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  • Originally posted by AshMj View Post
    Hello xbhp...!!! Yesterday while driving on NH4 at 1.10am i stopped my bike to call a friend,as soon as i stopped the bike it started sounding like ignition key is off and engine stopped i ignored it thinking it is time to shift to reserve...but bike was already running on reserve After the call i started to kick start the bike(my battery is weak)and then i felt that kick is so smooth like i am using splendor(usually my bike's kick feels hard n sometime there is sound like some pressured air is realising) so i thought clutch cable has gone(but it was not)i tried for half an hour but in vain then i checked spark plug(it was ok)petrol(ok)then i removed cdi and reconnected and i removed the petrol tube from the the carb let some petrol flow and waited on pitch dark road for another 15 minutes after that i was very optimistic and started kicking the bike with sky high confidence but soon it came to dust i thought something serious has happened to the bike and on other way i was also thinking that kari did not show any signs and how come she is not responding ...while thinking this i kicked the bike and slowly she came to life(like she has just arrived in this world) i was like ...put the gears on and rushed to home in triple digits....but still i am not able to understand strange behaviour of kari...xbhp members will you please throw some light on it
    No worries. Its a unique Karizma characteristic.
    Next time when this happens, give the bike a 10min break and after that slowly keep turning the engine using the kicker, and when you feel compression, kick hard.

    The reason behind this is exhaust valve getting stuck in an open state, rendering the engine unable to maintain compression. I believe the cause of this is indirectly related to Kicker abuse, since had read that the auto decompressor's related to the exhaust valve. And as I've experienced before, improper use of the Kicker causes damage to the decompressor there fore indirectly causing the exhaust valve from seizing to close.

    Just my assumption. Its best psr sir explains this.
    Motorcycling Experience:
    2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
    2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
    2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
    2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
    2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
    2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

    The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
    Adios Comrades!
    A.P. 2018

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    • Regarding AFR screw.

      It was bought by Arun a few weeks ago and it costed him Rs.85/- and it was readily available in stock.

      Click to see pics of it.
      Motorcycling Experience:
      2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
      2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
      2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
      2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
      2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
      2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

      The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
      Adios Comrades!
      A.P. 2018

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      • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
        No worries. Its a unique Karizma characteristic.
        Unique Karizma characteristic is too annoying in dense traffic.
        Self start wont work.
        I normally shake the bike and push bike forward and backward while holding clutch\neutral and disk brake .

        I know its the problem with some valve. So I will do all possible way to make valve open

        Then it will start.
        Helmets On +
        High-Beams Off And
        Only Headphones I need is my Exhaust!!

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        • @ashwinprakas i think you are right.it might be because of kicker abuse damaging the decompreser....nowdays i use kick to start kari bcz of weak battery..but i was very disappointed with this behaviour of kari..but after all its engine anything can happen let us see what psr sir says about this.
          Ashwin what is the proper way to kick start the bike???my kari never starts on first kick,i feel kick is so hard n that characteristic sound comes every time n it back kicks also...
          They couldn't see me but All they could hear is rustling sound...Always Game!!!

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          • Originally posted by Hackdrag View Post
            Unique Karizma characteristic is too annoying in dense traffic.
            Self start wont work.
            I normally shake the bike and push bike forward and backward while holding clutch\neutral and disk brake .

            I know its the problem with some valve. So I will do all possible way to make valve open

            Then it will start.
            seriously bro it is so annoying..that characteristic just took all my stamina yesterday...it feels so helpless at that moment
            They couldn't see me but All they could hear is rustling sound...Always Game!!!

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            • Originally posted by AshMj View Post
              Hello xbhp...!!! Yesterday while driving on NH4 at 1.10am i stopped my bike to call a friend,as soon as i stopped the bike it started sounding like ignition key is off and engine stopped i ignored it thinking it is time to shift to reserve...but bike was already running on reserve After the call i started to kick start the bike(my battery is weak)and then i felt that kick is so smooth like i am using splendor(usually my bike's kick feels hard n sometime there is sound like some pressured air is realising) so i thought clutch cable has gone(but it was not)i tried for half an hour but in vain then i checked spark plug(it was ok)petrol(ok)then i removed cdi and reconnected and i removed the petrol tube from the the carb let some petrol flow and waited on pitch dark road for another 15 minutes after that i was very optimistic and started kicking the bike with sky high confidence but soon it came to dust i thought something serious has happened to the bike and on other way i was also thinking that kari did not show any signs and how come she is not responding ...while thinking this i kicked the bike and slowly she came to life(like she has just arrived in this world) i was like ...put the gears on and rushed to home in triple digits....but still i am not able to understand strange behaviour of kari...xbhp members will you please throw some light on it
              I hope you're not just shutting the engine off after a speedy and long ride on highways, but you're shifting the bike into neutral letting it settle for few seconds and then turning it off. Are you doing this? If not, please try to adopt this habit.

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              • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                No worries. Its a unique Karizma characteristic.
                Next time when this happens, give the bike a 10min break and after that slowly keep turning the engine using the kicker, and when you feel compression, kick hard.

                The reason behind this is exhaust valve getting stuck in an open state, rendering the engine unable to maintain compression. I believe the cause of this is indirectly related to Kicker abuse, since had read that the auto decompressor's related to the exhaust valve. And as I've experienced before, improper use of the Kicker causes damage to the decompressor there fore indirectly causing the exhaust valve from seizing to close.

                Just my assumption. Its best psr sir explains this.
                It's unique characteristic of ZMA is best to coin. I've hardly used kicker for the last 10 months and I had faced the same issue twice. Did not try doing anything funny, gave some time and the issue disappeared.

                Originally posted by sunny_ View Post
                I hope you're not just shutting the engine off after a speedy and long ride on highways, but you're shifting the bike into neutral letting it settle for few seconds and then turning it off. Are you doing this? If not, please try to adopt this habit.
                I remember Bulls were told the same thing. I follow this every time during my road trip whether it holds good or not to my bike. I usually shut down atleast after 30secs.
                RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

                2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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                • Originally posted by Hackdrag View Post
                  Unique Karizma characteristic is too annoying in dense traffic.
                  Self start wont work.
                  I normally shake the bike and push bike forward and backward while holding clutch\neutral and disk brake .

                  I know its the problem with some valve. So I will do all possible way to make valve open

                  Then it will start.
                  It would be better to put the bike in gear and try moving it around.

                  Originally posted by AshMj View Post
                  Ashwin what is the proper way to kick start the bike???my kari never starts on first kick,i feel kick is so hard n that characteristic sound comes every time n it back kicks also...
                  2011 ZMA Kickstart - YouTube

                  *Note- After the dead kicks, I've turned on the ignition, but left out to focus it. Though, if you pay extra attention you can hear the ignition click @ 51sec's into the video.

                  *2nd Kick, slipped in between hence the 3rd Kick, was at a wrong stroke and caused the Kicker to seize in between.

                  Some people tend to literally KICK the kicker, and its wrong, it should actually be gently pushed with the leg. If instead of gently kicking, the kicker I would've kicked hard like some people do, instead of the kicker seizing, it would've kicked back and gave me a hyper extended knee. So be careful.

                  *Sorry for the shaky video, my tracks were loose so it got in the way, while I walked or tried to kick and made me loose my balance.

                  Originally posted by AshMj View Post
                  seriously bro it is so annoying..that characteristic just took all my stamina yesterday...it feels so helpless at that moment
                  Taken your stamina??? I think you are literally KICKING the hell out of the starter.
                  We should never do that, it'll cause more damage than you think, the kick starter is supposed to be gently but steadily pushed by the leg.

                  In the beginning I didnt know about this, and I believe thats what has resulted in my decompressor going kaput.

                  Originally posted by sunny_ View Post
                  I hope you're not just shutting the engine off after a speedy and long ride on highways, but you're shifting the bike into neutral letting it settle for few seconds and then turning it off. Are you doing this? If not, please try to adopt this habit.
                  +10000.
                  Motorcycling Experience:
                  2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                  2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                  2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                  2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                  2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                  2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                  The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                  Adios Comrades!
                  A.P. 2018

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                  • Originally posted by sunny_ View Post
                    I hope you're not just shutting the engine off after a speedy and long ride on highways, but you're shifting the bike into neutral letting it settle for few seconds and then turning it off. Are you doing this? If not, please try to adopt this habit.
                    yes sunny bhai i normally keep my bike idle for a minute or two before shutting off and after starting the bike...i am very obsessed with karizma ....last night i was slowing down and she started suffering
                    They couldn't see me but All they could hear is rustling sound...Always Game!!!

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                    • @ashwin. Hey that was so quick reply and with video too thank you now as you said kicker abuse can harm the decompresser and will lead to this exhaust valve problem but what about sriramEfunds's case he has not used kick from last 10 month????
                      They couldn't see me but All they could hear is rustling sound...Always Game!!!

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                      • Originally posted by AshMj View Post
                        @ashwin. Hey that was so quick reply and with video too thank you now as you said kicker abuse can harm the decompresser and will lead to this exhaust valve problem but what about sriramEfunds's case he has not used kick from last 10 month????
                        The BIKE is made of metal, and metal doesnt have the ability to recover from injuries. 10 Months or 10 years, no matter how long before the damage was done, once done it'll be there.

                        Anyways am also waiting for PSR sir's confirmation on the same.
                        If you observe my video you'll see that the 2nd and 3rd kicks are the after effects of the decompressor not working properly.
                        Motorcycling Experience:
                        2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                        2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                        2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                        2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                        2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                        2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                        The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                        Adios Comrades!
                        A.P. 2018

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                        • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                          It would be better to put the bike in gear and try moving it around.

                          Sorry I didn't mention on the last post.
                          I too use this technique.
                          Helmets On +
                          High-Beams Off And
                          Only Headphones I need is my Exhaust!!

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                          • After a long ride through ZMA threads

                            I adjusted the AFR [Air fuel Mixture] Screw on my

                            ZMA[2006]-Stock
                            Last AFR S settings was by HH ASC[Sai Motors,East End , Banglore]

                            The method I tried.
                            Step1 :Engine Running in [email protected]

                            Step2 :Turned screw genly in clockwise direction till engine was killed [This is the part I'm not clear]

                            Step3: Turned screw slowly in anit-clockwise direction 3 times[ ie. 3* 360Degree Turnes]

                            I did this settings for optimal Milage.

                            Result
                            Stable engine at low RPMs like 1KRPM
                            Good in cold start.
                            Noticable increase in performance.
                            Engine vibration and sound had increased when acclerating.
                            Fuel Efficency had dropped.[Didnt calculate exact]

                            Query

                            Am I running my Engine at Right settings?
                            Is Step1 in RPM for setting the
                            Is the Step2 The right way to find the zero value of the screw
                            Helmets On +
                            High-Beams Off And
                            Only Headphones I need is my Exhaust!!

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                            • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                              The BIKE is made of metal, and metal doesnt have the ability to recover from injuries. 10 Months or 10 years, no matter how long before the damage was done, once done it'll be there.

                              Anyways am also waiting for PSR sir's confirmation on the same.
                              If you observe my video you'll see that the 2nd and 3rd kicks are the after effects of the decompressor not working properly.
                              Could you please explain your post in lay man's language? I'm not able to understand a bit due to heavy English language used here i.e idioms, phrases here?

                              @AshMj - Chill. Don't have to worry too much on the issue reported here. Theoretically nothing can be done in the middle of the night in your case. This is issue is present and I'm living with it, however, just cropped up twice so far. With this I've taken couple of road trips consisting atleast 1500kms and nothing happened during my ride. Enjoy your ride.
                              RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

                              2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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                              • @ Ravi@17bhp ..
                                The method to set the AFR in ZMA is as follows.
                                1. Apply on the AFR screw , Brake oil,or WD40 or Zorrick and let it soak for 15 minutes.
                                2. Now try and turn the AFR screw...if it still stuck repeat procedure 1.till you get it to turn.
                                3. GENTLY Turn the AFR screw fully CLOCKWISE till it stops.
                                4. Now turn the screw ANTI Clockwise by 3.5 full turns.
                                This is a starting setting.If you have hesitation in acceleration with cold engine till 1 or 2 Kms it is ok, but after warm up ,if you continue to have the hesitation as well as the engine turning off when accelerating,turn the AFR screw another HALF turn ANTI CLOCK WISE....this should give you near perfect setting..
                                Regarding the sudden loss of compression..I guess older members had a detailed discussion on the probabilities in earlier posts...my guess is either the valves are getting sticky or the de-compression mechanism in the Cam is getting stuck in enabled condition...I had invariably found this to happen only after riding the bike for some time and stopping,and then trying to start it...esp., on a hot engine...
                                Last edited by psr; 04-14-2012, 08:29 PM.
                                When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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