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  • Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
    I ain't 'G' of genius. It's barely 6 months where I'm into 4joke, sorry 4 stroke section.
    I would say is it good for you in a way. Its more addictive than .. (left for your imagination).
    It sure is addictive -
    Originally posted by Vishakh View Post
    i think its custom made, isn,t it?
    if it's not I'd like to have it .
    Originally posted by vineeth areth View Post
    hey check this out
    Yeah - but whose bike is that ??
    Originally posted by Vishakh View Post
    Ashwins crash guard hits the mud guard ASFAIK.
    That's why I want the 3rd guard .
    Originally posted by Above_All View Post

    Thanks for ZMA owners manual , now please upload ZMR owners Manual please ... And if you have Karizma-R owners manual also then please upload it too...
    I believe the one I uploaded earlier is the one of ZMA R

    Get ZMR Owners Manual here
    http://www.mediafire.com/?s7rb4z2zqunmegp


    Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post



    Yup... With a total load of 180Kg's and hard braking from 120 to 0 flat, the 'U Clamp' kisses the front mud guard. But no worries, cause it can be overcome by reversing the position of the U Clamp,
    But then I think the 'U' will hit the mud guard .
    but I didint do it yet, cause I kinda fell in love with the thud sound you hear when that happens.
    He he - but will you love the rustle of paper money which you'll have to pay when it breaks ??

    Sir, from a recent talk I had with a friend who owns an Oil company, I've learnt that the colour of oil's have nothing to do with the performance, Its just a colour code used for identifying the oil. Current code is.
    2T - Green.
    4T - Red.

    the same oil I purchase from Gulf retail outlet is also red.
    May be the oil specs have something to do with color - may be they add different color to different spec oil so that the ignorant guys at SVC can understand it easier.
    Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
    Hehe... Beware Sir, this is what happens to 2Strokers who dis-respect 4Strokes.
    Dont disrespect any bikers - 2 strokes have the best power to weight ratio - and the go is intoxicating . RX 100 / RX 135 /Fury 175 etc has its fan following . The 1st 2 are getting near classic status while the 3rd is almost extinct . It was the silent killer !!
    Originally posted by Vishakh View Post

    Well one thing about HH ads is that they dont make any sense both ZMA and ZMR ads . ZMR ad is worse chasing a tornado to get a cap the moment Hrithik catches it the sky gets clear . Bajaj is far ahead in making ads.
    They can be as funny as they like as long as they make good bikes
    Last edited by acs1207; 10-16-2011, 08:51 AM.
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    • Originally posted by acs1207 View Post

      I believe the one I uploaded earlier is the one of ZMA R

      Get ZMR Owners Manual here
      zma.pdf

      Both links you posted previously & now are same of Karizma Owners manual not the ZMR manual .. Can you please share link of ZMR owners manual


      Originally posted by acs1207 View Post
      Dont disrespect any bikers - 2 strokes have the best power to weight ratio - and the go is intoxicating . RX 100 / RX 135 /Fury 175 etc has its fan following . The 1st 2 are getting near classic status while the 3rd is almost extinct . It was the silent killer !!
      Yes those 2 strokes are really good RX100 , RX135 & Max100R from suzuki .

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      • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
        And you'r right about the expanding part, but the difference is, that when it expands the extra gap gets filled up and hence no sound. The valve noise/tappet noise is'nt caused by the expansion of valves. Its caused by the thingis inside the valves comming up and down and hitting the tappet adjuster nut. So when hot the thingis get longer and so does the tapet adjuster nut, hence sound reduces. We had a practial session of the above when we did the DIY on my ride. Since the TDC part messed us up, we had to make our own calculations and for that we had to frequently power on and off the engine, and everytime the engine started getting hot the sound started to reduce, we could clearly hear everything cause the tank was off.
        The tappet noise increases with heat and reduces with colder condition..which is why tappet adjustment(Valve clearance) should be done on a COLD engine and not a hot engine.Expansion of metal with heat leads to increasing GAP between them...Piston slap noise,gear noise etc., increase with heat,they don't decrease with heat, and you will always hear the engine to be noisy when hot, not when cold.
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        • Originally posted by psr View Post
          The tappet noise increases with heat and reduces with colder condition..which is why tappet adjustment(Valve clearance) should be done on a COLD engine and not a hot engine.Expansion of metal with heat leads to increasing GAP between them...Piston slap noise,gear noise etc., increase with heat,they don't decrease with heat, and you will always hear the engine to be noisy when hot, not when cold.
          +10...
          Couldn't resist posting
          And Ashwin I guess you may now find a bit low performance than before adjusting the valve clearance,am I right?Actually the correct method is to set the piston at TDC of compression stroke,just after the inlet valve closes,and then adjustment is done.Tappets should always be adjusted when the engine is cold,reason explained by Psr sir!

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          D.I.Y-RTR180 brake fluid replacing/brake bleeding
          D.I.Y-RTR180 brake pad replacing/cleaning
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          • Originally posted by psr View Post
            The tappet noise increases with heat and reduces with colder condition..which is why tappet adjustment(Valve clearance) should be done on a COLD engine and not a hot engine.Expansion of metal with heat leads to increasing GAP between them...Piston slap noise,gear noise etc., increase with heat,they don't decrease with heat, and you will always hear the engine to be noisy when hot, not when cold.
            I know sir, that you'r technically right, but when comming to the tappet clearance my experience proves the above statement wrong. I may be mistaken and if yes, please do correct me.
            The expansion of metals causes gap betweem them, agreed. But dont they expand equally under similiar conditions. OK, if by chance they dont expand equally, but still the thingi below the tapet adjuster nut and the tapet adjuster nut expands in a conntradicting way right??? Then also the sound should decrease not increase.

            And sir, here's one more theory which may or maynot be right, correct me if im wrong.

            The tappets are adjusted at cold temp cause when tried to adjust at hot there wont be any clearance i.e if the gap was just a minor one. Else there would be an in correct gap, which would result in loss of performance.

            Originally posted by Drifty View Post
            +10...
            Couldn't resist posting
            And Ashwin I guess you may now find a bit low performance than before adjusting the valve clearance,am I right?Actually the correct method is to set the piston at TDC of compression stroke,just after the inlet valve closes,and then adjustment is done.Tappets should always be adjusted when the engine is cold,reason explained by Psr sir!
            Nope bro, I believe you'r refering to overtightening the adjuster nut because the engine was warm, which causes improper opening and closing of the valves, even we expected that issue to surface, but somehow it didnt. The performance of the bike was way better, thats how I was able to clock 125~130Kmph the day before handing over the bike to Harish bro.
            Motorcycling Experience:
            2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
            2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
            2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
            2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
            2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
            2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

            The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
            Adios Comrades!
            A.P. 2018

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            • Originally posted by Drifty View Post
              +10...
              Couldn't resist posting
              And Ashwin I guess you may now find a bit low performance than before adjusting the valve clearance,am I right?Actually the correct method is to set the piston at TDC of compression stroke,just after the inlet valve closes,and then adjustment is done.Tappets should always be adjusted when the engine is cold,reason explained by Psr sir!
              there is no rule that the tappet clearence should be set only at tdc , tappets should be set when the rocker arms are free and not engaged by the cam lobes , it is advised to bring the piston to the tdc before setting the tappets as at tdc the cam doesnt engage any of the rocker arms and hence the tappets are free , allowing to set the clearence accurately , during the inlet and exhaust stroke the cam engages only one of the valves hence you can set the other tappet which is not engaged
              Kawasaki KB100/enduro/125 substitute parts list http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/508615-post105.html

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              • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                I know sir, that you'r technically right, but when comming to the tappet clearance my experience proves the above statement wrong. I may be mistaken and if yes, please do correct me.
                The expansion of metals causes gap betweem them, agreed. But dont they expand equally under similiar conditions. OK, if by chance they dont expand equally, but still the thingi below the tapet adjuster nut and the tapet adjuster nut expands in a conntradicting way right??? Then also the sound should decrease not increase.

                And sir, here's one more theory which may or maynot be right, correct me if im wrong.

                The tappets are adjusted at cold temp cause when tried to adjust at hot there wont be any clearance i.e if the gap was just a minor one. Else there would be an in correct gap, which would result in loss of performance.



                Nope bro, I believe you'r refering to overtightening the adjuster nut because the engine was warm, which causes improper opening and closing of the valves, even we expected that issue to surface, but somehow it didnt. The performance of the bike was way better, thats how I was able to clock 125~130Kmph the day before handing over the bike to Harish bro.
                Ashwin the reason for adjusting tappets at cold is that one can never adjust it when engine is hot, nobody wants burns on their hands . Just kidding the real reason is that if adjusted when hot after the engine gets cold the metals get contracted and thus the valves will get over tight and may lead to cracks on valve. Its better to have a loose valve than an over tightened one

                If the tappets are loose slightly your top end will increase that's what is in your case . If its too tight top end will decrease
                Cheetahs are faster but the lion is still the KING

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                • Originally posted by Vishakh View Post
                  Ashwin the reason for adjusting tappets at cold is that one can never adjust it when engine is hot, nobody wants burns on their hands . Just kidding the real reason is that if adjusted when hot after the engine gets cold the metals get contracted and thus the valves will get over tight and may lead to cracks on valve. Its better to have a loose valve than an over tightened one

                  If the tappets are loose slightly your top end will increase that's what is in your case . If its too tight top end will decrease
                  care to explain the bold parts
                  Kawasaki KB100/enduro/125 substitute parts list http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/508615-post105.html

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                  • Originally posted by kb100 View Post
                    care to explain the bold parts
                    http://www.dansmc.com/ please visit

                    to be specific try this link http://www.dansmc.com/valveclearence.htm
                    Last edited by Vishakh; 10-16-2011, 08:45 AM.
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                    • Went to svc yesterday,The replaced with New Ignition key,New T-Stem,Bearings,T-Bar,Handle Bar and New ZMA-R's front fender but used my old clamps to fit it ,so its not perfectly fixed,need to order the clamps and do it myself!

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                      • Originally posted by Above_All View Post
                        Both links you posted previously & now are same of Karizma Owners manual not the ZMR manual .. Can you please share link of ZMR owners manual
                        .
                        OOps

                        here it is

                        zmr manual.pdf
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                        • @ acs1207

                          Bro edit and remove those broken/wrong links.

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                          • Originally posted by Vishakh View Post
                            you need to read more buddy,

                            i dont know how you came to the conclusion that adjusting the tappets when hot causes the valves to contract and crack , adjusting the tappets too tightly does keep the valve open when they are supposed to be open this leads to loss of compression and so the bike wont start, or will lead to loss in power when hot, valves are closed by valve springs , not by tappets or cam , so dont worry , the valves wont crack any time soon

                            "If the tappets are loose slightly your top end will increase that's what is in your case . If its too tight top end will decrease"

                            the truth is on the contrary there will be slight increase in accleration when the tappets are set precisely or a little under the clearance specified ... i set the tappets on aswins bike myself using a feeler gauge and all the tools specified and i double checked it myself followed by ashwin and aneesh , so do not worry the tappet clearances are in spec

                            dont believe everything you read in the net , there is plenty of hogwash floating in there , i suggest you start reading some books if you are that intrested in it , automobile engg by kirpal singh Vol 1 and 2 are good starting points you can buy them from 2nd hand book dealers in palayam if you are good at bargaining you can get both the vols for about 250/-
                            Kawasaki KB100/enduro/125 substitute parts list http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/508615-post105.html

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                            • Originally posted by Vishakh View Post
                              Ashwin the reason for adjusting tappets at cold is that one can never adjust it when engine is hot, nobody wants burns on their hands . Just kidding the real reason is that if adjusted when hot after the engine gets cold the metals get contracted and thus the valves will get over tight and may lead to cracks on valve. Its better to have a loose valve than an over tightened one

                              If the tappets are loose slightly your top end will increase that's what is in your case . If its too tight top end will decrease
                              Bro, you'r royally confused.
                              Take a look at the pics in the tappet DIY thread and you'll get a somewhat clear picture of how things work.

                              If the tapet adjuster's overtight nothing will happen, other than the bike refusing to start, due to closure of the respective valve, thats what happened to us first, and we were clueless, only when Sarin bro came along and explained the technical details we understood the reason behind it.

                              If a persons hands would've got burned when setting at hot then I guess KB100's now typing with his feet. Because during the DIY due to the TDC letting us down we had to do it manually and hence he had to do the setting even after we fired the engine a couple of rounds.
                              For an experienced person, the clearance is adjustable even when the engines abit hot. Though not recommended.
                              Motorcycling Experience:
                              2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                              2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                              2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                              2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                              2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                              2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                              The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                              Adios Comrades!
                              A.P. 2018

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                              • Originally posted by kb100 View Post
                                you need to read more buddy,

                                i dont know how you came to the conclusion that adjusting the tappets when hot causes the valves to contract and crack , adjusting the tappets too tightly does keep the valve open when they are supposed to be open this leads to loss of compression and so the bike wont start, or will lead to loss in power when hot, valves are closed by valve springs , not by tappets or cam , so dont worry , the valves wont crack any time soon

                                "If the tappets are loose slightly your top end will increase that's what is in your case . If its too tight top end will decrease"

                                the truth is on the contrary there will be slight increase in accleration when the tappets are set precisely or a little under the clearance specified ... i set the tappets on aswins bike myself using a feeler gauge and all the tools specified and i double checked it myself followed by ashwin and aneesh , so do not worry the tappet clearances are in spec

                                dont believe everything you read in the net , there is plenty of hogwash floating in there , i suggest you start reading some books if you are that intrested in it , automobile engg by kirpal singh Vol 1 and 2 are good starting points you can buy them from 2nd hand book dealers in palayam if you are good at bargaining you can get both the vols for about 250/-
                                Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                                Bro, you'r royally confused.
                                Take a look at the pics in the tappet DIY thread and you'll get a somewhat clear picture of how things work.

                                If the tapet adjuster's overtight nothing will happen, other than the bike refusing to start, due to closure of the respective valve, thats what happened to us first, and we were clueless, only when Sarin bro came along and explained the technical details we understood the reason behind it.

                                If a persons hands would've got burned when setting at hot then I guess KB100's now typing with his feet. Because during the DIY due to the TDC letting us down we had to do it manually and hence he had to do the setting even after we fired the engine a couple of rounds.
                                For an experienced person, the clearance is adjustable even when the engines abit hot. Though not recommended.
                                Thanks for correcting me. Knowledge upgraded .
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