts will corrode and get damaged completely.
                      - Pistons take some hit. Not sure to what extent.
                      - FI vehicles are better than non FI vehicles. Because most of the junk clogs the fuel filter. Changing it will help.
                      - Non FI vehicles will take more impact. Because of Carb, which is made of Aluminium and this is where the fuel resides and keeps corroding the parts.
                      - Vehicles made in the last 2/3/4 years can sustain to this change, because, they might have considered this fuel and designed the bikes accordingly.
                      - Older vehicles. No one thinks they can take this change.
                      - Damage caused is irreversible. Changing the damaged parts is the only way.

                      None of the manufacturers say what their bikes can take. Maruti (cars) can take upto 10% of ethanol. But with respect to bikes, i could not find any info.
                      If any could find some info, please pass it on.

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                      • #18911
                        Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                        Originally posted by Om1234 View Post
                        Installed usha clutch plates
                        To my suprise my bike is giving more pick-up than when that was there in the original clutch plates
                        Till now going fine,lets see how it works
                        May be your clutch wire is more fastened than earlier. You can check it by observing the Clutch Lever position and play.
                        If it is tighter then more oil will be fed to engine ; resulting more acceleration.
                        RG

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                        • #18912
                          Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                          Originally posted by kris123456 View Post
                          Donno why my post hasnt yielded in any good explanations or answers..

                          As per my understanding with the help of google.
                          - Tanks will Corrode. All aluminium parts will corrode and get damaged completely.
                          - Pistons take some hit. Not sure to what extent.
                          - FI vehicles are better than non FI vehicles. Because most of the junk clogs the fuel filter. Changing it will help.
                          - Non FI vehicles will take more impact. Because of Carb, which is made of Aluminium and this is where the fuel resides and keeps corroding the parts.
                          - Vehicles made in the last 2/3/4 years can sustain to this change, because, they might have considered this fuel and designed the bikes accordingly.
                          - Older vehicles. No one thinks they can take this change.
                          - Damage caused is irreversible. Changing the damaged parts is the only way.

                          None of the manufacturers say what their bikes can take. Maruti (cars) can take upto 10% of ethanol. But with respect to bikes, i could not find any info.
                          If any could find some info, please pass it on.
                          I think karizma should be able to take the heat if maintained properly. A bikes average life span is 10 years max. And well maintained karizma could run for 20 years as well. The effect of ethonal cant be faster than the effect of corrosion on bike. So whatever may be the problem causing by enthanol, one can ignore and move on to new bike .

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                          • #18913
                            Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                            Originally posted by Abhi303 View Post
                            Thats sad, what performance can you expect from 160 rs clutch plates? But you can try changing your clutch lever settings, because your gears are not engaging properly. Try adjusting clutch to full clutch, may solve your issue.


                            Originally posted by Rajarshi View Post
                            May be your clutch wire is more fastened than earlier. You can check it by observing the Clutch Lever position and play.
                            If it is tighter then more oil will be fed to engine ; resulting more acceleration.
                            its fixed now,rode the bike and adjusted freeplay myself by trying various gaps.
                            Now the gear shifts are butter smooth like earlier,pickup is also good.Checked the average by reserve method,its still around 45kmpl.
                            Was able to hit 120+ speeds
                            So far all going well,now main thing to check that how much the clutch plates would last.

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                            • #18914
                              Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                              Originally posted by Om1234 View Post
                              its fixed now,rode the bike and adjusted freeplay myself by trying various gaps.
                              Now the gear shifts are butter smooth like earlier,pickup is also good.Checked the average by reserve method,its still around 45kmpl.
                              Was able to hit 120+ speeds
                              So far all going well,now main thing to check that how much the clutch plates would last.
                              Exactly. If it lasts atleast 10000km then your goal is achived. because changing of clutch would require oil change as well and you wont like to change clutch plates every 3k kms [emoji16]

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                              • #18915
                                Re: Karizma/Karizma R Ownership Experience

                                Originally posted by Abhi303 View Post
                                Exactly. If it lasts atleast 10000km then your goal is achived. because changing of clutch would require oil change as well and you wont like to change clutch plates every 3k kms [emoji16]
                                do you have fairing vibration issue on your v.2 of karizma??

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