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  • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
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    I will check tomorrow and revert back. And from previous posts I think what ashwin said is right ( unless it is the first batch of karizmas, pre R models).

    All manufacturers when they make the new versions try to rectify all issues faced in the previous ones. So I believe speedo error is a part of this. And they perfected it in 2011 models.

    The drawback is that we don't have adequate devices like gps to clarify this .
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    • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
      Yes' bro. But now am trying to pin point the exact reason for the error.
      Im still confused, cause both you and psr sir, are using 9ah batteries, so even that may have a play in this issue.
      Al the best for your experiments.

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      • Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post
        Al the best for your experiments.
        Lol, Thanks, guess this'd keep me occupied till college starts again.
        And here's another info guys.



        The stock chain guard weigh's 3Kg's i.e even with me supporting most of its weight to prevent it from falling.
        Motorcycling Experience:
        2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
        2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
        2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
        2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
        2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
        2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

        The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
        Adios Comrades!
        A.P. 2018

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        • Ashwin a Speedo error is when the actual speed is different from indicated speed on the meter...When a engine is revved in neutral and at standstill condition , and the speedo shows as if the vehicle is in motion,it is an Electronics fault, and it need not become an error under actual use...
          The movement of speedo needle is due to poor decoupling in the circuit and less noise immunity..if you ask me to explain this here, Xbhp is not the forum as it involves electronics circuits and decoupling of power rail noise .
          When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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          • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
            All zma users. Please rev your bike till 7k in neutral and observe whether the speedo needle jumps to 20~30 and please post results along with bike's year of make.

            Mine.
            NO DOESN'T JUMP. 2011 Model.


            No Doesn't Jump mine is 2010 Model its in zero only.

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            • Originally posted by Akshaysharma View Post
              No Doesn't Jump mine is 2010 Model its in zero only.
              Strange . Did you purchase you'r ZMA somewhere during the 3rd/4th quarter of 2010..???
              Have you changed anything bro, like speedo assembly etc???
              And whats the top speed you've achieved on you'r bike till date.

              Abit OT.
              When I was waiting at the SVC to give my bike for 3rd service about 2 months ago. I met a ZMA owner, ageing around 60~70Yrs, he was an Ex-Navy guy cause he had it written in his rear number plate.
              We talked a while and he said he owned an Enfield too and said that he bought ZMA cause it was more comfortable and all that, all this while I was assuming that his bike might've been a 2009~2010 model but was shocked when he said he bought it around the same time I did, so I took a closer look and his bike was a hybrid bike, some of the parts were pre2011 and some where the newer type. When asked him about it, he said that he'd got the bike like that itself.
              BTW that uncle had a KL16 number plate he came all the way from Attingal just to service his bike, it had some prob with battery or something, the bike wouldnt start on kick/self it had to be jump started every time it stalled.
              Motorcycling Experience:
              2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
              2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
              2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
              2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
              2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
              2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

              The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
              Adios Comrades!
              A.P. 2018

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              • @Ashwin :- As you go through the fact findings, just to share knowledge, speedo error caliberation might have been narrowed with recent models but again accuracy is something still far. I've done 120+ kmph only once and it's hard to go back to company stating that bike did not rev past 120+, because they might have tested with parameters unknown to us. Even if you succeed in finding the world of difference between new model and yester year model, you'll be surprised that there is still speedo error on new models.
                You can go ahead with your experiment if you have ample time to spare.

                I would just advise you enjoy your spare time riding the bike like me and not introspecting the bike now and then. I'm a satisfied ZMA rider, done three long rides and have not complained even the 1/3rd of issues you have reported. I can talk about how long ride with ZMA more than how much time had spent in garage.

                Note:- I've not tested the rev in neutral yet. Shall post result when possible.


                @All:- It's good to see many come up with pointers and discussing the new findings. But, would also request you to enjoy your rides by taking for a trip. This bike is more to offer than just a experimenting machine. The bike is more of a reliable tourer which is realized when you happen to take her out and not just admiring the beauty in the home parking lot.
                RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

                2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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                • Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
                  I would just advise you enjoy your spare time riding the bike like me and not introspecting the bike now and then. I'm a satisfied ZMA rider, done three long rides and have not complained even the 1/3rd of issues you have reported. I can talk about how long ride with ZMA more than how much time had spent in garage.

                  @All:- It's good to see many come up with pointers and discussing the new findings. But, would also request you to enjoy your rides by taking for a trip. This bike is more to offer than just a experimenting machine. The bike is more of a reliable tourer which is realized when you happen to take her out and not just admiring the beauty in the home parking lot.
                  i had noticed the problem earlier on when I bought the bike, but I am into enjoying the ride rather than tampering with areas that do not contribute to performance..If the Speedo, RPM.panel lights,and digital display all don't work I will be least bothered..but I will be if something connected with engine comes to my notice...
                  Like Mr.Sriram says let us enjoy the bike ,and what it has to offer,and not keep meddling with it..
                  When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                  • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                    Strange . Did you purchase you'r ZMA somewhere during the 3rd/4th quarter of 2010..???
                    Have you changed anything bro, like speedo assembly etc???
                    And whats the top speed you've achieved on you'r bike till date.


                    Mine is 4 aug 2010 bike is totally stock nothing has been changed and while reading your older post that about 9amh battery used i am using stock 7amh battery but it is little discharged may be full or bigger size battery can be the cause for the problem(just my thought) . I have gone up to 120 but had to slow down due to traffic and after that had got chance to check the top speed.
                    Last edited by Akshaysharma; 11-25-2011, 10:30 PM.

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                    • got it in mumbai after a lot of effort and gonna change it tmmrw got this for 270rs as it was printed with no discounts ..its a 05/10/11 packing...
                      Last edited by siddhesh; 11-25-2011, 11:15 PM. Reason: repost

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                      • Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
                        @Ashwin :- As you go through the fact findings, just to share knowledge, speedo error caliberation might have been narrowed with recent models but again accuracy is something still far. I've done 120+ kmph only once and it's hard to go back to company stating that bike did not rev past 120+, because they might have tested with parameters unknown to us. Even if you succeed in finding the world of difference between new model and yester year model, you'll be surprised that there is still speedo error on new models.
                        You can go ahead with your experiment if you have ample time to spare.

                        I would just advise you enjoy your spare time riding the bike like me and not introspecting the bike now and then. I'm a satisfied ZMA rider, done three long rides and have not complained even the 1/3rd of issues you have reported. I can talk about how long ride with ZMA more than how much time had spent in garage.

                        Note:- I've not tested the rev in neutral yet. Shall post result when possible.


                        @All:- It's good to see many come up with pointers and discussing the new findings. But, would also request you to enjoy your rides by taking for a trip. This bike is more to offer than just a experimenting machine. The bike is more of a reliable tourer which is realized when you happen to take her out and not just admiring the beauty in the home parking lot.
                        I understand sir, but unlike you guys I've got the least experience when it comes to bike's, infact I learn't to ride a bike from the internet and my ZMA's literally the first bike I ever rode alone(from SVC to home after purchase.). Now people may argue about the cycle balance part . I got my cycle after getting the ZMA , and Aneesh knows, the day I purchased my cycle I couldnt ride it back home, so he was the one who did it for me.

                        But above all that, I like to master everything I come across i.e the things I find interesting . It was the same reason I got my cylinder kit replaced, cause I wanted to see what was actually inside my ride, and the impacts I've caused to it from my riding style .

                        About the complaining part, I'm the only one whose complained about my ride . Aneesh bro,Harish bro, Sarin bro..... theres a long list of people who've ridden my ZMA and none of them ever found anything wrong with it not even fairing vibes and that to even on the day just before handing over the bike to SVC, infact they've only felt mine to be at its prime comparing the rest.

                        Originally posted by psr View Post
                        i had noticed the problem earlier on when I bought the bike, but I am into enjoying the ride rather than tampering with areas that do not contribute to performance..If the Speedo, RPM.panel lights,and digital display all don't work I will be least bothered..but I will be if something connected with engine comes to my notice...
                        Like Mr.Sriram says let us enjoy the bike ,and what it has to offer,and not keep meddling with it..
                        I enjoy my ride sir, but am not going to make the same mistake my dad made with the Kiney , am going to fix and understand every single part of the bike before its too late . Its pointless in keeping something for later cause then we'd be confused where to start , if you think thats hell, then wait till the product gets phased out . I believe there's no need or me to keep going cause you already know the pain, since you own a KB.

                        Originally posted by Akshaysharma View Post
                        Mine is 4 aug 2010 bike is totally stock nothing has been changed and while reading your older post that about 9amh battery used i am using stock 7amh battery but it is little discharged may be full or bigger size battery can be the cause for the problem(just my thought) . I have gone up to 120 but had to slow down due to traffic and after that had got chance to check the top speed.
                        Battery's innocent bro, as psr sir recently said, it just gives more/less idle voltage and hence has no play in the speedo error(hope I explained it right. ).
                        So I guess ZMA's from the 3rd quarter of 2010 doesnt have the speedo error.
                        Motorcycling Experience:
                        2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                        2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                        2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                        2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                        2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                        2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                        The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                        Adios Comrades!
                        A.P. 2018

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                        • Originally posted by siddhesh View Post
                          got it in mumbai after a lot of effort and gonna change it tmmrw got this for 270rs as it was printed with no discounts ..its a 05/10/11 packing...
                          Here we get it at a discount price of 220 or 200, i.e depending on our luck.

                          Motorcycling Experience:
                          2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                          2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                          2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                          2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                          2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                          2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                          The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                          Adios Comrades!
                          A.P. 2018

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                          • Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
                            @Ashwin :- As you go through the fact findings, just to share knowledge, speedo error caliberation might have been narrowed with recent models but again accuracy is something still far. I've done 120+ kmph only once and it's hard to go back to company stating that bike did not rev past 120+, because they might have tested with parameters unknown to us. Even if you succeed in finding the world of difference between new model and yester year model, you'll be surprised that there is still speedo error on new models.
                            You can go ahead with your experiment if you have ample time to spare.

                            I would just advise you enjoy your spare time riding the bike like me and not introspecting the bike now and then. I'm a satisfied ZMA rider, done three long rides and have not complained even the 1/3rd of issues you have reported. I can talk about how long ride with ZMA more than how much time had spent in garage.

                            Note:- I've not tested the rev in neutral yet. Shall post result when possible.


                            @All:- It's good to see many come up with pointers and discussing the new findings. But, would also request you to enjoy your rides by taking for a trip. This bike is more to offer than just a experimenting machine. The bike is more of a reliable tourer which is realized when you happen to take her out and not just admiring the beauty in the home parking lot.
                            Originally posted by psr View Post
                            i had noticed the problem earlier on when I bought the bike, but I am into enjoying the ride rather than tampering with areas that do not contribute to performance..If the Speedo, RPM.panel lights,and digital display all don't work I will be least bothered..but I will be if something connected with engine comes to my notice...
                            Like Mr.Sriram says let us enjoy the bike ,and what it has to offer,and not keep meddling with it..
                            Agree entirely !!
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                            • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                              infact I learn't to ride a bike from the internet and my ZMA's literally the first bike I ever rode alone(from SVC to home after purchase.).
                              Reminds me of my doing a wheelie out of the showroom on to the road on my RX100. My cousin who was behind me got off and took an auto to my house .
                              But above all that, I like to master everything I come across i.e the things I find interesting . It was the same reason I got my cylinder kit replaced, cause I wanted to see what was actually inside my ride, and the impacts I've caused to it from my riding style .
                              Stripped my RX within two years with my friend (B.Tech.-Mech and mech/bike minded ) just 'cause I thought sumthing's loose inside !! Just like it happened when I was @ 7 - 8 years old and opened my mom's watch , something got left behind when we put it together ( nothing important - just a bush to hold the engine case in place ). It ran superbly for 12 more years before I () sold it for lack of funds to buy a P180 .
                              About the complaining part, I'm the only one whose complained about my ride . Aneesh bro,Harish bro, Sarin bro..... theres a long list of people who've ridden my ZMA and none of them ever found anything wrong with it not even fairing vibes and that to even on the day just before handing over the bike to SVC, infact they've only felt mine to be at its prime comparing the rest.
                              Ditto with me ! Anyone who took my RX for a spin just complained only about the brakes ! I was using both brakes and others were afraid to touch the RX's front brakes - not without reason ! I always noted the sound of the rear shox , the vibes from the rear number plate and the speedo cluster , the pathetic 6v 25w headlight ( later converted to 12v 35w and bullet type sealed beam) and things like that .


                              I enjoy my ride sir, but am not going to make the same mistake my dad made with the Kiney , am going to fix and understand every single part of the bike before its too late . Its pointless in keeping something for later cause then we'd be confused where to start , if you think thats hell, then wait till the product gets phased out . I believe there's no need or me to keep going cause you already know the pain, since you own a KB.
                              Gaining knowledge about your possession is one thing , but being paranoid thinking about what will happen if it get phased out is quite another . I have a Fiat Palio GTX 1.6 ( old model ) and frequently I have to order things which are either not available at the service center ( remember , older fiat Palio-s are not officially supported at any Fiat SVC ) or are too costly . Those things I have to get mainly from Mumbai . My car is just like the ZMA R - hard to keep in top condition , but when in top condition both of them gives me NIRVANA . I'm still clinging on to it - with forums like this one you can be sure help is not afar .
                              I wrote all this in a positive way , hope you take it that way . As asked by SriramEfunds and psr , dont let your concern about the bike get in the way of your enjoying your steed !


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                              • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                                I understand sir, but unlike you guys I've got the least experience when it comes to bike's, infact I learn't to ride a bike from the internet and my ZMA's literally the first bike I ever rode alone(from SVC to home after purchase.). Now people may argue about the cycle balance part . I got my cycle after getting the ZMA , and Aneesh knows, the day I purchased my cycle I couldnt ride it back home, so he was the one who did it for me.

                                But above all that, I like to master everything I come across i.e the things I find interesting . It was the same reason I got my cylinder kit replaced, cause I wanted to see what was actually inside my ride, and the impacts I've caused to it from my riding style .

                                About the complaining part, I'm the only one whose complained about my ride . Aneesh bro,Harish bro, Sarin bro..... theres a long list of people who've ridden my ZMA and none of them ever found anything wrong with it not even fairing vibes and that to even on the day just before handing over the bike to SVC, infact they've only felt mine to be at its prime comparing the rest.



                                I enjoy my ride sir, but am not going to make the same mistake my dad made with the Kiney , am going to fix and understand every single part of the bike before its too late . Its pointless in keeping something for later cause then we'd be confused where to start , if you think thats hell, then wait till the product gets phased out . I believe there's no need or me to keep going cause you already know the pain, since you own a KB.
                                Ashwin, the point I would like to make is, none could become a master by sitting down with machine. It takes time and experience to master any. I understand your crave for learning, however, you should not be missing the big picture of actually enjoying the pure bliss of riding which is only felt when you ride it.
                                If you are having academic holidays shortly or something, take a trip with her.
                                RX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011

                                2012 - Meghamalai | Kuttralam | 2011 Ooty | Munnar | 2010 Point Calimere | Horsley Hills | Yercaud

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