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  • #16261
    Re: Karizma/Karizma R

    Originally posted by rav View Post
    whoa...just looking at the thread after a long time and I suddenly felt I'm looking at the drawing board of an Inventor. Good stuff. Now for my "aam aadmi" questions :P

    I've read in this thread earlier that Shell AX7 was being used successfully in their ZMAs. I've done close to 34k and have never steered away from the stock oil. I want to change that now. I went to the Shell bunk on the way from office and he said it costs 390/- but would recommend Advance Ultra which costs around 809/- and would run for 8000km :O
    8k sounded too good, but wanted to check with the experts here first. What would you recommend.
    Shell ultra is good , no doubt but 8K drain interval is a bit more. If you want to include Ultra would last for about 5.5K Kms efficiently, For more of city usage, would last for about 1000 to 1500 kms more. Currently running on one. Earlier have used AX7 for a loong time, its equally good for the price its offerred.
    Stories of the open road...........

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    • #16262
      Re: Karizma/Karizma R

      Originally posted by rav View Post
      . What would you recommend.
      Welcome back! The attendant was obviously trying to make money. Shell AX7 any day. Lasts almost 3k kms with sane riding. Ultra wouldn't last more than 5k kms. Stick with AX7. BTW my mech gets it for 345 rupees per liter.


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      • #16263
        Re: Karizma/Karizma R

        Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
        Welcome back! The attendant was obviously trying to make money. Shell AX7 any day. Lasts almost 3k kms with sane riding. Ultra wouldn't last more than 5k kms. Stick with AX7. BTW my mech gets it for 345 rupees per liter.


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        Thanks Guys. I'll go with AX7 then.
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        • #16264
          Re: Karizma/Karizma R

          Originally posted by phanikar View Post
          Reply in Bold. Thats a 2011 model ZMA and the shocks have given way so soon ????????
          Mine(2011) started creaking and crying at around 20k kms if am not mistaken. Though I've decided not to replace them, the rear is a bit lower now.

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          2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
          2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
          2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
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          • #16265
            Re: Karizma/Karizma R

            Swing-arm overhaul done today. Luckily, I was able to get hold of ZMR's swing-arm and compared it with ZMA's. We found out that the bearing setup of ZMR swing-arm can be fitted on ZMA directly without any modification. Will give details and pics later.
            HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
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            Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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            • #16266
              oil leakage issues

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              guys having a serious issues of oil Leakage from timing chain area and starter motor,changed the o ring thrice and tried the bond method too,yet no success.experts please help.
              Last edited by siddhesh; 05-10-2014, 12:17 AM. Reason: text add

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              • #16267
                Re: oil leakage issues

                Originally posted by siddhesh View Post
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                guys having a serious issues of oil Leakage from timing chain area and starter motor,changed the o ring thrice and tried the bond method too,yet no success.experts please help.
                By the Pics, looks most likely the tappet Cover nut is loose/ O ring is gone, i.e if you have changed the O ring and used Thread bond too. Also Do you park the bike in Side Stand overnight/Long period of time ?
                Stories of the open road...........

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                • #16268
                  Re: oil leakage issues

                  Originally posted by phanikar View Post
                  By the Pics, looks most likely the tappet Cover nut is loose/ O ring is gone, i.e if you have changed the O ring and used Thread bond too. Also Do you park the bike in Side Stand overnight/Long period of time ?
                  not really on the side stand for long period of time.

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                  • #16269
                    Re: oil leakage issues

                    Originally posted by siddhesh View Post
                    [ATTACH=CONFIG]144484[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]144485[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]144486[/ATTACH]

                    guys having a serious issues of oil Leakage from timing chain area and starter motor,changed the o ring thrice and tried the bond method too,yet no success.experts please help.
                    1st of all bro what engine oil are you using?
                    Do the following
                    I had a similar issue with the head leaking of my p150 classic.
                    I ran the bike for 10 mins and then drained the engine oil. Tilted the bike to get all of it out.
                    Bought a mineral oil since ester snd double ester based synthetics have a tendency to eat through gaskets and oil seals.
                    Use anabond and not threebond before sealing the oring and gaskets and dont immediately run the engine. Check all bolts are tight and secure.
                    Then check the crank case breather hole/hose for any blockage etc. If so just blow in the outward direction and clear it.
                    This should fix it.

                    divyansh....

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                    • #16270
                      Re: oil leakage issues

                      Originally posted by Divyanshp150 View Post
                      1st of all bro what engine oil are you using?
                      Do the following
                      I had a similar issue with the head leaking of my p150 classic.
                      I ran the bike for 10 mins and then drained the engine oil. Tilted the bike to get all of it out.
                      Bought a mineral oil since ester snd double ester based synthetics have a tendency to eat through gaskets and oil seals.
                      Use anabond and not threebond before sealing the oring and gaskets and dont immediately run the engine. Check all bolts are tight and secure.
                      Then check the crank case breather hole/hose for any blockage etc. If so just blow in the outward direction and clear it.
                      This should fix it.

                      divyansh....
                      Synthetic oils eating gaskets is peculiar for Pulsars only. There is no such problem for Honda engines. I suspect if they are using original gaskets and O rings to seal the engine.

                      @siddhesh, you have to change the gasket also at timing chain cap along with O ring. You have to peel off the old gasket completely for proper sealing with a new gasket. Peeling off the old gasket is a hectic job and these mechanics tend to do haphazard work. Next time, please use original gasket and O ring to seal the timing chain cover. Apply a bit of threebond along with new original O ring for the starter motor cap.
                      Last edited by ravi@17bhp; 05-16-2014, 12:37 AM.
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                      • #16271
                        Re: oil leakage issues

                        Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                        Synthetic oils eating gaskets is peculiar for Pulsars only. There is no such problem for Honda engines. I suspect if they are using original gaskets and O rings to seal the engine.

                        @siddhesh, you have to change the gasket also at timing chain cap along with O ring. You have to peel off the old gasket completely for proper sealing with a new gasket. Peeling off the old gasket is a hectic job and these mechanics tend to do haphazard work. Next time, please use original gasket and O ring to seal the timing chain cover. Apply a bit of threebond along with new original O ring for the starter motor cap.
                        No brother it happens with many bikes even cars... not peculiar to pulsars, apaches face this more and stunners. Its inherent property of the esters to eat and wear and even dissolve gasket paperand rubber seals no matte rwhere it is placed or any make engine.
                        And from experience anabond is better than 3bond since I have seen it survives longer... but dosent really matter,

                        divyansh....

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                        • #16272
                          Re: oil leakage issues

                          Originally posted by Divyanshp150 View Post
                          No brother it happens with many bikes even cars... not peculiar to pulsars, apaches face this more and stunners. Its inherent property of the esters to eat and wear and even dissolve gasket paperand rubber seals no matte rwhere it is placed or any make engine.
                          And from experience anabond is better than 3bond since I have seen it survives longer... but dosent really matter,

                          divyansh....
                          I don't know about your experience, but I have never seen any gasket leakages due to FS oil usage in Honda engines. In fact, there have been many people who have been using FS oils in many bikes around me and without any gasket leakages, except pulsars. I have used synthetic oil many times and never once there a leakage. There are chances that people use aftermarket gaskets (even some service centers do that to save money) and they may leak due to FS oil usage. There is also a possibility that when service centers do work, they just don't use a new gasket when they remove any part; they use the old one leading to leakages.

                          I have personally attended to many bikes and always put a original new gasket and never had any leakages. There were leakages when I used an old O ring without replacing with new one.

                          I can guarantee you that an original Honda gasket will never leak if you seal it properly. They have been designed keeping in view of Synthetic oils.
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                          Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

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                          • #16273
                            Re: oil leakage issues

                            Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                            I don't know about your experience, but I have never seen any gasket leakages due to FS oil usage in Honda engines. In fact, there have been many people who have been using FS oils in many bikes around me and without any gasket leakages, except pulsars. I have used synthetic oil many times and never once there a leakage. There are chances that people use aftermarket gaskets (even some service centers do that to save money) and they may leak due to FS oil usage. There is also a possibility that when service centers do work, they just don't use a new gasket when they remove any part; they use the old one leading to leakages.

                            I have personally attended to many bikes and always put a original new gasket and never had any leakages. There were leakages when I used an old O ring without replacing with new one.

                            I can guarantee you that an original Honda gasket will never leak if you seal it properly. They have been designed keeping in view of Synthetic oils.
                            Possible brother,
                            I have not checked which gasket they are running
                            Plus my experience with stock apaches, pulsars, dazzler and many bike I have seen leakage (very few, say 2 in 20 cases), I personally have seen my uncles p180 never leak with motul 300v and mine has.... and strangely its from the head area and no where else... a new gasket and again same oil...back to leakage, and a new gasket and oil change to ss or semi synthetic and gone....
                            Im not saying all fs oils cause leaks
                            Its just a few with some peculiar chemicals that I have no chemical understanding of that lead to this,

                            Just a suggestion for him to hlp his leaking issue bro no offence
                            Everyone was advising
                            I had faced a similar issue hence the advice
                            divyansh....

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                            • #16274
                              Re: oil leakage issues

                              Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                              I don't know about your experience, but I have never seen any gasket leakages due to FS oil usage in Honda engines. In fact, there have been many people who have been using FS oils in many bikes around me and without any gasket leakages, except pulsars. I have used synthetic oil many times and never once there a leakage. There are chances that people use aftermarket gaskets (even some service centers do that to save money) and they may leak due to FS oil usage. There is also a possibility that when service centers do work, they just don't use a new gasket when they remove any part; they use the old one leading to leakages.

                              I have personally attended to many bikes and always put a original new gasket and never had any leakages. There were leakages when I used an old O ring without replacing with new one.

                              I can guarantee you that an original Honda gasket will never leak if you seal it properly. They have been designed keeping in view of Synthetic oils.
                              Well explained.. also very little grease is to be used while assembling the gasket. This makes the removal process easier and will not require the usual hacksaw blade scraping done by most mechs which ruins the mating surfaces and requiring stuff such as gasket sealants to put it back together.

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                              • #16275
                                Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                                Planing to buy a karizma r
                                Is it reliable to buy a 2008 model karizma which is clocked 57k ?

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