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**Pinaki** · 05-23-2014, 02:30 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

Splendor's and Karizma's brake shoe construction is different even though size is same (130mm). Karizma's base platform is thicker and stronger compare to Splendor's .... In the following pic, the top one is Splendor's and the bottom one is Karizma's. You can see the thicker base in Karizma's brake shoes. The difference is more visible from lateral angle. ..

Those are not the OE Splendor brake shoes I think . The OE brake shoes are also having the same raised ribs and heavier base as shown in the kari's . Aftermarket ASK and ANL shoes ( and others ) have the non-ribbed and thinner base . Haven't had any problem because of the lighter construction yet . You mean you are afraid that they might break inside the drum under the braking force ... hmmm ... have not thought about it

Infact being asbestos type they have two very useful advantages .

i) they plainly bite better and have better progressive action
ii) the OE non-asbestos material ( compacted carbon & metal powder ) is quite hard and wears out the brake drum liner very much quicker . Asbestos is a lot softer , i.e slow wear on the drums . Worn shoes are cheap to replace , worn drum means wheel replacement for cast wheels and hub replacement for spokes .
I replaced all the OE non-asbestos shoes with ASK asbestos shoes asap after I got my bike . Pleased with the braking improvement since

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**pixantz** · 05-23-2014, 08:45 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

The best bet you can have after Zma pads are Honda Activa pads. I found them a bit better than the OE Zma ones. Using since 3yrs now. No braking problems ever.

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**Divyanshp150** · 05-23-2014, 10:25 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Pinaki View Post

Those are not the OE Splendor brake shoes I think . The OE brake shoes are also having the same raised ribs and heavier base as shown in the kari's . Aftermarket ASK and ANL shoes ( and others ) have the non-ribbed and thinner base . Haven't had any problem because of the lighter construction yet . You mean you are afraid that they might break inside the drum under the braking force ... hmmm ... have not thought about it

Infact being asbestos type they have two very useful advantages .

i) they plainly bite better and have better progressive action
ii) the OE non-asbestos material ( compacted carbon & metal powder ) is quite hard and wears out the brake drum liner very much quicker . Asbestos is a lot softer , i.e slow wear on the drums . Worn shoes are cheap to replace , worn drum means wheel replacement for cast wheels and hub replacement for spokes .
I replaced all the OE non-asbestos shoes with ASK asbestos shoes asap after I got my bike . Pleased with the braking improvement since

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Exactly!
Even I feel asbestos bite better,
I have been using caliber brake pads on my bike and they wear out quite fast compared to the non asbestoes but then they bite harder:P
Now I learn they have the added advantage of saving my hub

Also caliber 130mm asbestos brake pads by ask brand I think is 80rs:P so its light on the pocket too

divyansh....

**sibun** · 05-23-2014, 10:51 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Lots of confusion over brake shoes. The splendor asbestos shoes will work fine and not break as doubted. The difference is that Non asbestos break shoes have larger casting than asbestos brake shoes and it has nothing to do with strength. The reason why the non asbestos one has bigger base is that the non asbestos has harder material as brake liner. So the force required is more and thus bigger casting. Another reason is that since the non asbestos has less braking power so requires more time on brakes and thus higher heat generated and thus bigger casting for heat dissipation.As [MENTION=29030]Pinaki[/MENTION] ji has said asbestos brake shoes are softer and thus drums last longer while the non asbestos last longer but drums will get scoured. Proof is that my Joy at 3.75 lacs kilometers still runs on original drums and on touching the surface of brake contact you will feel it to be smooth without any lines nor any wear.

**shirish** · 05-23-2014, 08:01 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

so are the oem splendour brake shoes asbestos type or non-asbestos type?

**Divyanshp150** · 05-23-2014, 08:21 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by shirish View Post

so are the oem splendour brake shoes asbestos type or non-asbestos type?

All oem bikes have to now come with non asbestoes brake shoes since asbestoes dust is carcinogenic.
But if you want asbestoes type brake shoes the ones made for the splendor by ASK and ANL brands are their

divyansh....

**sibun** · 05-23-2014, 08:30 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by shirish View Post

so are the oem splendour brake shoes asbestos type or non-asbestos type?

Both are available. In new bikes it is coming as non asbestos but company is supplying both Asbestos and Non asbestos. In shops ask for low price OE brake shoe and they will give the asbestos one.

**ravi@17bhp** · 05-23-2014, 09:49 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

[MENTION=28527]sibun[/MENTION], so the bigger casting of brake shoes in Karizma is because the its non-asbestos type? Are the non-asbestos splendor brakes shoes also have the same thick casting? I remember the karizma brakes shoes to have the same thick casting since I bought the bike. Even the Unicorn has same thick casting. If both the spendor's and the Karizma's brakes shoes are non-asbestos type and same size, why is there a price difference of almost 100 rupees (Unicorn's brake shoes also 230 INIR)? Is it just that Karizma customers are charged more because its a premium bike? Sorry for so many questions. I still have lots of doubts.

**sibun** · 05-24-2014, 10:08 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

@sibun, so the bigger casting of brake shoes in Karizma is because the its non-asbestos type? Are the non-asbestos splendor brakes shoes also have the same thick casting? I remember the karizma brakes shoes to have the same thick casting since I bought the bike. Even the Unicorn has same thick casting. If both the spendor's and the Karizma's brakes shoes are non-asbestos type and same size, why is there a price difference of almost 100 rupees (Unicorn's brake shoes also 230 INIR)? Is it just that Karizma customers are charged more because its a premium bike? Sorry for so many questions. I still have lots of doubts.

Doubts are good as helps in gaining knowledge.

Yes the splendors non-asbestos models are also having same thick castings. Just go to any spares shop and ask for splendor pro front brake shoe. Those are non asbestos model. You will see that they also have thick castings like Karizma. Heck will have same part number as karizma.

And price of splendor non-asbestos brake shoe is Rs.229 and price of splendor asbestos model brake shoe is Rs. 119.

**acs1207** · 05-24-2014, 10:13 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Divyanshp150 View Post

All oem bikes have to now come with non asbestoes brake shoes since asbestoes dust is carcinogenic.
But if you want asbestoes type brake shoes the ones made for the splendor by ASK and ANL brands are their

divyansh....

If you guys have a diy strain as far as tire removal is concerned better buy non asbestos. The fine dust can easily be inhaled when removing a wheel.

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**shirish** · 05-24-2014, 05:58 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

so what do you guys suggest me to go for, asbestos type or the non-asbestos type, considering i am not much of a DIY person.

**ravi@17bhp** · 05-24-2014, 06:16 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by shirish View Post

so what do you guys suggest me to go for, asbestos type or the non-asbestos type, considering i am not much of a DIY person.

Use original Honda Activa's brake liner.

**Divyanshp150** · 05-24-2014, 08:05 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by shirish View Post

so what do you guys suggest me to go for, asbestos type or the non-asbestos type, considering i am not much of a DIY person.

Asbestos is carcinogenic of inhaled, sice youbare not a diy you mech will do it for you, but still warn him before hand

you dont want him to get sick too.
Cancer is a very bad thing..... have had someone close with it..
Anyways,
Be careful and use asbestoes

divyansh....

**SparKot** · 05-24-2014, 08:24 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by Divyanshp150 View Post

Asbestos is carcinogenic of inhaled, sice youbare not a diy you mech will do it for you, but still warn him before hand

you dont want him to get sick too.
Cancer is a very bad thing..... have had someone close with it..
Anyways,
Be careful and use asbestoes

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This is very interesting.

OT, however ... relevant

1. I was in boarding school for 7 years, of which I stayed in hostel with asbestos sheet roof for 5 years.
2. After schooling I was in rent house with asbestos sheet roof for 2 years.

I'm still waiting for the manifestation of asbestosis; or I already have it without knowledge.

How do you diagnose it?

Edit: Two thorough medical check ups from Ranbaxy didn't pick up any ailment.

**Divyanshp150** · 05-24-2014, 09:02 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

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Originally posted by SparKot View Post

This is very interesting.

OT, however ... relevant

1. I was in boarding school for 7 years, of which I stayed in hostel with asbestos sheet roof for 5 years.
2. After schooling I was in rent house with asbestos sheet roof for 2 years.

I'm still waiting for the manifestation of asbestosis; or I already have it without knowledge.

How do you diagnose it?

Edit: Two thorough medical check ups from Ranbaxy didn't pick up any ailment.

Just a moment...

http://www.monitor.co.ug/SpecialReports/Asbestos-roofs--Are-Ugandans----being-put-at-risk-of-cancer-/-/688342/1855642/-/u69opez/-/index.html

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http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/intheworkplace/asbestos

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Ps:- ot topic mods will kick me:P