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**psr** · 12-18-2013, 08:04 PM

Re: Karizma R 2009 : Please suggest

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Been there, done that.. without a battery, the ZMR will not start and same goes with the Dazzler

with a dead battery, push start works. it seemed like it needed the circuit to be complete.. you know i had issues with the stock battery and the second battery.. during that period I had to push start the bike many time.. after I changed the starter relay to Minda and the battery to Amaron 9AH, the bike is back to perfect

You have to try push start in 2nd or 3rd gear and not in 1st...Then the bike will start.

**rreneav1987** · 12-18-2013, 08:15 PM

Re: Karizma R 2009 : Please suggest

Originally posted by psr View Post

You have to try push start in 2nd or 3rd gear and not in 1st...Then the bike will start.

Sir, i usually push start the bike in 2nd gear. I have done it many a times. But without battery, it just wouldn't start. Tried it on my bike and my friend's zmr in Chennai. More like the RE. it doesnt start without a battery.

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**acs1207** · 12-18-2013, 08:38 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by acs1207 View Post

Hi guys , I've got a problem with my starter . On all morning my starter refuses to work . When I press the starter button the neutral indicator just lessen in intensity , but it doesn't go off ( which it should if the battery is low and the current is going to the starter) . Also the meter doesn't reset . This happens if the bike hasn't been ridden for some time ( cooled state ) . In the video you can see the dimming of the neutral indicator and the meter is not reset . Any pointers ?

Originally posted by sinnerz2000 View Post

It clearly means that your battery is loosing charge overnight, get it tested, mostly you'll need to buy a new one. How old is it?

Originally posted by acs1207 View Post

It's a 9AH battery from my old Pulsar , around 2 years old . If the battery is sending all it's juice to the starter then the neutral indicator shouldn't slow at all . In this case it just dims a bit ( see video) . Is there anyway I can check if there's a short in the wiring using a multi-meter ?

Originally posted by psr View Post

You have either Starter relay problem or the brushes inside the Starter motor is worn...Try tapping on either of them to know..

Nailed it finally . I was sure it was not the battery although the mech was hell bent on it. Yesterday I was on leave and was with the mech for some time . Removed the starter and checked it - OK , took a relay from another ZMA and checked - OK , checked battery voltage - OK @ 13+ V ...

I took his Zorrick can and used it liberally on every contact from the batery to the starter and let it to dry . Then , pressed the starter switch , no response ..gave a tap to the relay...yes response

, tapped it again and the ZMA roared to life

. The mech was watching me and he came over with a length of wire and bypassed the relay and supplied current to the starter - it roared again . It was nearly 6 hours since I'd kept the bike there {time enough for the battery to go low if it wanted to( had some accessories' wiring repair to be done too )} and he admitted 'Arunetta , there's nothing wrong with the battery ' . Since we had eliminated starter complaint , relay complaint and battery complaint , there was only the wiring that was suspect . After a lot of checking he said that it was the connector that was suspect .

Now , that thing is not a stand-alone connector , it comes with the main wiring . If I can get the connector separately it would've been easy . Is there some other connector that has 4 sockets just like this one ? What say guys ? What are my options ?

Another thing-
I'd connected two LED indicators front L/R to my ZMA and it was working fine . Yesterday I connected another to the back left and both the indicators and the one on the instrument panel just flickers ( instead of blinking) when the rpm is above idling . The other side ( left) is working fine . anybody faced this problem ? Any workarounds ?

**Anzac** · 12-18-2013, 09:54 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Hello guys,
Recently my horn suddenly started sounding weak (portending battery issues). Headlight also used to dim on applying brakes. Got the battery checked and left it to charge. I found that without the battery, the bike stalls even when brake lights are on. Headlight was out of question (worked very dimly a couple of times though). Horn does work though. I had to remove the rear brake connector to prevent engine stalling on applying brakes. The alternator output of 188W should have been sufficient for even the headlights. I will get the wiring checked by the mech. But has anyone tried running the bike without battery? I think it should work without any issues.

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By the way my bike is 3 years/28k km old. Still running stock amco 7 Ah battery.

**ravi@17bhp** · 12-18-2013, 10:08 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by acs1207 View Post

Now , that thing is not a stand-alone connector , it comes with the main wiring . If I can get the connector separately it would've been easy . Is there some other connector that has 4 sockets just like this one ? What say guys ? What are my options ?

I too got the loose contact issue with these relay connectors. After pouring WD-40 or Zorrik, just plug-in and out a few times so that the contacts get cleaned up. Use a screw driver to press the socket plates to avoid any loose contact. You can pullout the connectors and replace them if needed.

Also check the voltage at ignition fuse terminal (with ignition on); it should get the same voltage as the battery. Check voltage across the fuse terminals. If there is any difference, the fuse is gone bad and needs replacement.

**anmol_1990** · 12-19-2013, 05:56 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Any idea when the facelifted Karizma is launching?

**Divya Sharan** · 12-19-2013, 06:07 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by anmol_1990 View Post

Any idea when the facelifted Karizma is launching?

Just after the Auto Expo next year. (AFAIK)

**acs1207** · 12-19-2013, 08:47 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

I too got the loose contact issue with these relay connectors. After pouring WD-40 or Zorrik, just plug-in and out a few times so that the contacts get cleaned up. Use a screw driver to press the socket plates to avoid any loose contact. You can pullout the connectors and replace them if needed.Also check the voltage at ignition fuse terminal (with ignition on); it should get the same voltage as the battery. Check voltage across the fuse terminals. If there is any difference, the fuse is gone bad and needs replacement.

Thanx for the tip Ravi. Will try it this weekend.

**ravi@17bhp** · 12-20-2013, 07:27 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

[MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] sir, is the piston ring end gap more or normal? This was the gap when I rebored the engine.

**psr** · 12-20-2013, 07:47 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

@psr sir, is the piston ring end gap more or normal? This was the gap when I rebored the engine.

you must measure the gap with a feeler gauge and compare with the required spec...

**shirish** · 12-23-2013, 09:10 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Hi guys. My silencer has accumulated rust at the starting end. is there any way that can be cleaned?

**anmol_1990** · 12-24-2013, 01:17 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by shirish View Post

Hi guys. My silencer has accumulated rust at the starting end. is there any way that can be cleaned?

Apply wax over the region to prevent from further rusting

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**YashwanthBK** · 12-24-2013, 01:50 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Changed the old battery to a new AMCO 7aH one costing Rs. 1000 (in exchange of the old one).

Planned on getting 55/60W Philips Extreme but installed 8000k HID+Halogen combo with LED pilot lamps. I personally liked the light throw in nights as i had already tested on my friend's ZMA earlier.

Here are some pics:

Low Beam (Halogen):

High Beam (HID):

Read many negative reviews about it, back after a solo Chennai - Trichy Day and Night ride, so far so good !

**AK3D** · 12-24-2013, 03:42 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by shirish View Post

Hi guys. My silencer has accumulated rust at the starting end. is there any way that can be cleaned?

Rusting is common, if you're bothered by it, get it repainted - black heat resistant powder coating.

Originally posted by YashwanthBK View Post

Changed the old battery to a new AMCO 7aH one costing Rs. 1000 (in exchange of the old one).

Planned on getting 55/60W Philips Extreme but installed 8000k HID+Halogen combo with LED pilot lamps. I personally liked the light throw in nights as i had already tested on my friend's ZMA earlier.
Read many negative reviews about it, back after a solo Chennai - Trichy Day and Night ride, so far so good !

8000K is worse than useless in rain or fog, I hope you don't compromise your safety and that of others.
Mainly, in HIDs the glare is annoying (VERY annoying) to oncoming traffic unless properly focussed. I hope you've used a projector setup, being a responsible biker.
As an experiment, try standing a few meters away looking at the light from your bike and see what happens? If you get dazzled, imagine what happens to others on the road

**ravi@17bhp** · 12-24-2013, 04:01 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

8000k is blueish light, which irritates eye, rather than providing any visibility. This light is worse in dust, rain, and fog. The oncoming traffic will have horrible time looking at this light.

Color temperature of 3000 to 4300k is the range that is comfortable to human eye.

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