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    Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
    I didn't know that, Thanks for filling me.
    Damn, RR is such a simple device, why do they charge such a big premium?



    Philips HID are great but needed to be bought in pairs if I'm not wrong. And one need to buy ballast separately, right?

    yes they come in pairs, if you can find one more friend who is interested in HID, you can buy together.

    What I think, good Chinese HID with proper mod can be as reliable as Philips.

    reliability is not an issue, even chinese ones last long enough

    It might damage reflector in long run, but then it's cheap to replace.

    yes, just that i felt replacing reflector every year (depending on your usage) is not very convienient.

    Even with that money one can get a projector as well. My assumptions can be wrong as I haven't done this. But seriously with new RR + Philips HID + separate ballast costs will easily escalate above 7000-8000.


    yes you can get a projector as well in that money.

    but in philips you don't have to buy ballasts seperately, i have never purchased it but i have read the package contents in a shop.

    We all on UG4 = full DC.
    "BCU bypass for starter"
    what do you mean by 'for starter'? I know BCU bypass for other things.

    ok, BCU bypass is for we ppl, who have UG3, since UG4 is already DC, all you need to do is increse battery charging just by coil rewinding. but first you need to check the stock charging current of your bike. you may not even need to change rr unit, as i have already checked that UG4 rr is capable of upto 5 amps output. once my ape rr kinked off due to cooling issues and i could not get another one in pune i used UG4 rr for a few days it worked well and measured its output too. so only thing is you have to increse the input to your stock rr.

    I too haven't met anyone except abhichotu.abhi.
    You guys decide when to meet.
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    • Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
      I too haven't met anyone except abhichotu.abhi.
      You guys decide when to meet.
      How about winding up this thing this week?
      we have today, tomorrow n saturday, I am free all three evenings
      what about you guys ?
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      • Originally posted by AntiqueBlue View Post
        How about winding up this thing this week?
        we have today, tomorrow n saturday, I am free all three evenings
        what about you guys ?
        Check pune thread...
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        • @eshan: I don't think I can come as I don't have all safety gears.
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          Meanwhile, bike is giving super low average. 33-35 kpl. What could be the reason?
          The bike is being barely used. once in a week or two. I keep very small amount of petrol in the tank. I think petrol is evaporating when the bike is not used, is that possible?
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          • Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
            @eshan: I don't think I can come as I don't have all safety gears.
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            Meanwhile, bike is giving super low average. 33-35 kpl. What could be the reason?
            The bike is being barely used. once in a week or two. I keep very small amount of petrol in the tank. I think petrol is evaporating when the bike is not used, is that possible?
            Evaporation is possible but not much. I guess the bike is out of tuning.

            No riding gears, that's not fair, you know I came up with full riding gears last time we met.

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            • Completed 20,000 Kms



              I bought "Antique Blue" in December 2010. Since then I have been very proud owner of this one of a kind hooligan. I learnt all the biking on this. This is my first ever bike, and we both grew together. It was like building strong relationship with her as time went pass. We had many falls, but with every fall, I got to learn what she doesn't like to be done with her.
              We have toured many places, been to Sinhgad, Mumbai, Malshej, Kaas, Goa, Lonavala, Banglore, Mulshi, Kolahpur, Lavasa, Khapoli, Kashid and Ahmedabad (In exactly this order). We have been together in every type of condition, be it 42 degree, or chilling winter nights or heavy rain lashed Ghats...
              She has been always stuck with me.
              We ridden every way, be it offroading, drags, corners, super fast straights, casual enjoying speed or sometimes even crawling. But everytime enjoyed each other's company.. And all this there has been one more friend tugging along, my Camera..always capturing our every trip.
              Today she is not in stock form..
              following are her current specs

              Spark Plugs : Iridium
              Headlight : 55/60 W
              Pilot lamp : Philips White light
              Rear Tyre : MRF Zapper Wyde
              Clutch Plates : New

              Mileage : 40 avg
              Top speed : 145 kmph
              Odometer : 20,004 km : 847 Kms
              Fastest run : 125 kms in 1 hour 10 mins
              Longest one day run
              Color : Still as shining as before, Plasma Blue


              Total Falls : 5
              Age : 1 year 5 months 13 days

              Most memorable trip : Home going trip to Ahmedabad done on 6th April

              And I am still not done with her, I guess won't be ever ..as there still lot to understand about her needs as we grow old together

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              • Hail 180... Loved the write up and congratulations for completing 20k kms...

                Keep her safe.
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                • Originally posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post
                  Evaporation is possible but not much. I guess the bike is out of tuning.
                  hmm possible. There are lots of backfires on deceleration. I pulled the plugs, set proper distance between electrodes. They were almost black from brown. Air filter is new. Carb is just cleaned a 500kms back. New motul 5100 in just 500 kms back.

                  Also yesterday when tank dried in mid road, it was in overflown state for 15 mins even after pouring petrol in. I think outside heat can be blamed for it.

                  Another thing I have over tightened the drive chain. There's no slackness. I'll put some slackness in it today or tomorrow.

                  Originally posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post
                  No riding gears, that's not fair, you know I came up with full riding gears last time we met.
                  Lol I didn't see them, where did hid them?

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                  @AntiqueBlue: Great companion you have got there. I bought mine a year before you and still done only 15K km. . I too have had 3-4 falls till date.
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                  • Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
                    @AntiqueBlue: Great companion you have got there. I bought mine a year before you and still done only 15K km. . I too have had 3-4 falls till date.
                    thank you

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                    • Originally posted by AntiqueBlue View Post
                      Spark Plugs : Iridium
                      Headlight : 55/60 W
                      Pilot lamp : Philips White light
                      Rear Tyre : MRF Zapper Wyde
                      Clutch Plates : New

                      Mileage : 40 avg
                      Top speed : 145 kmph
                      Odometer : 20,004 km : 847 Kms
                      Fastest run : 125 kms in 1 hour 10 mins
                      Longest one day run
                      Color : Still as shining as before, Plasma Blue


                      Total Falls : 5
                      Age : 1 year 5 months 13 days
                      Congrats for a clean ownership except for the five falls. I have had 4-5 falls too. How is the 55W Halogen performing any battery discharge issues?

                      Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
                      hmm possible. There are lots of backfires on deceleration. I pulled the plugs, set proper distance between electrodes. They were almost black from brown. Air filter is new. Carb is just cleaned a 500kms back. New motul 5100 in just 500 kms back.

                      Also yesterday when tank dried in mid road, it was in overflown state for 15 mins even after pouring petrol in. I think outside heat can be blamed for it.
                      Your carburetor setting is not right its too lean or Rich. There is a misconception that setting the mixture to lean gives good mileage although it does help but only upto an extent if the mixture is too lean than the bike might not give even the desired rated mileage.


                      Yeah, I think you did'nt noticed the riding gears as it was dark all around. Also it was a charming experience meeting at night that too @10'o clock. Night time is better for a meet IMO.
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                      • Originally posted by AntiqueBlue View Post
                        thank you
                        Where do you live ?
                        Near Wakad.
                        SO you coming to dhaba g2g, right?
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                        @princesirohoi: You coming too right?
                        Another thing, You're running fine on stock UG3 RR. UG4 RR should be even higher on charging capacity as being full DC every electrical component has to use electricity right through RR? I'm a little relieved.

                        Originally posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post
                        Your carburetor setting is not right its too lean or Rich. There is a misconception that setting the mixture to lean gives good mileage although it does help but only upto an extent if the mixture is too lean than the bike might not give even the desired rated mileage.
                        I think engine is running on rich side because, plug tips turned black, misfires happen with rich mixture and bike currently has very good pick up. If it was running lean then it would have introduced knocking, right? haven't experienced knocking in ages.

                        I think I'll note stock setting first and then see trying AFR screw clockwise, half a turn once, till I get good mix.

                        Originally posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post
                        Also it was a charming experience meeting at night that too @10'o clock. Night time is better for a meet IMO.
                        Aab next time darshan kab honge aapke?
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                        • Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
                          @princesirohoi: You coming too right?
                          Another thing, You're running fine on stock UG3 RR. UG4 RR should be even higher on charging capacity as being full DC every electrical component has to use electricity right through RR? I'm a little relieved.

                          when ?? where ?? which dhaba ??

                          no i am not running on stock ug3 rr, i have an ape rr.
                          stock ug3 rr is not sufficient.

                          but i had tried ug4 rr on my bike for a few days and measured its output, it was 5 amps, that means axact equal to ape rr, and it ran fine for few days, then i got an ape rr and changed it. so it confirms that if only stator is rewound with thicker gauge wire, your stock rr will do the job for a 35 watt HID.

                          and since ur bike is total DC, ur bike's stock charging may be just sufficient to run a 35 watt HID.

                          so first install an HID and see, if battery hold good, then no need to do anything, even if battery gets discharged all you need to do is rewound stator.

                          total cost= 1600 for chines HID + 300 for coil rewinding.

                          my bike has some serious engine problems and i will be attending it this sunday, so may be next week we can meet.
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                          • Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
                            Near Wakad.
                            I think engine is running on rich side because, plug tips turned black, misfires happen with rich mixture and bike currently has very good pick up. If it was running lean then it would have introduced knocking, right? haven't experienced knocking in ages.

                            I think I'll note stock setting first and then see trying AFR screw clockwise, half a turn once, till I get good mix.

                            Aab next time darshan kab honge aapke?
                            Backfire is caused due to lean mixture. It could also cause a drop in mileage. I don't know if the RICH mixture also causes backfire.

                            Rich Mixture means the carburetor is delivering too much gasoline. Typical symptoms of a rich mixture are:
                            • Poor fuel economy
                            • Sluggish acceleration
                            • Choke not needed from cold starts
                            • Sooty or black spark plugs
                            • Sooty or black muffler end pipes
                            • Strong smell of gasoline when machine is at idle
                            • Uneven running (will often slow from regular idle rpm's and stop)


                            2) Lean Mixtures means the carburetor is delivering too much air. Typical symptoms of a lean mixture are:
                            • Backfires as the throttle is closed (primarily during coast-downs)
                            • Lurching acceleration
                            • White or light grey spark plugs
                            • Requires excessive amounts of choke to run/start
                            • White or light grey muffler end pipes
                            • Bluing (on chrome systems) of the exhaust header down-pipes


                            3) Incorrect Adjustment applies to carburetors that have incorrect adjustment of the air/fuel screw and the balance between two or more carburetors - where fitted. Incorrect adjustment can produce any of the previously noted symptoms. On multi-cylinder machines, with separate carburetors for each cylinder, the following symptoms are typical of an adjustment problem:

                            Source: Carburetor Problems - How to Diagnose Carburetor Problems


                            I will be soon in Pune may be in June, will inform you and others.


                            @princesrohi: Could any competent mechanic remove the stator coil or I need to go to a electrician to remove and refit it.

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                            • @prince: Oh I thought that was UG3 RR you were using. I'm not jumping on HID right now. I'll just do rewinding for now.

                              I'll do the rewinding myself, can you point me to a propoer instructions info or something. I tried searching a little but didn't find the actual procedure.

                              Originally posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post
                              Backfire is caused due to lean mixture. It could also cause a drop in mileage. I don't know if the RICH mixture also causes backfire.

                              Rich Mixture means the carburetor is delivering too much gasoline. Typical symptoms of a rich mixture are:
                              • Poor fuel economy
                              • Sluggish acceleration
                              • Choke not needed from cold starts
                              • Sooty or black spark plugs
                              • Sooty or black muffler end pipes
                              • Strong smell of gasoline when machine is at idle
                              • Uneven running (will often slow from regular idle rpm's and stop)


                              2) Lean Mixtures means the carburetor is delivering too much air. Typical symptoms of a lean mixture are:
                              • Backfires as the throttle is closed (primarily during coast-downs)
                              • Lurching acceleration
                              • White or light grey spark plugs
                              • Requires excessive amounts of choke to run/start
                              • White or light grey muffler end pipes
                              • Bluing (on chrome systems) of the exhaust header down-pipes


                              3) Incorrect Adjustment applies to carburetors that have incorrect adjustment of the air/fuel screw and the balance between two or more carburetors - where fitted. Incorrect adjustment can produce any of the previously noted symptoms. On multi-cylinder machines, with separate carburetors for each cylinder, the following symptoms are typical of an adjustment problem:

                              Source: Carburetor Problems - How to Diagnose Carburetor Problems


                              I will be soon in Pune may be in June, will inform you and others.


                              @princesrohi: Could any competent mechanic remove the stator coil or I need to go to a electrician to remove and refit it.

                              Oh that's new. Didn't you yourself said that bike will have better pick on rich AFR?
                              They must have meant knocking instead of backfiring.
                              Nevertheless spark plugs are black here so that defines everything.

                              That stator coil is tad easy to remove. Look on bsmotoring, they have demo there.
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                              • Originally posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post
                                @princesrohi: Could any competent mechanic remove the stator coil or I need to go to a electrician to remove and refit it.
                                any mechanic can remove the stator plate, after removal of stator plate, give it to a good motor rewinding shop with proper instructions.

                                one thing to note is that your bike will not run without stator plate, so if u get it removed by mechanic, you have to push you bike to your home, so better is get it removed at ur home.

                                Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
                                @prince: Oh I thought that was UG3 RR you were using. I'm not jumping on HID right now. I'll just do rewinding for now.

                                ok, as you wish, but after rewinding, what will you do? you are planning for a 55/60 w halogen bulb ? HID is miles ahead. HID is like a drug addiction, once on HID, always on HID.

                                I'll do the rewinding myself, can you point me to a propoer instructions info or something. I tried searching a little but didn't find the actual procedure.

                                you want me to post the instructions here? the information is available in other threads, ya but a bit scattered.
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