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**ashwinprakas** · 11-28-2011, 03:04 PM

Hey everyone, my bike doesnt seem to start when we kick start, self works with the least effort bike comes to life just with a single press. Is my frequent use of the choke the reason this's happening.

OT.

Met an old friend owning a May 2010 Silver ZMA, he's running on his 3rd set of bore and pistons, just like me he's also a frequent visitor of the SVC.
Here are all the things he got of warranty.
1.Timing Chain.
2.Chain Tensioner.
3.Cylinder Kit (2 Times.).
5.New Head.

And finally his speedo does'nt jump when we cross the 6~7K mark. So my conclusion is that, every ZMA made after the ZMR's release has'nt got this issue.

**imjoshee** · 11-28-2011, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

1.You'll need to check for the Flasher relay.
2. Other bikes indicators?
3. If the blinker bulbs are not from the same make or not bought together, chances of blinker timing differs when compared to left and right. This is common for any bike.

Experts, please add/delete if any.

Thanks for the response mate.

I could not recollect the name "Flasher relay" & hence mentioned it as blinker & I think it confused you. Sorry about that.

What I was referring is to use a Flasher relay from other bikes like TVS or Bajaj which will be easy to get rather than wait for ZMA's flasher relay.

**kaynmantis** · 11-28-2011, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

Hey everyone, my bike doesnt seem to start when we kick start, self works with the least effort bike comes to life just with a single press. Is my frequent use of the choke the reason this's happening.

Couple of times I tried using kicker because its there. Found them frustrating I too find it difficult to start with them. Removed them ever eince

. Been using only self for about two years now. Hardly use choke, maybe three four times this year as I can recall. Bike always starts with first click

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**ashwinprakas** · 11-28-2011, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by kaynmantis View Post

Couple of times I tried using kicker because its there. Found them frustrating I too find it difficult to start with them. Removed them ever eince

. Been using only self for about two years now. Hardly use choke, maybe three four times this year as I can recall. Bike always starts with first click

.

Bro, have you removed the stopper as well???
And can you please weigh it and post its exact weight...

The kicker woud've been way easier to use if the choke lever would've stayed in place instead of retrieving.

**ashwinprakas** · 11-28-2011, 06:07 PM

@ACS Sir,
Here's something interesting.

The bore is shown as 66.5mm on Honda's web site and in the magazines (they probably got the info from the web site). My Honda Service Manual shows the bore as 65.5mm. The 66.5 bore gives a 229.9cc displacement, while the 65.5 bore gives 223.1cc. The model name is CRF230F, not CRF223F. I think someone dropped a mm between design/manufacturing and marketing. I wish they'd really used 66.5 so I'd have a 'true' 230 ;-)

**acs1207** · 11-28-2011, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

Here we go again about 240 and 260cc...

Ain't it way cheaper than 'Joel'ing ?

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

OK,So where can we get next size pistons? How much will they costs? Is there any particular brand for pistons?How much will re boring cost's?

No idea about all your queries bro . .but I guess psr's reply would give you the answer as to what is better .

Originally posted by psr View Post

Removing the gasket from the bottom of bore will give you between 0.8 to 1 hp increase...and increase in FE, while overboring to size above 230cc can be done with Pulsar 220 std piston which can give you slightly less than 240cc,with improved FE.

Not THIS I'm interested in . Only problem is to find someone who'll do it .
@ psr - has some one done it and posted the details any where on the net ?

Originally posted by imjoshee View Post

Hey fellow mates.

Need help on an electrical issue. Off lately I have noticed that the indicators on my bike take their own sweet time to glow & if the bike is OFF they refuse to blink.

I suspect the blinker going kaput, so can I put any other bikes blinker or I have to put in ZMA's only? The other thing I have noticed is that the indicator on my earlier rides were glowing instantaneously when pressed but on the ZMA its quite slow.

Go to a workshop ( road side will do ) and swap the flasher with another one for testing . If it's flasher problem , get a flasher which works with 10 W indicator bulbs ( I think most other bikes use 10 W bulbs ) .

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

@ACS Sir,
Here's something interesting.
The bore is shown as 66.5mm on Honda's web site and in the magazines (they probably got the info from the web site). My Honda Service Manual shows the bore as 65.5mm. The 66.5 bore gives a 229.9cc displacement, while the 65.5 bore gives 223.1cc. The model name is CRF230F, not CRF223F. I think someone dropped a mm between design/manufacturing and marketing. I wish they'd really used 66.5 so I'd have a 'true' 230 ;-)

Hey Ashwin - where did you get that quote from ? For HH Karizma , the bore is 65.5 mm . The 2nd oversize bore is 66.5 mm . But if what psr sir said is true then I'm more interested in that P220 piston .

**Vishakh** · 11-28-2011, 08:30 PM

Met Prem today to check his bike. I found the following

1. Tappet noise
2. Petrol tank leak and dark brown spark plug - causing drop in economy.
3. Oil leak from head- could'nt find the exact location.
4. Battery low- self start not working and trip meter resetting.
5. Break switch not working.

His back tyre was flat so couldn't test ride

. All these found on visual inspection.

**SriramEfunds** · 11-28-2011, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Vishakh View Post

Met Prem today to check his bike. I found the following

1. Tappet noise
2. Petrol tank leak and dark brown spark plug - causing drop in economy.
3. Oil leak from head- could'nt find the exact location.
4. Battery low- self start not working and trip meter resetting.
5. Break switch not working.

His back tyre was flat so couldn't test ride

. All these found on visual inspection.

Who is Prem? Can you help me with his xbhp id?

**Vishakh** · 11-28-2011, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

Who is Prem? Can you help me with his xbhp id?

premsankar

sorry about that. He was searching hard for a good karizma mechanic in Trivandrum. I recommended him to take it to Kollam as parts are not available here

.

And happy news my nut is coming

. I mailed a complaint about this and finally they are sending a packet

.

**psr** · 11-28-2011, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Vijay1911 View Post

Thank you for responding PSR sir!

After just looking it, I think Clutch Switch is properly!

If I am not wrong, clutch switch is the metallic plate locate near the kick or alternator, above the Oil filling hole, which reponds on applying clutch lever.

Originally posted by Vijay1911 View Post

I need to see that!

**psr** · 11-28-2011, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by imjoshee View Post

Hey fellow mates.

Need help on an electrical issue. Off lately I have noticed that the indicators on my bike take their own sweet time to glow & if the bike is OFF they refuse to blink.

I suspect the blinker going kaput, so can I put any other bikes blinker or I have to put in ZMA's only? The other thing I have noticed is that the indicator on my earlier rides were glowing instantaneously when pressed but on the ZMA its quite slow.

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

1.You'll need to check for the Flasher relay.
2. Other bikes indicators?
3. If the blinker bulbs are not from the same make or not bought together, chances of blinker timing differs when compared to left and right. This is common for any bike.

Experts, please add/delete if any.

I am no expert but still would like to post my idea...
The ZMA flasher is mechanical and dependent on load..
If a good and dependable flashing is required then switch to Electronic flasher unit like in Splendor etc.,

**psr** · 11-28-2011, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by acs1207 View Post

Ain't it way cheaper than 'Joel'ing ?

Not THIS I'm interested in . Only problem is to find someone who'll do it .
@ psr - has some one done it and posted the details any where on the net ?

Go to a workshop ( road side will do ) and swap the flasher with another one for testing . If it's flasher problem , get a flasher which works with 10 W indicator bulbs ( I think most other bikes use 10 W bulbs ) .

Hey Ashwin - where did you get that quote from ? For HH Karizma , the bore is 65.5 mm . The 2nd oversize bore is 66.5 mm . But if what psr sir said is true then I'm more interested in that P220 piston .

Some one in Chennai had successfully done it ,and will be my 2012 D I Y..

An electronic flasher will be more dependable, but the brightness may not be the same as the Mechanical one( I had used a DC Electronic flasher)
Buy a new Mechanical flasher, or if you want you can open the relay unit clean it, and spray WD40 on it and refit...

The stock ZMA bore is 65.5mm stroke is 66.2.

**AshMj** · 11-28-2011, 09:14 PM

idea regarding dual horn fixing

hello guys...i wanted to put dual horn to my zma with relay..can anybody tell me the circuit diagram for it please ...those mechanics are charging me a bomb...i guess it is not that hard..i want to do it myself like i earlier changed headlight bulb to mico55/60w and white single LED pilot bulbs...

**ashwinprakas** · 11-28-2011, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by acs1207 View Post

Hey Ashwin - where did you get that quote from ? For HH Karizma , the bore is 65.5 mm . The 2nd oversize bore is 66.5 mm . But if what psr sir said is true then I'm more interested in that P220 piston .

Dont remember exactly, try googling the quote(I cant cause am from phone.), it was an ancient CRF230 official review. In which the guy was stating that the CRF230's original design as proposed by Honda was supposed to have 66.5mm bore and 229cc(Hence the name CRF230) but the final production unit had only 65.5mm bore and 223cc.

**premsankar** · 11-28-2011, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

Who is Prem? Can you help me with his xbhp id?

Hi i am prem, a new xbhpian. I really love this site now because finally i was able to connect to some genuine karizma lovers.

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