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**ZeNashB** · 11-06-2010, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by ironman View Post

Yes. Agree. But lets wait for Honda themselves to reveal the price. Till then lets dream and keep hopes high, not speculate(unless on a sensible platform). Speculation has taken tons of space in each thread where the launch of a good bike is being discussed about

. Maybe we should have a section called 'Speculations' along with the news section

Sensible speculation. Hmmmm, we speculate based on what ''we think'' about what could happen in the future. Its a highly volatile and relative word. What might be ''sensible speculation'' for me, might be wildly outrageous to you

Basically, what is xBHP without it?

Originally posted by bluevolt View Post

Speculation is fun - kinda a lottery kind of thing. I speculated wildly before the launch of the Ninja 250R and it was fun! My guess was around Rs.2 lakhs, and it came in at 3 lakhs. Without speculations, the forum would be a very boring place!

Ok - now my speculation for the Honda CBR 250.

The fully loaded ABS version will come in at Rs. 190,000 ex-showroom! I will not edit this post - lets see what the actual price comes to in March.

Awesome :P I still feel anything under 2lac is a good price

**punisherr** · 11-06-2010, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

Care to explain more or are you some automobile analyst with BIG credentials that your words should be taken at face-value?

hey u take it or leave it but wil see who will eat their words come march

**darkknight** · 11-06-2010, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by ZeNashB View Post

Isn't it a surety that the bike WILL be cheaper than the Ninja250R? Then, we should all be happy and hope for the best!

Because any price less than 3.2Lac on-road is a price worth thinking about

?????

really?

**satan69in** · 11-06-2010, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by punisherr View Post

hey u take it or leave it but wil see who will eat their words come march

if you have some substantial proof or source to what your are implying or saying then please post it here,otherwise dont make these kind of remarks...the price factor of 1.5L below is shown and told by different sources...yes we still dont know the correct tag but atleast there are sources right..post your source so we can appreciate it

**1235sam** · 11-06-2010, 03:25 PM

I dont know why you guys think 1.5 is too low for this bike. Consider Hero Honda ZMR , add a better engine( few more CCs and much more power) - 1.5 is decent price, anything over might be overpriced.What is so special about CBR 250R to make it worth more than 1.5 ? Ninja 250's true price is 2.2 L ,we have to pay 30 percent export duty whereas CBR will be made in India. Ninja has much better engine, 2 cylender and more power so IMHO 1.5 - 1.75 is good price for this bike

**chickyheart** · 11-06-2010, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by 1235sam View Post

I dont know why you guys think 1.5 is too low for this bike. Consider Hero Honda ZMR , add a better engine( few more CCs and much more power) - 1.5 is decent price, anything over might be overpriced.What is so special about CBR 250R to make it worth more than 1.5 ? Ninja 250's true price is 2.2 L ,we have to pay 30 percent export duty whereas CBR will be made in India. Ninja has much better engine, 2 cylender and more power so IMHO 1.5 - 1.75 is good price for this bike

well said...i was also thinking to book a ninja but i am not waiting for the honda cbr 250r,and also heard some rumors about yamaha 250cc...
will wait till next april

**honda_vings** · 11-07-2010, 03:09 PM

Hey guys
If u can't stop speculating ,just justify why u feel so ?
like this one
Honda has really learnt a lot from yamaha that how their lavishly expensive to own FZ-16 is selling more then twice the number of their extremely practical ,full-paisa vasool Unicorn .The two wheeler market is the oppsite of 4-wheelers market .The full-paisa vasool cars like Swift ,Indica ,Ritz, Dzire etc sells in much much more number then their super-refined competetors like Fabia ,Jazz etc .So ,according to me they are gonna make this a little more powerfull then R15 and ZMR and will price it slightly more then their rival's price .Maximum price difference of Rs. 20,000 .
Related sources for above speculations :
Few months earlier ,HMSI president said they are looking forward to produce a motorcycle in Karizma range .
Try to understand guyz ,its the same FZ game played by yamaha now being played by honda .Anybody will spend 10-20% extra for an extremely gorgeous looking bike and wont compromise on features just for few thousand bucks.
wht say ?

**entsurgeon** · 11-07-2010, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by honda_vings View Post

Hey guys
If u can't stop speculating ,just justify why u feel so ?
like this one
Honda has really learnt a lot from yamaha that how their lavishly expensive to own FZ-16 is selling more then twice the number of their extremely practical ,full-paisa vasool Unicorn .The two wheeler market is the oppsite of 4-wheelers market .The full-paisa vasool cars like Swift ,Indica ,Ritz, Dzire etc sells in much much more number then their super-refined competetors like Fabia ,Jazz etc .So ,according to me they are gonna make this a little more powerfull then R15 and ZMR and will price it slightly more then their rival's price .Maximum price difference of Rs. 20,000 .
Related sources for above speculations :
Few months earlier ,HMSI president said they are looking forward to produce a motorcycle in Karizma range .
Try to understand guyz ,its the same FZ game played by yamaha now being played by honda .Anybody will spend 10-20% extra for an extremely gorgeous looking bike and wont compromise on features just for few thousand bucks.
wht say ?

Indeed.. Finance-purchase is the cause. For a refined car ... Difference in emi is 2-5k... Whereas for bikes ,for less thn 2k per month, u can get r15 instead of fz. Temptinggg!!!

**ironman** · 11-07-2010, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by honda_vings View Post

Hey guys
If u can't stop speculating ,just justify why u feel so ?
like this one
Honda has really learnt a lot from yamaha that how their lavishly expensive to own FZ-16 is selling more then twice the number of their extremely practical ,full-paisa vasool Unicorn .The two wheeler market is the oppsite of 4-wheelers market .The full-paisa vasool cars like Swift ,Indica ,Ritz, Dzire etc sells in much much more number then their super-refined competetors like Fabia ,Jazz etc .So ,according to me they are gonna make this a little more powerfull then R15 and ZMR and will price it slightly more then their rival's price .Maximum price difference of Rs. 20,000 .
Related sources for above speculations :
Few months earlier ,HMSI president said they are looking forward to produce a motorcycle in Karizma range .
Try to understand guyz ,its the same FZ game played by yamaha now being played by honda .Anybody will spend 10-20% extra for an extremely gorgeous looking bike and wont compromise on features just for few thousand bucks.
wht say ?

Frankly you're making very little sense here. The bike we are talking about can't be just any other bike from Honda. It's a bike which will hit not only India and Thailand but the international markets as well. So if it's priced just 20k more than a ZMR/R15, the price is not at all justified. The CBR 250 has got specs which will easily cost you a lot more than that. Just visit the Honda worldwide website and you'll know. The only reason it might come cheap is because it is going to be manufactured here.

But good point about how the FZ sells better than the unicorn because of it's better looks, despite a slightly higher price tag.

**satan69in** · 11-07-2010, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by honda_vings View Post

Hey guys
If u can't stop speculating ,just justify why u feel so ?
like this one
Honda has really learnt a lot from yamaha that how their lavishly expensive to own FZ-16 is selling more then twice the number of their extremely practical ,full-paisa vasool Unicorn .The two wheeler market is the oppsite of 4-wheelers market .The full-paisa vasool cars like Swift ,Indica ,Ritz, Dzire etc sells in much much more number then their super-refined competetors like Fabia ,Jazz etc .So ,according to me they are gonna make this a little more powerfull then R15 and ZMR and will price it slightly more then their rival's price .Maximum price difference of Rs. 20,000 .
Related sources for above speculations :
Few months earlier ,HMSI president said they are looking forward to produce a motorcycle in Karizma range .
Try to understand guyz ,its the same FZ game played by yamaha now being played by honda .Anybody will spend 10-20% extra for an extremely gorgeous looking bike and wont compromise on features just for few thousand bucks.
wht say ?

i really did not understand what you wanna imply here..can you be more detailed ?

**straight_curve** · 11-07-2010, 08:00 PM

I guess Honda should launch two versions of the 250. One, the regular 26-27 bhp model and the other, more sportier version at least matching Ninja 250 in BHP but the latter priced lower than Ninja 250. Yes there are two cylinders to boast in Ninja but if all other factors remain the same(Power, Good looks, handling, features) then I guess Honda 250 will be the choice at a lower price. The Honda brand image of reliability and refinement has enough to cover up for being a single rather than an inline twin.

**akhilmuraleedhar** · 11-07-2010, 09:24 PM

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this news is a stunner

**s_and_m** · 11-07-2010, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by ironman View Post

The bike we are talking about can't be just any other bike from Honda. It's a bike which will hit not only India and Thailand but the international markets as well. So if it's priced just 20k more than a ZMR/R15, the price is not at all justified. The CBR 250 has got specs which will easily cost you a lot more than that. Just visit the Honda worldwide website and you'll know. The only reason it might come cheap is because it is going to be manufactured here.

About the part in bold.. what do u mean? Should they hike up the price or reduce it?

Honda are using cheaper stuff and going for as much cost cutting as possible - just to keep the price in that area - esp for India. For e.g. the Overdrive guy in the video said that the Indian version will have Continental tires instead of IRC's - to cut down the price. And it is very important for Honda to keep it in that region coz India is a very price-sensitive market. The more optimal the looks/features/performance-to-price combination is, the better it will sell here. Case in point: FZ vs Unicorn.

Also, as far as i recall, there wasnt anything spectacular in the specs which should cost a bomb (The C-ABS is optional so the base model would be decently priced I think).

Originally posted by straight_curve View Post

I guess Honda should launch two versions of the 250. One, the regular 26-27 bhp model and the other, more sportier version at least matching Ninja 250 in BHP but the latter priced lower than Ninja 250. Yes there are two cylinders to boast in Ninja but if all other factors remain the same(Power, Good looks, handling, features) then I guess Honda 250 will be the choice at a lower price. The Honda brand image of reliability and refinement has enough to cover up for being a single rather than an inline twin.

For a single cyl to match a twin cyl in performance (more specifically power/speeds, if not torque), one would have to make an engineering marvel for the single cyl and employ relatively primitive engineering concepts for the twin if the cubic capacity of both the engines is to be kept the same. Correct me if I am wrong.

**ZeNashB** · 11-08-2010, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by ironman View Post

Frankly you're making very little sense here. The bike we are talking about can't be just any other bike from Honda. It's a bike which will hit not only India and Thailand but the international markets as well. So if it's priced just 20k more than a ZMR/R15, the price is not at all justified. The CBR 250 has got specs which will easily cost you a lot more than that. Just visit the Honda worldwide website and you'll know. The only reason it might come cheap is because it is going to be manufactured here.

But good point about how the FZ sells better than the unicorn because of it's better looks, despite a slightly higher price tag.

Errr, what do you mean? It should be costlier or cheaper? I don't think any bike should command a higher price tag JUST because its got extra technology. In India, that ideology rarely works. Bikes here sell primarily because of LOOKS and practicality

Their MBA graduates have a tough job at pricing this

**honda_vings** · 11-08-2010, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by ironman View Post

Frankly you're making very little sense here. The bike we are talking about can't be just any other bike from Honda. It's a bike which will hit not only India and Thailand but the international markets as well. So if it's priced just 20k more than a ZMR/R15, the price is not at all justified. The CBR 250 has got specs which will easily cost you a lot more than that. Just visit the Honda worldwide website and you'll know. The only reason it might come cheap is because it is going to be manufactured here.

But good point about how the FZ sells better than the unicorn because of it's better looks, despite a slightly higher price tag.

FYKI the specs of indian version are not yet disclosed .And according to the words of HMSI people in press ,the bike will hit directly R15 and ZMR the same way the FZ has hit all 150cc bikes in india and majority of pple will run towards d head and heart turner CBR instead of head turner R15 and ZMR .

Originally posted by satan69in View Post

i really did not understand what you wanna imply here..can you be more detailed ?

imply?..read the last 4 lines

Originally posted by s_and_m View Post

About the part in bold.. what do u mean? Should they hike up the price or reduce it?

Honda are using cheaper stuff and going for as much cost cutting as possible - just to keep the price in that area - esp for India. For e.g. the Overdrive guy in the video said that the Indian version will have Continental tires instead of IRC's - to cut down the price. And it is very important for Honda to keep it in that region coz India is a very price-sensitive market. The more optimal the looks/features/performance-to-price combination is, the better it will sell here. Case in point: FZ vs Unicorn.

Also, as far as i recall, there wasnt anything spectacular in the specs which should cost a bomb (The C-ABS is optional so the base model would be decently priced I think).

For a single cyl to match a twin cyl in performance (more specifically power/speeds, if not torque), one would have to make an engineering marvel for the single cyl and employ relatively primitive engineering concepts for the twin if the cubic capacity of both the engines is to be kept the same. Correct me if I am wrong.

den tell me how does R15(150cc) beats the hell out of p220cc and ZMR-225cc .nd yes R15 is a marvel of an engine and HONDA has the biggest R&D center and investments in R&d then Yamaha and Kawasaki .(No offence here).Also the higher the engine capacity/complexity ,the tougher is the refinement process .
The cost cutting is through power cutting not cheaper parts .A honda built in china is no different den the one built in India or Japan.This is what is called Internationally appreciated Brand.

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Honda CBR250R Launched in India at 1.43 ex showroom Delhi

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