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    I got this tachometer sourced . Now I plan to get this fixed into Honda Twister. Cost : 500 rs. As it can be seen it has three inputs : one from battery,one ground and other is for pulse ( blue one ). This meter will show frequency of incoming pulse received.

    @ joseph: can you please help me about location from where to take this pulse input. I enquired from one mechanic and as per him input should be taken from sniffing into spark plug wire. I am bit sceptical about this mechanic advice as you said spark voltage is in range of tens of thousands. My idea is ...to take it from location from where you are taking to measure RPM. If possible, a pic would be of great help. second , for powering this meter can i run direct wire from battery ? Thanks !!!
    Last edited by MoonLight; 03-10-2013, 01:46 AM.

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    • Bro,where are you?Seems as if you are out on a Sunday trip.I'm waiting for the pics.Please make it fast.I'm feeling really isolated.
      Last edited by smartrider; 03-10-2013, 10:13 PM.

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      • Originally posted by MoonLight View Post
        @ joseph: can you please help me about location from where to take this pulse input. I enquired from one mechanic and as per him input should be taken from sniffing into spark plug wire. I am bit sceptical about this mechanic advice as you said spark voltage is in range of tens of thousands. My idea is ...to take it from location from where you are taking to measure RPM. If possible, a pic would be of great help. second , for powering this meter can i run direct wire from battery ? Thanks !!!
        Where on earth did you get that from :-o

        To find the wire I took, open the Left side panel, there will be a rubber sleeve with some connectors. Raise the sleeve to the top so you can see the connecters. Among the wires, one will be an isolated green+yellow wire with a seperate connector and not housed into the molex connecter. along with the other wires. That is the wire I took. But first we need to find out what inout works for your meter. If you dont want to test on your bike, another way would be to get a 240v to 9v or 12v transformer and connect 230v to ac and one wire of output to meter pulse input and other to ground. Power the meter from another 12v source. If it doesnt work like that or from the wire I said, then it should be designed for the spark plug voltage. For the power, you can connect to the ignition key, so it doesnt run when switched off.

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        • Originally posted by smartrider View Post
          Bro,where are you?Seems as if you are out on a Sunday trip.I'm waiting for the pics.Please make it fast.I'm feeling really isolated.
          Sorry bro, was out whole day for some ripping. I have the videos for the flasher and the tacho below and most pics were attached in previous post. Anything else you need?

          Digital Tachometer for Honda CB Twister - YouTube

          Headlight LED Flasher on CB Twister - YouTube

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          • Bro,you didn't upload the tyre change pic.Please do.

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            • Originally posted by joseph.alukka View Post
              Where on earth did you get that from :-o
              Actually I am ecstatic. Tachometer is only thing that I wished to have in my bike which was missing in Twister and I GOT it . Actually there are quite few chinese vendors who are making these kind of tachometers. As I know Delhi is hub for all chinese imports, I searched in Karol Bagh and got it. But I really liked your bike's tachometer, its quite good job. Problem with my tacho is ...it needs to fitted outside . But still something is better than nothing.

              Originally posted by joseph.alukka View Post
              To find the wire I took, open the Left side panel, there will be a rubber sleeve with some connectors. Raise the sleeve to the top so you can see the connecters. Among the wires, one will be an isolated green+yellow wire with a seperate connector and not housed into the molex connecter. along with the other wires. That is the wire I took. But first we need to find out what inout works for your meter. If you dont want to test on your bike, another way would be to get a 240v to 9v or 12v transformer and connect 230v to ac and one wire of output to meter pulse input and other to ground. Power the meter from another 12v source. If it doesnt work like that or from the wire I said, then it should be designed for the spark plug voltage. For the power, you can connect to the ignition key, so it doesnt run when switched off.
              Bro, as always I am really thankful to you for this information.I looked for any piece of document/technical specs within box but sadly nothing was found. So I am gonna rely on your advice. First, I will connect to point from where you are taking input. It will safer that spark plug input and even if it does not work it will not atleast harm meter itself because as you said it is just 10v ac. This is my thought, what you think ? For ground wire, I think I can use bike chasis. For powering the meter.....should we use 9v or 12v source ?

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              • Originally posted by MoonLight View Post
                Actually I am ecstatic. Tachometer is only thing that I wished to have in my bike which was missing in Twister and I GOT it . Actually there are quite few chinese vendors who are making these kind of tachometers. As I know Delhi is hub for all chinese imports, I searched in Karol Bagh and got it. But I really liked your bike's tachometer, its quite good job. Problem with my tacho is ...it needs to fitted outside . But still something is better than nothing.



                Bro, as always I am really thankful to you for this information.I looked for any piece of document/technical specs within box but sadly nothing was found. So I am gonna rely on your advice. First, I will connect to point from where you are taking input. It will safer that spark plug input and even if it does not work it will not atleast harm meter itself because as you said it is just 10v ac. This is my thought, what you think ? For ground wire, I think I can use bike chasis. For powering the meter.....should we use 9v or 12v source ?
                You should supply it 12vdc. Ground can be connected to chasis, the red should goto ignition key or for testing, you could connect it directly to battery and the blue wire to the green+yellow wire I told. this wire is safe, produces some low voltage, just to pulse it, nothing more.

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                • Originally posted by smartrider View Post
                  Bro,you didn't upload the tyre change pic.Please do.
                  Here is the rear tyre. 100mm wide over stock 80. Cost 1850 inc fitting. Tubeless.

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                  • Originally posted by joseph.alukka View Post
                    So the below pic shows my present instrument console. The whole console is ambient lighted by a white led strip. Stock 5W lamps were removed, and this strip wired to ignition key so this pic represents with ignition key on and engine off. No glowing of meter console with rpm. Earlier it was blue, but the red parts of the dial and odometer were unreadable, so switched to white and all my friends loved it. The Digital tachometer can be seen next to it, it displays 'OFF' when engine is not running and the rpm in Thousands in 2 digits with one decimal point. The 'OFF' indicator was an idea of mine to avoid showing 0.0 and took just 2 lines of code
                    le, but the problem is they have to be installed outside. I dont know how they work, but this project of mine works on a simple idea. There is a firing signal line from the flywheel to the CDI ignition unit which fires the spark plug. The line is connected to a tiny coil inside the gearbox and a magnet is stuck on the flywheel which when passes by the coil on every engine rotation generating a voltage near 10v ac and tells the cdi to fire the sparks. This technology is from Honda and every bike has it built in. So after some research, I came to find that there is a pulse for every rotation meaning it indicates the engine RPM. I designed a frequency counter using the chip and Hitech C to count these pulses per second. After some interesting maths inside the chip, it displays the engine RPM live on the display. The spark plug line has over 20,000V and it is very hard to use it for precision electronics, so while tinkering I found this line, which helped me build the project. There is no cutting involved, just insert the wire to the existing connector from the engine and power the circuit from the ignition key and you are good to go. I dont have a real tachometer to calibrate is precisely, but as far as my calculations are correct, the error should be +/- 200RPM which is negligible. My driving is based on the tacho, I rarely check the speedo. I drive with the tacho and I get excellent mileage.

                    Nice work bro. My speedo meter is also looks same but i'm using T10 LED's instead of LED strip.
                    Digital RPM meter is really good. If possible detail it in separate thread, will be usefull for every one.

                    I'm sure there is only one coil present in our bike. That is having 12 poles stator which is winded by a single copper wire, so there is no separate coil or poles for lighting like in old pulsars.

                    In my bike i've grounded everything in body only. Including AC headlight.

                    The tail light is good . What i'm getting from that is, it's for continues run but how it'll glow when we apply brake.
                    Why don't you try a LED indicators.
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                    • Looks better than the tiny stock one.Thanks bro.I too am planning of a tyre change.

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                      • My next mod is Integrated LED danger lights on side Indicators.
                        For this i've to open the indicator assembly but i dont like that. so i searched a indicator which is having a removable cover finally found HONDA Stunner & CBR both are same. It's looks good as well as.
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                        • Originally posted by smartrider View Post
                          Looks better than the tiny stock one.Thanks bro.I too am planning of a tyre change.
                          I'll show you another angle later.. It looks better than this pic in real. As wide as a 150cc's tyre and makes the bike look normal rather than tiny. Cornering is good, mileage and ride height increased owing to more diameter for this tyre, and braking improved several times, still not what I expect out of a tyre, but thats the best we can get with the hard compound.

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                          • Originally posted by rajaselvam_1987 View Post
                            Nice work bro. My speedo meter is also looks same but i'm using T10 LED's instead of LED strip. Digital RPM meter is really good. If possible detail it in separate thread, will be usefull for every one.
                            Thanks bro. Using single lights made some part of the meter darker, so used a strip for even distribution of light. And the tacho, Im giving the code and schematic out for people who asks for it, but most of them wont make it due to the requirement of a pic programmer hardware.

                            I'm sure there is only one coil present in our bike. That is having 12 poles stator which is winded by a single copper wire, so there is no separate coil or poles for lighting like in old pulsars.
                            Bro, I donno how to make you believe this, but this is a wiring diagram of Honda dio which has almost similar setup as Twister except for the DC headlamps, hence grounded headlight and extra relay. http://mt-ruapehu.com/wp-content/upl.../honda_dio.gif And this is a wiring diagram of Activa which is also the same. I have seen splendor, CD100, pulsar, and almost all bike's wiring diagram, they all have a seperate 60v coil and a 12v coil as you can see from this diagram. http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/k...ing_2000px.jpg The only difference on the newer bikes like karizma and all is that they have a 3 phase alternator, so one more extra wire. I've opened up the gearbox and confirmed this, you can test the voltages at the molex connector outside the engine on LHS, rest it upto you to believe or not.

                            The tail light is good . What i'm getting from that is, it's for continues run but how it'll glow when we apply brake.
                            Bro the video is with the brakes applied, it doesnt keep running up and down normally. Only when it brakes, it does that. From what I see on the mirror, I get everyone's attention while braking. The tail leds which which put on along with the headlights are in between these leds and were off in the video.

                            Why don't you try a LED indicators.
                            I thought about it, but the problem is that leds, no matter however bright, cannot be seen in sunlight unless covered from all sides. I use it often while changing lanes, and so need a faster responding indicator rather than a 1 sec delayed existing ones, so thinking about getting a couple 1/2W yellow leds if available. Lets see.
                            Last edited by joseph.alukka; 03-12-2013, 11:54 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by joseph.alukka View Post
                              I'll show you another angle later.. It looks better than this pic in real. As wide as a 150cc's tyre and makes the bike look normal rather than tiny. Cornering is good, mileage and ride height increased owing to more diameter for this tyre, and braking improved several times, still not what I expect out of a tyre, but thats the best we can get with the hard compound.
                              Yes thats correct. I have seen couple of Twisters on road maybe with ceat vertigo fitted on them. Really I have to give second look to confirm that they are indeed Twisters. Bigger tyre on Twisters really change their looks.

                              Joseph, I just want to ensure....you mean to say mileage increased despite bigger,fatter tyre ??

                              So here is first mileage report from me...total bike run for 360 KMs. Measured mileage reserve to reserve, filled petrol of rs 100 and it ran for 100 KMs. Now petrol price in delhi is arnd 70 rs...so mileage comes out to be arnd 70 KMPL !!! Bike still has to go for first service, first oil change was done at 200 KMs.

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                              • Today i faced an accident in my bike. One Tata ACE F***er hited me from behind even i gave the way for him to go .. Luckily i got escaped with some small scratches due to proper riding gears. But my bike RH side almost gone, Handle bar got entirely Folded (not a bend) & the tank got dimple near the logo due to handle bar impression. Bumber, foot rest got bended & mirror, indicator gone.

                                Gave the bike to service center because the handle bar is not available in local.
                                They quoted 600rs for Handle bar alone and told me to get back the bike by evening 3.00pm

                                Totally today is BAD day for me.

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