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**ravi@17bhp** · 12-17-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by ankit.traveller View Post

Just back after 150 kms ride in night. Headlight is very poor, what are the options available for better illumination in 35/35w bulb for ZMA?
After AFR adjusting I think mielage dropped little bit though engine is more responsive now and still I was able to touch the crankcase with hands after 150kms constant ride.
Feeling vibrations on foot pegs and under seat at 70-90 km/hr after that no vibes at all.
I changed engine oil at 500km then at 1500km now its 2600kms, should I change engine oil or wait till 2nd service at 3000Kms?

Headlight - all 35/35W bulbs provide more or less similar illumination. How would a 35W bulb survive on highways with 110w headlight beams of four-wheelers? If you want to stick to only 35W, try getting Philips 35W bulb made in Germany (buy it from Honda spares center); this one is better in illumination than regular 35W bulbs. To get a little more brightness, you can upgrade to a 55/60W bulb like Osram Nightbraker Plus or Philips Extreme Vision.

Your engine is still new, let the engine run for few more thousands of kms; all the vibes would slowly go away (from engine); you might get vibrations from cowls though

. Using a good engine oil also would eliminate vibrations.

And, you can change the engine oil at 3000 kms with no issues. 1500kms interval is fine between oil changes.

**YashwanthBK** · 12-18-2013, 01:47 AM

Karizma R 2009 : Please suggest

Hi Friends ! I currently own a Karizma R 2009 model running on stock AMCO 7aH battery. The problem is, there is no juice left out in the battery if its idle for more than an hour or so, but works fine on the run. Even after changing the fluids and recharging, the problem still persists. And also the clock and trip meter gets reset every time when i switch on to ignition mode.
What could be the problem ? Has the battery aged out ?

Also will the Philips Extreme Vision 55/60W headlights work fine on this stock 7aH battery ? If not, which are the best headlights for the stock 7aH battery ? I want to upgrade to a better headlights ASAP for the time being (without changing the battery), as i am planning on a night ride in a couple of days.

Thanks in advance!

**SriramEfunds** · 12-18-2013, 03:21 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

[MENTION=66657]YashwanthBK[/MENTION] - the symptoms points to aged and dying battery in my opinion. You can go for a new battery. Offcourse there are options to choose from but I'm using 7ah exide which I recently changed and it works fine. I got 60/55w Philips Extreme Vision, 5w X2 pilot lamps and dual horn which I got pulsars hi tone horn added along with stock in my bike. So far have not faced issues at all. Let others share their thoughts and help you decide the best for your bike.

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**Divya Sharan** · 12-18-2013, 08:29 AM

Re: Karizma R 2009 : Please suggest

Originally posted by YashwanthBK View Post

I want to upgrade to a better headlights ASAP for the time being (without changing the battery), as i am planning on a night ride in a couple of days.

Thanks in advance!

Not advised. Get the battery changed as well. Why take risks during a night ride? You can get yourself a 7AH MF battery and plonk a 55w halogen. Its plug and play. But do not take risks with your life with a dead battery. The cells are gone and god forbid if it gives up on you at night you'll be in trouble.

**psr** · 12-18-2013, 11:54 AM

Re: Karizma R 2009 : Please suggest

The Karizmas never give up on their owners...

The bike can run safely with headlight with a flat battery for many thousands of Kms. I had done the same just to check the Generator's capability, and was sweetly surprised to find the ZMA's capacity. If battery is bad, self start will not work, Horn will be weak..

**phanikar** · 12-18-2013, 12:41 PM

Re: Karizma R 2009 : Please suggest

Originally posted by psr View Post

The Karizmas never give up on their owners...

The bike can run safely with headlight with a flat battery for many thousands of Kms. I had done the same just to check the Generator's capability, and was sweetly surprised to find the ZMA's capacity. If battery is bad, self start will not work, Horn will be weak..

I Second PSR Sir, if not thousand, can relate to a comparatively long ride from Coimbatore to Bangalore in the night, with a Dead Battery. But anyways when you know that the battery is dead, why not change it. Most of us are using a 9AH Amaron Battery which directly fits into the same housing of the stock battery and are happy with it. Have personally used it for around 45K kms, in a span of 1.5years. Not once did it even cough.

P.S: Just make sure that the rest of the electrical are healthy enough.

**SatSon** · 12-18-2013, 12:44 PM

Re: Karizma R 2009 : Please suggest

Originally posted by psr View Post

The Karizmas never give up on their owners...

The bike can run safely with headlight with a flat battery for many thousands of Kms. I had done the same just to check the Generator's capability, and was sweetly surprised to find the ZMA's capacity. If battery is bad, self start will not work, Horn will be weak..

I have read somewhere that it is not good to run bikes with DC ignition with out battery, as it may damage CDI?
Is it true?

**psr** · 12-18-2013, 12:59 PM

Re: Karizma R 2009 : Please suggest

Originally posted by SatSon View Post

I have read somewhere that it is not good to run bikes with DC ignition with out battery, as it may damage CDI?
Is it true?

Me and Mr.Phaniker are standing examples of this not being true...there are many I know of who had a complete shut down of other Electrical function due to blown fuse, bad wire harness, but ZMA ran without hiccup and they returned from long tours safely...
Most of the full DC Electric design are also Regulated and have the power to run the bike on dead or bad battery...Even Ninja's have the same capability, though the DRL will somewhat restrict their Idle quality and top speed.

**ravi@17bhp** · 12-18-2013, 01:03 PM

Re: Karizma R 2009 : Please suggest

I remember riding my bike for a whole month with dead battery, dead to the extent that even neutral light won't glow. I have seen many karizma owners riding with just kickstart for months and months. And we may find many owners who don't care for their bike and ride just like that for years with dead battery.

But, all these cases are with battery still in the circuit, even if its dead. Never tried riding with disconnected battery.

**rreneav1987** · 12-18-2013, 01:07 PM

Re: Karizma R 2009 : Please suggest

Originally posted by psr View Post

Me and Mr.Phaniker are standing examples of this not being true...there are many I know of who had a complete shut down of other Electrical function due to blown fuse, bad wire harness, but ZMA ran without hiccup and they returned from long tours safely...
Most of the full DC Electric design are also Regulated and have the power to run the bike on dead or bad battery...Even Ninja's have the same capability, though the DRL will somewhat restrict their Idle quality and top speed.

I am another standing example. I had run my Karizma without a battery for more than 2 weeks back in 2008. I was a college going student and my dad was not ready to shell out money to get me a new battery. The old battery terminals went kaput. I removed the battery and was using it for 2 weeks after which mom arranged money to get me a new battery.. moms are the best

The ZMRs don't have a kick start and they don't start without a battery so this is a major drawback which many ZMR users might face

**phanikar** · 12-18-2013, 01:11 PM

Re: Karizma R 2009 : Please suggest

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

But, all these cases are with battery still in the circuit, even if its dead. Never tried riding with disconnected battery.

Can guarantee you on that as well, Tried it before switching to the current Amaron

Wanted to make sure that the battery is completely dead before i go for a new one, So had run the bike few time when it was given to charge. Zma works perfectly during day time, even without battery in its place.

**YashwanthBK** · 12-18-2013, 02:28 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

@YashwanthBK - the symptoms points to aged and dying battery in my opinion. You can go for a new battery. Offcourse there are options to choose from but I'm using 7ah exide which I recently changed and it works fine. I got 60/55w Philips Extreme Vision, 5w X2 pilot lamps and dual horn which I got pulsars hi tone horn added along with stock in my bike. So far have not faced issues at all. Let others share their thoughts and help you decide the best for your bike.

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That's a nice setup you have got there Sriram ! Thanks for your suggestion

Originally posted by psr View Post

The Karizmas never give up on their owners...

The bike can run safely with headlight with a flat battery for many thousands of Kms. I had done the same just to check the Generator's capability, and was sweetly surprised to find the ZMA's capacity. If battery is bad, self start will not work, Horn will be weak..

I second that too @psr sir ! One of the very few trustworthy machines currently in production

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Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Not advised. Get the battery changed as well. Why take risks during a night ride? You can get yourself a 7AH MF battery and plonk a 55w halogen. Its plug and play. But do not take risks with your life with a dead battery. The cells are gone and god forbid if it gives up on you at night you'll be in trouble.

Yes @Divya Sharan i go with you. Thanks for your advice!

**YashwanthBK** · 12-18-2013, 04:35 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Thank you all for your valuable suggestions ! Will update here soon after the upgrade

**Divya Sharan** · 12-18-2013, 05:02 PM

Re: Karizma R 2009 : Please suggest

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

The ZMRs don't have a kick start and they don't start without a battery so this is a major drawback which many ZMR users might face

What about push start? Ever attempted it without a battery/with a dead battery?

**rreneav1987** · 12-18-2013, 06:17 PM

Re: Karizma R 2009 : Please suggest

Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

What about push start? Ever attempted it without a battery/with a dead battery?

Been there, done that.. without a battery, the ZMR will not start and same goes with the Dazzler

with a dead battery, push start works. it seemed like it needed the circuit to be complete.. you know i had issues with the stock battery and the second battery.. during that period I had to push start the bike many time.. after I changed the starter relay to Minda and the battery to Amaron 9AH, the bike is back to perfect

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