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**Joel** · 12-03-2008, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by Samarth 619

I have ridden both bikes. and R15's low end is better than RTR ... Believe me, R15 would be great for you. Reg. Acceleration, here it is:-->

R15 - 5.12 Secs.
FZ16 - 5.2 Secs. (Source: Bike India)

RTR - I think it maybe around 5.5 Secs. (I'm not sure!)

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I'm just wondering if you know the actual meaning of LOW-END-TORQUE. So you saying the R15 has better low end while I own both and know the RTR is 100 times better.
Kindly explain what do u mean by low end torque and how do u actually think the R15 packs more low-end? Have u actually ridden the two properly? Have u thrashed an FZ to know how it performs?

FYI a stock HH xtreme can beat the pulp out of the FZ, forget the RTR.
Also going by your BikeIndia's 0-60 figues, I strongly disagree the above.

The R15 clocks 60 in 4.72secs in reality on a v-box and the RTR FI does in 4.7secs. The carb RTR is 4.8Secs.
Forget the FZ beating the RTR even in its dreams with the right riders. I can bet anything u ask on this, game?

Note - Assumption is no where close to reality.

**Aryan** · 12-03-2008, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Joel View Post

The R15 clocks 60 in 4.72secs in reality on a v-box and the RTR FI does in 4.7secs. The carb RTR is 4.8Secs.
Forget the FZ beating the RTR even in its dreams with the right riders.

@Joel: Those figures really made me sit up and take notice of the RTR.

Are you talking about the RTR Fi or the carb?

P.S: Now, where does the P200 stand in all this?

**Aparajith** · 12-03-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Aryan View Post

P.S: Now, where does the P200 stand in all this?

Do u really want to hit on that area especially with Joel ??

**Aryan** · 12-03-2008, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by Aparajith View Post

Do u really want to hit on that area especially with Joel ??

Ha Ha..Nope, I wouldn't dare to..

I am JUST asking for my information sake, as I myself am a owner of a P-200..

**Aparajith** · 12-03-2008, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Aryan View Post

Ha Ha..Nope, I wouldn't dare to..

I am JUST asking for my information sake, as I myself am a owner of a P-200..

I guess it should come around the 4.75 mark as the RTR-carb stands neck and neck with the 200 just edging it out and loosing out to the Fi. Joel should be able to confirm and give accurate figures.

P.S : This is just a wild, blind guess.

**rossiter** · 12-03-2008, 05:51 PM

By and large, you are not supposed to use your rear brakes as your primary braking source. Doing so, could be a reason why the brake pads are wearing out fast.

Or it could just be a genuine issue. It's anyone's guess. But going by other R15 owners who are not facing any issues with the pads, I have a feeling it's more to do with the usage. The guys who are having this issue could confirm this by posting back about it.

**Samarth 619** · 12-03-2008, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Joel View Post

I'm just wondering if you know the actual meaning of LOW-END-TORQUE. So you saying the R15 has better low end while I own both and know the RTR is 100 times better.
Kindly explain what do u mean by low end torque and how do u actually think the R15 packs more low-end? Have u actually ridden the two properly? Have u thrashed an FZ to know how it performs?

FYI a stock HH xtreme can beat the pulp out of the FZ, forget the RTR.
Also going by your BikeIndia's 0-60 figues, I strongly disagree the above.

The R15 clocks 60 in 4.72secs in reality on a v-box and the RTR FI does in 4.7secs. The carb RTR is 4.8Secs.
Forget the FZ beating the RTR even in its dreams with the right riders. I can bet anything u ask on this, game?

Note - Assumption is no where close to reality.

@ Joel: so you say RTR is better at low end? Dude, torque is different from gearing. Just because it is undergeared doesn't mean it's torque is good.

I still remember that carrying 2 heavy persons, R15 was able to pull @ 33 kmph acceptably (in 6th cog which is over driven if you know!) ... RTR may do so in 5th but RTR's 5th is in very different Ratio ... ok?

Take it this way. Compare 5th of RTR to 4th on R15 ... since RTR's more undergeared ... You'll know the answer!

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Regarding Figures, Why don't you send a letter to Bike India rather than picking on me?

Come on dude, I felt R15 is a Bit better than RTR after driving both (Slow) ... & You say RTR is "100 times" better ???

... <<HTML Code: Laughing Smiley x 100 times>>

**Aryan** · 12-03-2008, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by Aparajith View Post

I guess it should come around the 4.75 mark as the RTR-carb stands neck and neck with the 200 just edging it out and loosing out to the Fi. Joel should be able to confirm and give accurate figures.

P.S : This is just a wild, blind guess.

Let's wait for Joel to reply if he would else it is heading for a war for sure, as I see it (not from my side but perhaps from other "envious", so called "proud" P-200 owners)..

**Aparajith** · 12-03-2008, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Aryan View Post

Let's wait for Joel to reply if he would else it is heading for a war for sure, as I see it (not from my side but perhaps from other "envious", so called "proud" P-200 owners)..

Quite true! Lets wait for the accurate figures and I can edit my post accordingly

@Rossiter : Quite true. I have completed 4.5K kms and no issues with the rear brake pads or anything. In fact going for my third free service in a week or so.

**satyenpoojary** · 12-03-2008, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

@ Joel: so you say RTR is better at low end? Dude, torque is different from gearing. Just because you said that it was undergeared doesn't mean it's torque is good.

I still remember that carrying 2 heavy persons, R15 was able to pull @ 33 kmph acceptably (in 6th cog which is over driven if you know!) ... RTR may do so in 5th but RTR's 5th is very different ... ok?

Take it this way. Compare 5th of RTR to 4th on R15 ... since RTR's more undergeared ... You'll know the answer!

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Regarding Figures, I am playing Safe. Clearly mentioned Bike India's Figures. not mine. Why don't you send a letter to Bike India rather than picking on me?

Come on dude, I felt R15 is better than RTR after driving both (Slow) ... So, am I wrong if I say, What I observed?

Absolutely agreed, and the roses are red and the sky is blue, so i guess the Fz is a much better bike....

Duh! Is there even a co-relation?

**satyenpoojary** · 12-03-2008, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by Samarth 619

^ What is happening? I didn't even mention FZ?

This post will be deleted by me later ..

You will know what i mean at 9AM in the morning

(sorry mods :P couldnt resist)

**Joel** · 12-03-2008, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

@ Joel: so you say RTR is better at low end? Dude, torque is different from gearing. Just because it is undergeared doesn't mean it's torque is good.

I still remember that carrying 2 heavy persons, R15 was able to pull @ 33 kmph acceptably (in 6th cog which is over driven if you know!) ... RTR may do so in 5th but RTR's 5th is in very different Ratio ... ok?

Take it this way. Compare 5th of RTR to 4th on R15 ... since RTR's more undergeared ... You'll know the answer!

--
Regarding Figures, Why don't you send a letter to Bike India rather than picking on me?

Come on dude, I felt R15 is a Bit better than RTR after driving both (Slow) ...

Dude, you always seems to be talking about the RTRs gearing. Gearing is irrelevant here. The torque laid by the engine is irrespective of the gearing. The R15 wakes up only after 5000rom, so how on earth will it have better low end?
I own both the bikes and I know which one to pick for city run abouts. Thats obviously the RTR. Lets not talk about your "one-off experience" with an R15. And take a look at an R15's dyno chart if you can ever find one to see how much low end torque that engine produces.

Why the hell should I send a letter to BikeIndia, they are doing their job however they can/could. It was YOU who quoted their figures here, they never asked you to...did they?
My friend is an editor at a leading auto mag and the figures on the RTR/R15 is from their V-box tests. He is an excellent rider and hence the results are better.

BTW, you dont DRIVE a bike, u ride it!

Also, I'm just wondering...dude why do u always sound/get so controversial with every topic/thread/post. "chalta Firtha Vivaad"....what a name...Quite true!

@aryan - The RTR FI is faster than the P200 in every end. Acceleration to top-end. And the RTR carb is equivalent to the P200 and faster than the p180. Take it with a pinch of salt or not.

. Ultimately real world tests in front of the speedgun by good riders will conclude which is better.
RTR FI is slower to the R15 in outright top-speed by a bit.

**Aparajith** · 12-03-2008, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Joel View Post

Ultimately real world tests in front if the speedgun by good riders will conclude which is better.

And we are all eagerly waiting for the same!!!

**Aryan** · 12-03-2008, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by Joel View Post

@aryan - The RTR FI is faster than the P200 in every end. Acceleration to top-end. And the RTR carb is equivalent to the P200 and faster than the p180. Take it with a pinch of salt or not.

. Ultimately real world tests in front if the speedgun by good riders will conclude which is better.

Bajaj should drown in a bucket full of water..

Thanks Joel.

**Joel** · 12-03-2008, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Aryan View Post

Bajaj should drown in a bucket full of water..

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So will a lot of p180/p200 owners

he he he.

@Apar - This is due since a very long time. I have an RTR FI and RTR ready, just need one P200 and P180 for the test. Lets see maybe this weekend. Thing is I hardly have any pals with pulsars

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