Agree about the gearing. I'm looking for taller gearing.
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Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)
Oh wait I thought zma had 15t sprocket. Looks like I'm wrong. I need a reliable 15t sprocket.Originally posted by Cleaner View Post
Agree about the gearing. I'm looking for taller gearing.Last edited by lockhrt999; 11-07-2014, 05:32 PM.
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Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)
zma has 13T, i m sure.Originally posted by lockhrt999 View PostOh wait I thought zma had 15t sprocket. Looks like I'm wrong. I need a reliable 15t sprocket.
Agree about the gearing. I'm looking for taller gearing.
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Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)
Nice post. Last month i changed my rear sprocket with that of 220 with 36 teeth with lot of calculations. Now the pickup has decreased a bit but negligible. I am getting mileage of 52kmpl with 55-60kmph. Previously i was getting 44-47 with the same speed. For me undergearing was essential than overgearing it.Originally posted by John P Daniel View PostP180 needs 1l oil. Best to check oil level on mornings before starting bike. If your bike if fitted with oil cooler, its 1.15l as in p220. Else the engine may be taking oil..
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To my experience with bikes, stock pulsar 180 is having the best gearing setup. I never feel lag at any speed. My friend is using my rear sprocket in his 220. He says he is getting the best pickup ever. Overgearing P180 would be a sacrifice in mileage for sure.
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Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)
Well, finding 15T front sprocket would be hard, you could opt for P220's 36T rear sprocket. It would make the ratio 2.571. Everything else on both chains are same so it would be a direct fit.Originally posted by lockhrt999 View PostOh wait I thought zma had 15t sprocket. Looks like I'm wrong. I need a reliable 15t sprocket.
Agree about the gearing. I'm looking for taller gearing.
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Are you confused between overgearing and undergearing?Originally posted by Jackson Andrade View PostNice post. Last month i changed my rear sprocket with that of 220 with 36 teeth with lot of calculations. Now the pickup has decreased a bit but negligible. I am getting mileage of 52kmpl with 55-60kmph. Previously i was getting 44-47 with the same speed. For me undergearing was essential than overgearing it.
To my experience with bikes, stock pulsar 180 is having the best gearing setup. I never feel lag at any speed. My friend is using my rear sprocket in his 220. He says he is getting the best pickup ever. Overgearing P180 would be a sacrifice in mileage for sure.
What you did with your bike is overgearing, hence better fuel economy. I gotta admit, this sprocketing thing is really confusing.I am back!
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Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)
I would need to take out one or two links right?Originally posted by Cleaner View PostWell, finding 15T front sprocket would be hard, you could opt for P220's 36T rear sprocket. It would make the ratio 2.571. Everything else on both chains are same so it would be a direct fit.
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Dereasing gear ratio is undergearing right? Correct me if wrong. Best combustion occurs at 3000-4000 RPM in every pertol engine as per mechanical experts. So previosly my bike was at ~52.1 kmph at 4K. Now its 57.24 kmph at 4K RPM. So at 4000 RPM I cover 5KMS more for one hour. Hence there is increase in efficiency.Originally posted by Cleaner View PostWell, finding 15T front sprocket would be hard, you could opt for P220's 36T rear sprocket. It would make the ratio 2.571. Everything else on both chains are same so it would be a direct fit.
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Are you confused between overgearing and undergearing?
What you did with your bike is overgearing, hence better fuel economy. I gotta admit, this sprocketing thing is really confusing.
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Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)
No, There is nothing like best combustionOriginally posted by Jackson Andrade View PostDereasing gear ratio is undergearing right? Correct me if wrong. Best combustion occurs at 3000-4000 RPM in every pertol engine as per mechanical experts. So previosly my bike was at ~52.1 kmph at 4K. Now its 57.24 kmph at 4K RPM. So at 4000 RPM I cover 5KMS more for one hour. Hence there is increase in efficiency.
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At around 6000rpm Pulsars are said to have best fuel efficiency. I attained 52.6kmpl.
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My brother also told the same.. As per his experience, the bike can be driven below the max torque point(@6500rpm) for best efficiency. But the manner in which we gain speed affects mileage of the bike. [MENTION=35099]jackson[/MENTION] what's with the post? It's correct right?Originally posted by RSM2852 View PostNo, There is nothing like best combustion
At around 6000rpm Pulsars are said to have best fuel efficiency. I attained 52.6kmpl.
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Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)
AFAIK You don't have to. P220 DTSi has a wheelbase of 1350mm and P180 UG4 has a wheelbase of 1345mm, a 5mm of difference should not cause any harm. Also the chain of P220 DTSi and P180 UG4 has the same pitch (.520) and number of links (104), so it should be a direct fit, despite going down 3 teeth.Originally posted by lockhrt999 View PostI would need to take out one or two links right?
We can use the following formula to calculate Outside diameter (hereafter, OD) of a sprocket if the pitch (hereafter, P) and number of teeth on the sprocket (hereafter, N) is known
Here P=.520 and N=36, so it would be around 5.966 inches.
The stock 39T sprocket's OD is 6.462 inches.
Sprocket thickness remains same at .227 inches.
Both bike's chain have the same chain with identical number of links and identical swingarm, so it should be direct fit.
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Decreasing the gear ratio is overgearing. I don't know which mechanical experts are you talking about, but the optimal rev range of an IC engine depends on a lot of factors and the value is not same for all engines. I have seen aviation engines that are more efficient on high revs and some others, which are efficient at low revs, mostly motorcycle engines tend to be efficient around the mid range of the RPM band.Originally posted by Jackson Andrade View PostDereasing gear ratio is undergearing right? Correct me if wrong. Best combustion occurs at 3000-4000 RPM in every pertol engine as per mechanical experts. So previosly my bike was at ~52.1 kmph at 4K. Now its 57.24 kmph at 4K RPM. So at 4000 RPM I cover 5KMS more for one hour. Hence there is increase in efficiency.
You are right regarding the fuel economy thing, higher revs means higher speed, revs also gulp down fuel. If we could keep the speed same while lowering the revs, we could achieve better fuel efficiency, which is exactly overgearing does.
Lets just say, earlier you were at 4K RPM going at the speed of 50 Km/hr, now you are at 3.5K RPM while going at the same speed. So you saved up 500 RPM, which contributes towards better fuel efficiency.I am back!
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Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)
Thank you professor.Originally posted by Cleaner View PostAFAIK You don't have to. P220 DTSi has a wheelbase of 1350mm and P180 UG4 has a wheelbase of 1345mm, a 5mm of difference should not cause any harm. Also the chain of P220 DTSi and P180 UG4 has the same pitch (.520) and number of links (104), so it should be a direct fit, despite going down 3 teeth.
We can use the following formula to calculate Outside diameter (hereafter, OD) of a sprocket if the pitch (hereafter, P) and number of teeth on the sprocket (hereafter, N) is known
Here P=.520 and N=36, so it would be around 5.966 inches.
The stock 39T sprocket's OD is 6.462 inches.
Sprocket thickness remains same at .227 inches.
Both bike's chain have the same chain with identical number of links and identical swingarm, so it should be direct fit.
I don't think P220 rear sprocket can be bought separately?.
I think P180 is undergeared. Countless times I have tried to upshift from 5th gear. On my highway runs I really miss taller 6th gear. For SS, I think bike engine will be relaxed with taller gearing. And anyway I haven't fixed on SS. I'll do a Goa run which will be a test bed for me to check my capacity for SS. So sprocket change, HID+projector, Gel seat are on my list. I'm fixed on importing HID+projector in december.
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It's not that straightforward. Lets not forget, with overgearing torque is little sacrificed. So you need to rip accelerator a little more. So keeping overgeared bike at 3.5k RPM would take a little more fuel than keeping undergeared bike at same RPM. Yes, fuel average will increase but not like 5 kmpl for 5 kph increase.Originally posted by Cleaner View PostYou are right regarding the fuel economy thing, higher revs means higher speed, revs also gulp down fuel. If we could keep the speed same while lowering the revs, we could achieve better fuel efficiency, which is exactly overgearing does.
Lets just say, earlier you were at 4K RPM going at the speed of 50 Km/hr, now you are at 3.5K RPM while going at the same speed. So you saved up 500 RPM, which contributes towards better fuel efficiency.
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Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)
Yes. Sprocket cannot be brought seperately. I got it from my friend who is having a garage. His chain had broken and sprockets were good. For me, since its a smaller one the tensioner sits exactly at the last unit of adjuster. I haven't cut links yet, but i will do it. I had to test it. Now results are better.Originally posted by lockhrt999 View PostThank you professor.
I don't think P220 rear sprocket can be bought separately?.
I think P180 is undergeared. Countless times I have tried to upshift from 5th gear. On my highway runs I really miss taller 6th gear. For SS, I think bike engine will be relaxed with taller gearing. And anyway I haven't fixed on SS. I'll do a Goa run which will be a test bed for me to check my capacity for SS. So sprocket change, HID+projector, Gel seat are on my list. I'm fixed on importing HID+projector in december.
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It's not that straightforward. Lets not forget, with overgearing torque is little sacrificed. So you need to rip accelerator a little more. So keeping overgeared bike at 3.5k RPM would take a little more fuel than keeping undergeared bike at same RPM. Yes, fuel average will increase but not like 5 kmpl for 5 kph increase.
I need not rip more throttle in 180 because i always missed the 6th gear. Bike has lot of power in each gear and hence overgearing can be done easily. Just by the sound of bike we can feel its smoothness and efficiency.
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Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)
Looks you are mechanical. Me too bro.Originally posted by lockhrt999 View PostThank you professor.
I don't think P220 rear sprocket can be bought separately?.
I think P180 is undergeared. Countless times I have tried to upshift from 5th gear. On my highway runs I really miss taller 6th gear. For SS, I think bike engine will be relaxed with taller gearing. And anyway I haven't fixed on SS. I'll do a Goa run which will be a test bed for me to check my capacity for SS. So sprocket change, HID+projector, Gel seat are on my list. I'm fixed on importing HID+projector in december.
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It's not that straightforward. Lets not forget, with overgearing torque is little sacrificed. So you need to rip accelerator a little more. So keeping overgeared bike at 3.5k RPM would take a little more fuel than keeping undergeared bike at same RPM. Yes, fuel average will increase but not like 5 kmpl for 5 kph increase.
Thanks for the calculations. Since both are (180&220) having the same wheelbase, chain sprocket set will be a direct fit. 180 with 36 teeth need to cut some links. But 220 needs to add some
On Monday i am going to exchange my chain with my friend with 220 and who needs acceleration. I will soon update on this
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Re: Bajaj Pulsar 180 (All Versions)
Looks you are mechanical. Me too bro.Originally posted by lockhrt999 View PostThank you professor.
I don't think P220 rear sprocket can be bought separately?.
I think P180 is undergeared. Countless times I have tried to upshift from 5th gear. On my highway runs I really miss taller 6th gear. For SS, I think bike engine will be relaxed with taller gearing. And anyway I haven't fixed on SS. I'll do a Goa run which will be a test bed for me to check my capacity for SS. So sprocket change, HID+projector, Gel seat are on my list. I'm fixed on importing HID+projector in december.
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It's not that straightforward. Lets not forget, with overgearing torque is little sacrificed. So you need to rip accelerator a little more. So keeping overgeared bike at 3.5k RPM would take a little more fuel than keeping undergeared bike at same RPM. Yes, fuel average will increase but not like 5 kmpl for 5 kph increase.
Thanks for the calculations. Since both are (180&220) having the same wheelbase, chain sprocket set will be a direct fit. 180 with 36 teeth need to cut some links. But 220 needs to add some
On Monday i am going to exchange my chain with my friend with 220 and who needs acceleration. I will soon update on this.
For our quality of petrol, it burns efficiently at 3000-4000 RPM. Its true that it is dependent on various factors. The petrol with less octane number needs a lesser compression ratio which a bajaj pulsar or honda satisfies. KTM and KAWA tend to knock at lower speeds because of high compression ratio. For gods sake let the BS5 stage petrol come soon.
And i say yes for what you told i nees a bit more throttle to maintain 4000RPM. But thats all trial and error method. I felt loss of power in mid range with 39 teeth. But at top end 180 lacks power and gains speed after some lag. Now with 36 teeth i am much more satisfied. Initially i had felt lack of power in the second gear, now i am used to it.
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