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  • I did the AFR tuning when the bike was at idle. Rode it and checked if it was responding as I needed and checked the spark plug as well to know if it was running lean/rich.

    I have currently kept AFR at 3.5 turns exactly as how PSR has mentioned. Idle rpm for my bike is 1200 rpm. Not sure if its high/low, but I'm comfortable with it.
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    • Originally posted by jpZMA View Post
      Sir, my carburetor is stock tuned, I am getting an average 35 km/l. Does any modification affect fuel efficiency?
      anyway what is the recommended turns of AFR screw? 3 or 3.5 ?
      Can I use 55/60w bulbs in my 6ah battery?
      Any change to the AFR will affect the FE...A AFR setting of 3.5 turns Anti Clockwise is slightly rich and you will get around 32 Kms in city and about 42 on highway...The engine will not heat up and low to mid RPM range will be good in acceleration . 2.5 turns is meant for FE and you are likely to have cold start problem and engine heating.
      For my riding style I prefer 4~3.5.
      Originally posted by jpZMA View Post
      usually i ride between 4-5k, sometimes in the highway i accelerate beyond 6k. As advised by psr sir, I always avoid for sudden acceleration too.

      Some of our xbhp friends are getting FE more than 40. what may be the reason. please advice me bro.
      Like i said before a lean AFR with 2.5~2 turns will give better FE but poor low and mid acceleration.Engine heat will also be more.

      Originally posted by jpZMA View Post
      Yes bro I too feel the same, but I am quiet sure for that as I have tested a lot of times.

      @All, please post neat step by step procedure for AFR setting for ZMA 2012

      I have already searched different posts in this forum, but confused.

      from PSR sir's previous post on 9th aug 2011: "Turn the afr screw clockwise Gently till it stops...then turn it anti-clockwise by 4 full 360 degrees turn....If you want FE turn it clockwise by one full turn from this position .."

      ​please let us know whether we have to do this in engine-off and stock idle RPM setting or not ?

      Thanks in advance.
      The way to set it up is as follows...
      for better FE...35 Kms or above..
      1. Turn AFR screw Clockwise GENTLY till it stops.
      2. Turn AFR screw ANTI CLOCKWISE by 2.5 turns .
      3. Start engine and warm it up by either idling for 10 minutes or take a ride for 5 Kms.
      4. Set idling RPM at 1,500.
      For better Low and Mid acceleration: with FE of 32~35
      1. Repeat step 1 as above.
      2. turn AFR screw Anti Clockwise by 3.5 Turns.
      3. warm up engine and set Idle RPM at 1,400.~1,500.

      For increase in FE overall,
      1. change Spark plug to NGK DPR 8 EGP " G " Power plug
      2. use thinner 10W30 engine oil...This will ofcourse increase engine temperature and rough running..compared to 15 or 20 w40.
      3. Ensure you have a clean Air Filter and replace Air Filter every 8 K kms, more in dusty environment.
      4. Change Spark Plug every 12~10 k kms.
      Last edited by psr; 10-31-2012, 02:28 PM.
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      • Originally posted by krish View Post
        I did the AFR tuning when the bike was at idle. Rode it and checked if it was responding as I needed and checked the spark plug as well to know if it was running lean/rich.

        I have currently kept AFR at 3.5 turns exactly as how PSR has mentioned. Idle rpm for my bike is 1200 rpm. Not sure if its high/low, but I'm comfortable with it.
        Hello Krish what method are you using to check the fuel efficiency, to check it accurately there is a not to easy way by using a drip can that we use in hospitals. if you dont know how it is I can explain later and if you know this method the check it that way, we used to check FE of customers this way when I was working in Honda2wheelers. Cheers

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        • New Zma rider

          I recently got myself a 2009 ZMA. I would like your suggestions on maintaining the bike well.

          The HID high beam is not working, which brand do you suggest I shift too?
          The chain sproket was changed recently, however there still some noise, would a chain tensioner slove the issue?
          The previous owner has installed K&N filter, not sure how long I can run these filters!
          Which oil is best suited for ZMA.
          How to reduce the front fairing rattleing?

          Appreciate your help. TIA.

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          • Originally posted by kernel32 View Post
            I recently got myself a 2009 ZMA. I would like your suggestions on maintaining the bike well.

            The HID high beam is not working, which brand do you suggest I shift too?
            The chain sproket was changed recently, however there still some noise, would a chain tensioner slove the issue?
            The previous owner has installed K&N filter, not sure how long I can run these filters!
            Which oil is best suited for ZMA.
            How to reduce the front fairing rattleing?

            Appreciate your help. TIA.
            congrats on your new bike buddy.
            hope the link helps you on the fairing rattling issue.
            Karizma R

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            • Originally posted by nithin2767 View Post
              congrats on your new bike buddy.
              hope the link helps you on the fairing rattling issue.
              http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tml#post887329
              Nice work . When my fairing starts to fall off I will be trying this for sure.
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              • Originally posted by rajdiceman View Post
                Guys , I found that MOTUL 20w50 4T Engine is better long drive with continues speed 100 kmph+ engine creates less heat compared to Castrol power 1 . As i have fitted an UNI aftermarket Air filter in my zma during both oil . But happy with MOTUL performance now .
                Second that.. Brilliant oil on the highway!
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                • Two days ago I changed my bikes engine oil to 20W40 Gulf 4T plus for 270 rs and its showing marked difference, engine clatter has reduced gearshifts became more smooth and reduced engine temperature.
                  My bike is just under a month old and after the first service my FE decreased considerably and few hours ago checked AFR setting to find out that it was set at 5 turn instead of 3.5 now I have changed it and will see whats the difference tomorrow.

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                  • PSR Sir, SriRam Sir, Arun Sir, Ashwin bro, Aneesh bro

                    I am doing a Kol-Puri-Kol trip next weekend. I'd like to ask about what things to check? Currently Motul 7100 100% synthese is poured and has still got some life. The bike will be running continuously for 700kms(one way distance), in 80-120 kph range, with some natural breaks.

                    What other things will you suggest to look upon?

                    PSR ji and SriRam ji, One personal question, when doing long continuous fast trips alone, what tire pressure do you keep? Weather: slight cold in morning, humid. Road condition: Almost perfect. How frequent do you keep refueling(full n full or something else)?

                    SriRam Sir, your idea on phone was absolutely correct, I thought upon, and now I'm arranging riding gears one by one. Got A* riding gloves(dupli :P). Next is a good jacket.

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                    • Originally posted by sunny_ View Post
                      I'd like to ask about what things to check? Currently Motul 7100 100% synthese is poured and has still got some life. The bike will be running continuously for 700kms(one way distance), in 80-120 kph range, with some natural breaks.
                      What other things will you suggest to look upon?
                      Check Accelerator cables,clutch cables,brake pads,rear brake and also check oil level.

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                      • Originally posted by sunny_ View Post
                        I am doing a Kol-Puri-Kol trip next weekend....What other things will you suggest to look upon?
                        Engine Oil:- I'm not sure how much has your bike run with Motul 7100. If you had done say less than 2k till now, then go ahead but do check for oil level periodically.

                        Tyre pressure:- Unless you are on Nitrogen, do keep a point less as the tyre tends to gain due to friction. FYI...check/fill air (normal) only in cold condition.

                        Riding gears:- Armored Riding Jacket, Helmet (good one), knee guards and denim pants (least):- Please borrow from someone else if you don't have one. These should be part of checklist for any tourer.

                        Tip:- Keep someone updated on every milestone so that it helps to track just incase.
                        Whenever going on tour, always remember that you'll need to reach destination safe.
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                        • Yesterday there was a serious problem with me.
                          After installing G-Power (DPR8EGP-9) i rode 200 kms in 2 days without any issue, but yesterday evening after 25 kms riding I parked my bike near a shopping mall. after return, i.e. after 1 hour when i started, it didn't starts at all even if with the choke. I took my bike to a roadside mechanic, when he press the self-start, the bike starts in first attempt. I got surprised, i asked him for the inspection of spark plug, he told me that was properly mounted & there was no issue.
                          again today morning when i started my bike, there was same problem. so I changed my plug to stock one & the bike is back to its life.
                          What may be the problem ??

                          My G-Power (DPR8EGP-9) plug is here

                          Originally posted by psr View Post
                          The way to set it up is as follows...
                          for better FE...35 Kms or above..
                          1. Turn AFR screw Clockwise GENTLY till it stops.
                          2. Turn AFR screw ANTI CLOCKWISE by 2.5 turns .
                          3. Start engine and warm it up by either idling for 10 minutes or take a ride for 5 Kms.
                          4. Set idling RPM at 1,500.
                          For better Low and Mid acceleration: with FE of 32~35
                          1. Repeat step 1 as above.
                          2. turn AFR screw Anti Clockwise by 3.5 Turns.
                          3. warm up engine and set Idle RPM at 1,400.~1,500.

                          For increase in FE overall,
                          1. change Spark plug to NGK DPR 8 EGP " G " Power plug
                          2. use thinner 10W30 engine oil...This will of course increase engine temperature and rough running..compared to 15 or 20 w40.
                          3. Ensure you have a clean Air Filter and replace Air Filter every 8 K kms, more in dusty environment.
                          4. Change Spark Plug every 12~10 k kms.
                          Thank you very much sir. I will follow the above steps & will post my experience soon.
                          Please help me for the above issue.
                          Sir, you have meintioned that DPR8EGP-9 has factory set gap of 9 mm.
                          Is that ok for ZMA or I should modify & how?
                          Last edited by jpZMA; 11-01-2012, 09:16 AM.
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                          • Originally posted by sunny_ View Post
                            PSR Sir, SriRam Sir, Arun Sir, Ashwin bro, Aneesh bro

                            I am doing a Kol-Puri-Kol trip next weekend. I'd like to ask about what things to check? Currently Motul 7100 100% synthese is poured and has still got some life. The bike will be running continuously for 700kms(one way distance), in 80-120 kph range, with some natural breaks.

                            What other things will you suggest to look upon?

                            PSR ji and SriRam ji, One personal question, when doing long continuous fast trips alone, what tire pressure do you keep? Weather: slight cold in morning, humid. Road condition: Almost perfect. How frequent do you keep refueling(full n full or something else)?

                            SriRam Sir, your idea on phone was absolutely correct, I thought upon, and now I'm arranging riding gears one by one. Got A* riding gloves(dupli :P). Next is a good jacket.
                            1. Charge tyres with nitrogen air.
                            2. Keep spare cables. ( Clutch, Acc cable A and B).
                            3. Grease the chain.
                            4. Get full tank fuel before the trip. From a trusted pump. And on route you may need to refill again. Try to get fuel filled from a good pump.
                            5. Gear up. Dont avoid knee guards.

                            Rain ride awesome ride . Ride safe bro.
                            Cheetahs are faster but the lion is still the KING

                            Being In Love with a Girl is like being a superbike fitted with SPEED LIMITER

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                            • Originally posted by jpZMA View Post
                              Yesterday there was a serious problem with me.
                              After installing G-Power (DPR8EGP-9) i rode 200 kms in 2 days without any issue, but yesterday evening after 25 kms riding I parked my bike near a shopping mall. after return, i.e. after 1 hour when i started, it didn't starts at all even if with the choke. I took my bike to a roadside mechanic, when he press the self-start, the bike starts in first attempt. I got surprised, i asked him for the inspection of spark plug, he told me that was properly mounted & there was no issue.
                              again today morning when i started my bike, there was same problem. so I changed my plug to stock one & the bike is back to its life.
                              What may be the problem ??

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                              Thank you very much sir. I will follow the above steps & will post my experience soon.
                              Please help me for the above issue.
                              Sir, you have meintioned that DPR8EGP-9 has factory set gap of 9 mm.
                              Is that ok for ZMA or I should modify & how?
                              The DPR 8 EGP-9 is with a pre set gap of 0.9mm gap which is the correct setting for ZMA.
                              With this plug the cold start problem goes away,and so your post about starting problem is strange indeed. i am not able to see the attachment pic of the plug ,so repost the picture.
                              My guess is the Plug connecting cap may have some problem leading to lesser voltage and difficulty in starting...try changing the plug connector cap and see.

                              Originally posted by sunny_ View Post
                              PSR Sir, SriRam Sir, Arun Sir, Ashwin bro, Aneesh bro

                              I am doing a Kol-Puri-Kol trip next weekend. I'd like to ask about what things to check? Currently Motul 7100 100% synthese is poured and has still got some life. The bike will be running continuously for 700kms(one way distance), in 80-120 kph range, with some natural breaks.

                              What other things will you suggest to look upon?

                              PSR ji and SriRam ji, One personal question, when doing long continuous fast trips alone, what tire pressure do you keep? Weather: slight cold in morning, humid. Road condition: Almost perfect. How frequent do you keep refueling(full n full or something else)?

                              SriRam Sir, your idea on phone was absolutely correct, I thought upon, and now I'm arranging riding gears one by one. Got A* riding gloves(dupli :P). Next is a good jacket.
                              Just follow Mr.Sriram's guidelines..he is a veteran of many tours ,and knows best.Ride within your limits.
                              Good luck ...Ride Safe
                              Last edited by psr; 11-01-2012, 10:46 AM.
                              When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                              • Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post
                                Check Accelerator cables,clutch cables,brake pads,rear brake and also check oil level.
                                Hey bro, checked

                                Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
                                Engine Oil:- I'm not sure how much has your bike run with Motul 7100. If you had done say less than 2k till now, then go ahead but do check for oil level periodically.

                                Yes Sir, less than 2k kms. Do I need to keep an extra bottle of Motul 7100 for top-up(s) in case oil level goes down?

                                Tyre pressure:- Unless you are on Nitrogen, do keep a point less as the tyre tends to gain due to friction. FYI...check/fill air (normal) only in cold condition.

                                No nitrogen as of yet. And I'm thinking NOT to "experiment" it on the trip, I want to let it go with normal only. Thanks for the "a point less" suggestion.

                                Riding gears:- Armored Riding Jacket, Helmet (good one), knee guards and denim pants (least):- Please borrow from someone else if you don't have one. These should be part of checklist for any tourer.

                                Tip:- Keep someone updated on every milestone so that it helps to track just incase.
                                Whenever going on tour, always remember that you'll need to reach destination safe.
                                Originally posted by Vishakh View Post
                                1. Charge tyres with nitrogen air.
                                2. Keep spare cables. ( Clutch, Acc cable A and B).
                                3. Grease the chain.
                                4. Get full tank fuel before the trip. From a trusted pump. And on route you may need to refill again. Try to get fuel filled from a good pump.
                                5. Gear up. Dont avoid knee guards.

                                Rain ride awesome ride . Ride safe bro.
                                Vishakh bro, forgot to add your name Point 3 was in my mind too Spare cables, okay. No knee guards with me
                                Thanks

                                Originally posted by psr View Post
                                Just follow Mr.Sriram's guidelines..he is a veteran of many tours ,and knows best.Ride within your limits.
                                Good luck ...Ride Safe
                                Thanks Sir, need your blessings.

                                "Tip:- Keep someone updated on every milestone so that it helps to track just incase."
                                And I forgot to mention that this is a group ride, there will be 7 other bikers with me (CB1000R, GT650R, D200, N250, C250, P220, R15v1)

                                "Whenever going on tour, always remember that you'll need to reach destination safe." "Ride within your limits."
                                Thanks SriRam Sir, PSR Sir, this will keep me ride decently, no rash.
                                Last edited by sunny_; 11-01-2012, 11:30 AM. Reason: just a small typo

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