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**sibun** · 05-21-2014, 08:21 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

like [MENTION=11210]ravi@17bhp[/MENTION] has said in this day more than quality of the product marketing only is more stressed.

By giving all these fancy terms company highlights there products. Like Bajaj uses DTSi, Exhaustec, trics and all, Honda uses Eco technology, optimax engine, e.t.c, Hero also uses such.

But there are some difference such as when Hero used APDV in splendor and passions, it signified that CDI has been changed from AC to DC(microprocessor based), cmashaft has been changed and also do the ignition timing, carburettor and also the magnets.

So sometimes it gives some meaning and sometimes doesn't, it is with the expereienced technical person to deduce the difference than falling for such marketing gimmicks.

**Divyanshp150** · 05-21-2014, 08:30 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by sibun View Post

like [MENTION=11210]ravi@17bhp[/MENTION] has said in this day more than quality of the product marketing only is more stressed.

By giving all these fancy terms company highlights there products. Like Bajaj uses DTSi, Exhaustec, trics and all, Honda uses Eco technology, optimax engine, e.t.c, Hero also uses such.

But there are some difference such as when Hero used APDV in splendor and passions, it signified that CDI has been changed from AC to DC(microprocessor based), cmashaft has been changed and also do the ignition timing, carburettor and also the magnets.

So sometimes it gives some meaning and sometimes doesn't, it is with the expereienced technical person to deduce the difference than falling for such marketing gimmicks.

Exactly sibun sir.
The cdi, camshaft, carb, magnets should me marketed but sadly most people will like optimax, ecothrust, exhaust tech and apdv

divyansh....

**Rajarshi** · 05-22-2014, 04:35 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Hello Friends... My 2012 ZMA has done almost 14500 Km ...till date i have used it as factory stock settings... used original hero Idemitsu stock Engine oil ....at the next service i want to have some customization ....like changing the spark plug.. and a new branded engine oil... Also Headlight and new set of tyres are the next set of changes on the cards (after 3/4 moths )..

As far as i have followed this thread i initially thought to change the engine oil to fully synthetic (Shell Advance Ultra).... but as some people are experiencing the oil leakage .. now i chose to go for Shell Advance AX7 and NGK DPR8EGP G power Spark plug..

Please put your valuable suggestion ... whether am i selecting the correct thing for the customization...

**ravi@17bhp** · 05-22-2014, 05:03 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Rajarshi View Post

As far as i have followed this thread i initially thought to change the engine oil to fully synthetic (Shell Advance Ultra).... but as some people are experiencing the oil leakage .. now i chose to go for Shell Advance AX7 and NGK DPR8EGP G power Spark plug..

Please put your valuable suggestion ... whether am i selecting the correct thing for the customization...

You can use FS oil. There won't be any leakages. There may be an odd one here and there. You can just change the particular o ring or gasket if there is any leakage. There are so many bikes using FS oils without any leakages.

If you still have doubt, the choice of AX7 is also very good. You can go ahead with AX7 and G-power plug.

**Divya Sharan** · 05-22-2014, 05:49 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Rajarshi View Post

now i chose to go for Shell Advance AX7 and NGK DPR8EGP G power Spark plug..

Ravi anna has already said what I was about to say, just that the G Power spark plug's model number is NGK DPR 8 EGP-9.

**Rajarshi** · 05-22-2014, 06:19 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Thanks ravi@17bhp and Divya Sharan for your suggestions... i forgot to ask you one thing.. as till now i have used 10W30 grade oil.... but as per shell website AX7 is 10w40..

will this have any adverse effect on 2012 ZMA-R engine ...

**Divya Sharan** · 05-22-2014, 08:48 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Rajarshi View Post

will this have any adverse effect on 2012 ZMA-R engine ...

No! You can use it without worries.

**shirish** · 05-22-2014, 08:58 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Hi guys. The rear brake on my ZMA has almost lost the entire bite. Time for me to change the drums. I remember reading somewhere in the thread that splendour's front drum can be fitted on the ZMA's rear and this one would have better bite than the stock one. Can someone confirm if that is true. If true, then would go for it. Else please provide your suggestions on which one's would be better.

**Divya Sharan** · 05-22-2014, 09:04 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by shirish View Post

Hi guys. The rear brake on my ZMA has almost lost the entire bite. Time for me to change the drums. I remember reading somewhere in the thread that splendour's front drum can be fitted on the ZMA's rear and this one would have better bite than the stock one. Can someone confirm if that is true. If true, then would go for it. Else please provide your suggestions on which one's would be better.

Yes, it IS true!

**shirish** · 05-22-2014, 09:07 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

[MENTION=41586]Divya Sharan[/MENTION]: Thanks for your super fast reply

. Will got for it now without any second thought.

**ravi@17bhp** · 05-22-2014, 10:30 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by shirish View Post

@Divya Sharan: Thanks for your super fast reply

. Will got for it now without any second thought.

Splendor's and Karizma's brake shoe construction is different even though size is same (130mm). Karizma's base platform is thicker and stronger compare to Splendor's. The last time, I even thought of using the Splendor's brake shoes, but after comparing both, I decided to stick with original ones. I don't know what would happen if you use Splendor's brake shoes in Karizma in worst case, but I didn't want to take chances.

The bite of rear brakes in Karizma is generally soft and I got used to it. I even feel stronger bite at rear might cause unstable rear in panic braking.

In the following pic, the top one is Splendor's and the bottom one is Karizma's. You can see the thicker base in Karizma's brake shoes. The difference is more visible from lateral angle.

**Divyanshp150** · 05-22-2014, 10:58 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

Splendor's and Karizma's brake shoe construction is different even though size is same (130mm). Karizma's base platform is thicker and stronger compare to Splendor's. The last time, I even thought of using the Splendor's brake shoes, but after comparing both, I decided to stick with original ones. I don't know what would happen if you use Splendor's brake shoes in Karizma in worst case, but I didn't want to take chances.

The bite of rear brakes in Karizma is generally soft and I got used to it. I even feel stronger bite at rear might cause unstable rear in panic braking.

In the following pic, the top one is Splendor's and the bottom one is Karizma's. You can see the thicker base in Karizma's brake shoes. The difference is more visible from lateral angle.

I think the brake shoe of the zma seems more reinforced because it has to deal with higher forces and a big ass heavy bike:P
I think the better brake bite feel is because some older splendour pads are asbestos type and newer ones are non asbestos.
Asbestos types generally bite better, I dont know why so.
Unfortunately asbestos dust is carcinogenic! Dont breathe in any of that while cleaning or changing. All bikes now come with non asbestos type brake pads

Hope it helps.(either clears doubts or increases them

)

divyansh....

**Divya Sharan** · 05-22-2014, 11:01 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

Splendor's and Karizma's brake shoe construction is different even though size is same (130mm). Karizma's base platform is thicker and stronger compare to Splendor's. The last time, I even thought of using the Splendor's brake shoes, but after comparing both, I decided to stick with original ones. I don't know what would happen if you use Splendor's brake shoes in Karizma in worst case, but I didn't want to take chances.

Nothing of that sort happens anna! Quite a lot of people are using it here. I've even ridden a gen1 zma with splendor's brake shoes for 145 odd kms from Mysore to BLR and I never felt that the brakes were over-adequate or inadequate.
But, I always advocate opting for OE spares only. I'm happy you do the same.

Tapatalk'd from my stupid phone!

**phanikar** · 05-23-2014, 12:35 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by shirish View Post

Hi guys. The rear brake on my ZMA has almost lost the entire bite. Time for me to change the drums. I remember reading somewhere in the thread that splendour's front drum can be fitted on the ZMA's rear and this one would have better bite than the stock one. Can someone confirm if that is true. If true, then would go for it. Else please provide your suggestions on which one's would be better.

If not better , the replacement is almost the same. Or other alternative is the rear brake shoe of activa. Have used OE and ASK pads. No noticeable difference in bite force /construction , happy user for the past few thousand kms. Costs lesser and lasts almost the same as the OE ones.

**ravi@17bhp** · 05-23-2014, 12:39 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Nothing of that sort happens anna! Quite a lot of people are using it here. I've even ridden a gen1 zma with splendor's brake shoes for 145 odd kms from Mysore to BLR and I never felt that the brakes were over-adequate or inadequate.
But, I always advocate opting for OE spares only. I'm happy you do the same.

Its not that something will happen in just 1000 kms. Most of the time, there won't be any issues. But, there might be a rare unfortunate moment where the base might break as the tolerance is less. I didn't want to take any chance as it may damage the drum, in which case replacement of alloy wheel might be warranted.

Yesterday, another xBhpian's ZMA was serviced and we noticed a broken edge of the drum. He has been using the splendor brake shoes. We wondered how it happened. Frankly we don't have any clue, but the use of splendor's brake shoes causing this is not entirely ruled out.

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