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**zma10** · 08-20-2013, 09:06 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Night_Shade View Post

The correct NGK model for Karizma is CPR8EIX9 and it costs 550+ rs.

I am planning to use it on my ZMA but now reading the last few feedbacks I am kind of confused.. could anyone else who are using NGK on the karizma, write their opinion about this? I am desperately waiting for last 2 months in Jaipur to get a plug of this model, Hopefully I will get one within this month.. and as Shabeer Khan, I too reach/cross 120+ on my ZMA almost everyday. And guys, I am facing one more problem.. the trip meter is resetting automatically.. what could be the reason?

Trip meter resetting might be due to issues with the battery. My bike also faces the same problem. Have a mechanic chek your wiring. I have left my bike at the garage, hopefully the problem would be solved. Also, does your bike's clock reset while this happens?

Cheers,

Karthik

**Divya Sharan** · 08-20-2013, 09:35 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

@Night_Shade, stay away from JJ/RC.

I thank @psr sir for saving me in November 2011 when I almost got myself the kit.
Please see my mails to Joel and the estimates back then:

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Sure. Done let me know.

Joel
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On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:22 AM, divya sharan <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Joel,

I'll get all of these done one by one (as finances permit). I look forward to meeting you in January.

Thanks and regards
Divya Sharan
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Hi,
Bigbore will cost u 7000 pls install.
We will also work on the cylinder head, which wil improve flow and enhance power further with a smoother engine. Costs 4000 extra.
tuned exhaust system - 7500.

Let me know when u coming.

Joel
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On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:17 PM, divya sharan <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Joel,
Amazed to see such a prompt reply. I'm coming to Bangalore in the the first week of January.
Can you please tell me the cost for the big bore?

Waiting eagerly to meet you soon.

Regards
Divya Sharan

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Hi,
Please bring the car down to bangalore and we will work on it.
Let me know when you need and we can do a whole lot of work to the ZMR, than just a bigbore.

Joel
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On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:02 AM, divya sharan <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Joel,

I'm a fellow Chennai XBHPian.
I plan to go for a big bore kit in a month or so.
I own a Karizma ZMR, but on the website (Race Concepts) you say Big Bore for Carb version only.
Can't I get it done for my ZMR?
Moreover, I want to increase the displacement to close to 250 cc (not 235 cc). Is that possible?
What will be the cost incurred? (Assuming big bore is possible)

Awaiting your reply soon,

Best regards
Divya Sharan

**psr** · 08-20-2013, 09:50 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by pixantz View Post

Even I'm experiencing the "roar" factor. Thought it was just me. Didn't find it in initial stages after changing though... Will try rechanging to prior Mico plug and check. Btw, was using Iridium for past two years before the Mico and its characteristics were nothing like the "G" thingie. I had promised myself to use nothing but the Iridium. But curiosity got the better of me.
On second thoughts, maybe there is a possibility that a bit of tweaks on the carb tuning might just brighten up the 'G-Power' funda. Dunno, just a thought...

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I am using the G power for the past 7 K plus Kms and i have nothing but good things to say about it..I got the plug from the NGK authorised distributor, so it's genuineness is not a question....
Pinaki Ji had reported of some fake NGK plugs being sold in the market and how they were pathetic...
To ensure genuine NGK plug , buy only from distributor, and with the outer carton...look for the NGK and DPR8EGP printed on the plug....and see if the center electrode is thin and tip shiny...

Originally posted by zma10 View Post

Trip meter resetting might be due to issues with the battery. My bike also faces the same problem. Have a mechanic chek your wiring. I have left my bike at the garage, hopefully the problem would be solved. Also, does your bike's clock reset while this happens?

Cheers,

Karthik

Two problems cause trip meter re-set...Battery terminal loose contact or battery low in charge.....if the battery is flooded Lead Acid type check for adequate water level, and if it is SMF then battery is Kaput..

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Divya sharan,......a 233cc upgrade is possible and can be done just like Arun (ACS) had done by himself...a 250cc would require a new sleeve insert and Crank case machining....The stock bike as it stands is the most reliable ...An Indian had gone around the world in a Stock Karizma....

**rreneav1987** · 08-20-2013, 10:04 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by psr View Post

I am using the G power for the past 7 K plus Kms and i have nothing but good things to say about it..I got the plug from the NGK authorised distributor, so it's genuineness is not a question....
Pinaki Ji had reported of some fake NGK plugs being sold in the market and how they were pathetic...
To ensure genuine NGK plug , buy only from distributor, and with the outer carton...look for the NGK and DPR8EGP printed on the plug....and see if the center electrode is thin and tip shiny...

Two problems cause trip meter re-set...Battery terminal loose contact or battery low in charge.....if the battery is flooded Lead Acid type check for adequate water level, and if it is SMF then battery is Kaput..

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Divya sharan,......a 233cc upgrade is possible and can be done just like Arun (ACS) had done by himself...a 250cc would require a new sleeve insert and Crank case machining....The stock bike as it stands is the most reliable ...An Indian had gone around the world in a Stock Karizma....

Yes.. you are right sir.. nothing beats the refinement and reliability of a stock bike.. but just fir knowledge sake.. what would be the estimated cost to get the zmr to 250 and what will be the increase in power?? :-)

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**Divya Sharan** · 08-20-2013, 10:31 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by psr View Post

Divya sharan,......a 233cc upgrade is possible and can be done just like Arun (ACS) had done by himself...a 250cc would require a new sleeve insert and Crank case machining....The stock bike as it stands is the most reliable ...An Indian had gone around the world in a Stock Karizma....

Precisely! That mail was sent almost 2 years ago sir. I myself advocate staying stock, saving funds and getting a bigger bike for more power.

**psr** · 08-20-2013, 11:05 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Yes.. you are right sir.. nothing beats the refinement and reliability of a stock bike.. but just fir knowledge sake.. what would be the estimated cost to get the zmr to 250 and what will be the increase in power?? :-)

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A 250cc big bore properly set will make 20 bhp and needs crankcase mod...... here are some links for reliable kits....

CRF 230 F/L

CRF's Only - Product Review of the Engines Only 250cc Big Bore Kit for the Honda CRF230F

**rreneav1987** · 08-20-2013, 11:06 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by psr View Post

A big bore properly set will make 20 bhp and needs crankcase mod...... here are some links for reliable kits....

CRF 230 F/L

CRF's Only - Product Review of the Engines Only 250cc Big Bore Kit for the Honda CRF230F

I will check it out after i reach delhi :-) thank you sir..

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**psr** · 08-20-2013, 11:13 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Precisely! That mail was sent almost 2 years ago sir. I myself advocate staying stock, saving funds and getting a bigger bike for more power.

right choice

See also Page 1314 where ACS had done the 233cc upgrade all by himself......

**New guy** · 08-20-2013, 12:07 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by shv18 View Post

Huh what??? Sorry??? i just saw my name being mentioned here. Is RC/ "Race Tooner" also promising you space thrusters and 10Gs acceleration for free with the kit??

has the seller used the terms "Bullet proof reliability" and "better than stock performance" etc.?? Then please do check out my thread mate. It should clear all your doubts and also the need to hot rod the stock ZMA from a particular seller. Anyways, please do check out the thread and see it for yourself.

If i were you i would start saving money and go for the insane KTM Duke 390. At 2.23 lakhs it is a steal...

Cheers,

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**Night_Shade** · 08-20-2013, 01:53 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by shv18 View Post

Huh what??? Sorry??? i just saw my name being mentioned here. Is RC/ "Race Tooner" also promising you space thrusters and 10Gs acceleration for free with the kit??

has the seller used the terms "Bullet proof reliability" and "better than stock performance" etc.?? Then please do check out my thread mate. It should clear all your doubts and also the need to hot rod the stock ZMA from a particular seller. Anyways, please do check out the thread and see it for yourself.

If i were you i would start saving money and go for the insane KTM Duke 390. At 2.23 lakhs it is a steal...

Cheers,

Thank you all my fellow biking brothers for stopping me fall into the pit and losing money along with my precious machine... @shv18, @rreneav1987, @pixantz, @Divya Sharan, @psr and all others..

And @shv18, here is the specification chart for KTM 390 and CBR 400R, Both are equally powerful but if I have to choose, I would definitely go for CBR400R for its meaty look, Honda's ever-known engine refinement and yes the EXHAUST SOUND

	KTM Duke 390	Honda CBR400R
Engine model type	Single Cylinder 4 stroke DOHC 4 valve water-cooled	Parallel Twin 4 stroke DOHC 4 valve water-cooled
Total displacement	373.2cc	399cc
Compression ratio	12.9: 1	11.0: 1
Maximum power	44ps @ 9500 rpm	46ps @ 9500 rpm
Maximum torque	35nm @ 7250 rpm	37nm @ 7500 rpm
Power to weight ratio	316.5 ps/ tonne	252.74 ps/ tonne
Fuel supply	Bosch EFI	Honda PGM-FI
Ignition	Self-start, Bosch EMS83	Self-start, Full transistor battery ignition with Honda Ignition Security System (H.I.S.S.) chip encoded keys
Cockpit	Fully Digital	Fully Digital
Clutch type	Wet multi-plate with coil springs	Wet multi-plate with coil springs
Gearbox	6 Speed	6 Speed
Final drive	X-Ring sealed chain	O-Ring sealed chain
Suspension front	43mm WP spec’d Inverted	41mm Conventional telescopic
Suspension rear	Direct linked monoshock with ten position spring preload	Pro-Link monoshock with nine-position spring preload adjustability
Swingarm	Pin-jointed die-cast aluminium	Steel square pipe
Frame type	Trellis	Diamond
Ground Clearance (mm)	170	140
Wheelbase (mm)	1367	1410
Seat height (mm)	800	785
Tyres front	110/70 ZR 17M/C	120/70 ZR 17M/C
Tyres Rear	150/60 ZR 17M/C	160/60 ZR 17M/C
Brakes Front	Single 300mm Single Disc with four piston caliper	Single 320mm Single Petal Disc with twin piston caliper
Brakes Rear	Single 230mm Single Disc with single piston caliper	Single 240mm Single Petal Disc with single piston caliper
ABS	Yes	Yes, Combined ABS
Fuel tank capacity	11 litres	15 litres
Fuel consumption	Not specified	39.7 kpl (under standard test conditions with speed constant at 60 kph)
Minimum turning radius	Not specified	2.7 metres
Dry Weight (kgs)	139 (dry weight)	182 (dry weight)- 194 (curb weight)
Top speed	160 kph estimated	Not specified
0 - 100	6 seconds	5 seconds(Approx)

**shv18** · 08-20-2013, 02:21 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

ˆˆ Well you make do with what you have. If power and performance is all you are looking for with stock reliability, at the moment KTM Duke 390 is a complete value for money proposition!! I would go for that.

Cheers,

**vijayvenkatesans** · 08-21-2013, 10:39 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Hi all,
I had been facing a little jerk in my bike around the 2.5k to 3k RPM mark as if there is no petrol. But after running for around 1-1.5 kms it would go away. Two weeks back I fell ill and couldn't use the bike. Making it worse, I didn't cover it also. So all the rain in Chennai in the past two weeks fell on it directly. Yesterday, I took the bike out, faced the same jerk and it went away after some time and I rode a decent 10 kms on it. Today evening while returning from office, the bike just stopped after around 300m. On starting, it would idle well, normally and on choke also. (It idled for around 15 min totally.) But as soon as the accelerator was touched it would die. I tried leaving the bike on idling for around a minute, still no use. I opened the petrol tank cap to let in some air. No use. There was a bit of water around the mouth on opening the cap though, which I dried with a cloth. There was a mechanic nearby, and he did something by removing and replacing some screw from the carb and by opening the air filter box. Then it became fine. The mechanic drove for 0.5 km, then I drove for another 600m and then the bike again stopped. This time, it wouldn't even start. I ended up pushing he bike for 1.5 kms to my home. One thing I would like to mention is that after I took the bike from the mechanic, when I left the throttle, the RPM reduced very slowly. Previously, it would come down quite quickly. My bike is exactly one month old. Please help.

**zma10** · 08-21-2013, 11:34 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by vijayvenkatesans View Post

Hi all,
I had been facing a little jerk in my bike around the 2.5k to 3k RPM mark as if there is no petrol. But after running for around 1-1.5 kms it would go away. Two weeks back I fell ill and couldn't use the bike. Making it worse, I didn't cover it also. So all the rain in Chennai in the past two weeks fell on it directly. Yesterday, I took the bike out, faced the same jerk and it went away after some time and I rode a decent 10 kms on it. Today evening while returning from office, the bike just stopped after around 300m. On starting, it would idle well, normally and on choke also. (It idled for around 15 min totally.) But as soon as the accelerator was touched it would die. I tried leaving the bike on idling for around a minute, still no use. I opened the petrol tank cap to let in some air. No use. There was a bit of water around the mouth on opening the cap though, which I dried with a cloth. There was a mechanic nearby, and he did something by removing and replacing some screw from the carb and by opening the air filter box. Then it became fine. The mechanic drove for 0.5 km, then I drove for another 600m and then the bike again stopped. This time, it wouldn't even start. I ended up pushing he bike for 1.5 kms to my home. One thing I would like to mention is that after I took the bike from the mechanic, when I left the throttle, the RPM reduced very slowly. Previously, it would come down quite quickly. My bike is exactly one month old. Please help.

Hi Vijay,

I face the exact problems on my bike when it is unused for a long time. Check the plug connections (suggested by PSR sir). Also, i found that using the kick start for this kind of a situation helps start the bike. If your bike is a month old, why not get it checked from SVC of the dealer you purchased the bike from?

Cheers,

Karthik

**vijayvenkatesans** · 08-22-2013, 11:51 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by zma10 View Post

Hi Vijay,

I face the exact problems on my bike when it is unused for a long time. Check the plug connections (suggested by PSR sir). Also, i found that using the kick start for this kind of a situation helps start the bike. If your bike is a month old, why not get it checked from SVC of the dealer you purchased the bike from?

Cheers,

Karthik

I tried kick start, before showing to the mechanic and after. No change in behavior. The service center is 5kms from the house. Wondering if I have to push it all the way. Will call those guys and see if they can do anything.

BTW, tried to check the AFR setting this morning, but there was NO AFR screw in the carb. The place is empty. o_o o_o

**psr** · 08-22-2013, 11:56 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by vijayvenkatesans View Post

Hi all,
I had been facing a little jerk in my bike around the 2.5k to 3k RPM mark as if there is no petrol. But after running for around 1-1.5 kms it would go away. Two weeks back I fell ill and couldn't use the bike. Making it worse, I didn't cover it also. So all the rain in Chennai in the past two weeks fell on it directly. Yesterday, I took the bike out, faced the same jerk and it went away after some time and I rode a decent 10 kms on it. Today evening while returning from office, the bike just stopped after around 300m. On starting, it would idle well, normally and on choke also. (It idled for around 15 min totally.) But as soon as the accelerator was touched it would die. I tried leaving the bike on idling for around a minute, still no use. I opened the petrol tank cap to let in some air. No use. There was a bit of water around the mouth on opening the cap though, which I dried with a cloth. There was a mechanic nearby, and he did something by removing and replacing some screw from the carb and by opening the air filter box. Then it became fine. The mechanic drove for 0.5 km, then I drove for another 600m and then the bike again stopped. This time, it wouldn't even start. I ended up pushing he bike for 1.5 kms to my home. One thing I would like to mention is that after I took the bike from the mechanic, when I left the throttle, the RPM reduced very slowly. Previously, it would come down quite quickly. My bike is exactly one month old. Please help.

I guess you are facing Loose contact of the On/Off switch...when you face this problem try turning the on/off switch a couple of time and see...the problem will go away...check also the spark plug cap connectivity...

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