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**SparKot** · 08-23-2014, 09:22 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by Mandar64 View Post

Hello Guys,I m going to Buy A Gearless Scooter,my choices are Honda Dio or Honda Activa.Just wanted to know which could be Best For my commute use,i have to carry luggage of 30kg maximum,so want a gearless scooter according to that,Both Dio and Activa are Good but which would suit for my Daily commute,Also the Maintenance Cost of Both would be good.Need your suggestion guys!!

For better responses open a thread in What Bike? section.

**s1d** · 08-23-2014, 09:37 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by Mandar64 View Post

Hello Guys,I m going to Buy A Gearless Scooter,my choices are Honda Dio or Honda Activa.Just wanted to know which could be Best For my commute use,i have to carry luggage of 30kg maximum,so want a gearless scooter according to that,Both Dio and Activa are Good but which would suit for my Daily commute,Also the Maintenance Cost of Both would be good.Need your suggestion guys!!

Close your eyes and pick up the Activa (110 or 125cc depending on your preference/budget).. stay away from the dio due to its fiber body panels.
btw.. i had something bad happen a cpl of days ago... two drunkards were having a brawl at 6am in the morning and pushing each other and fell on my Dio.. Damaged the side panel

**Mandar64** · 08-23-2014, 09:48 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Thanks Guys For Ur Reply!!! I will get an Activa,didnt wanted to go for TVS or other brands!!!Honda Scooters are the Best!!!

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**satishv** · 08-25-2014, 02:36 AM

Re: Gear Oil Change; Hero Pleasure, Honda Activa, Honda Dio

I have an activa and i asked JSP honda folks to change the gear oil. I think they used 90 grade oil (I am not very sure of the grade they used, but i remember him saying they dont sell this oil outside as they get it in 100 litre can and use it only for in house vehicle servicing). He charged me some 60 rs/- for 150 ml on bill. Ever since the oil change, i noticed poor pick up especially when accelerating from 0 till 25 km/hr. After that, its fine.

My doubt is, could this gear oil change made the difference? Can i continue using it till next servicing or immediately replace with 20W40?

Thanks,
Satish

**Saurabh213** · 08-30-2014, 02:19 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

My Scooty is about to complete 30k kilometer so i was planning to bring it back to it's original condition
few things i planned

replace spark plug
new self start motor(current one is not working)
engine and gearbox flush
semi synthetic oil for engine and synthetic for gearbox(Please suggest which oil to use )
new brake pads
new accelerator wire
carburetor cleaning
clutch inspection

please add anything if i am missing or correct me

problems:
Huge Vibration
Loud Engine Noise
No smoothness at all
Engine Power loss
Lazy Pickup
Low Mileage

Originally posted by SparKot View Post

Please Help Me With The Above Sir..

**shek15** · 08-30-2014, 03:23 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Hi guys,
Anyone know how many turns must be made in the carb for ideal mixture? I tried tuning for optimal AFR, but i find it very hard without a tachometer and had drop the procedure. Any better idea to tune it?

P.s- Can anyone help me out with the model number of spark plugs in 2010 Dio. And is it possible to buy the screws and bolts set from ASC , as I have lost 3 screws from the front panel and 2 bolts under the seat are also mising

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**SparKot** · 08-30-2014, 03:26 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by Saurabh213 View Post

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Originally Posted by SparKot

Please Help Me With The Above Sir..

Sorry buddy, apparently you've mistaken me for someone else. I'm no expert in these matters, a fellow member just reciprocating.

**shek15** · 08-30-2014, 03:31 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by Saurabh213 View Post

problems:
Huge Vibration
Loud Engine Noise
No smoothness at all
Engine Power loss
Lazy Pickup
Low Mileage

Please Help Me With The Above Sir..

Firstly, good luck with your rebuild.

And almost all the problems you have mentioned above are usually caused by wrong AFR. If you haven't tried tuning your carb, do give it a try.

**Saurabh213** · 08-30-2014, 03:55 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post

please help me sir^^.

**s1d** · 08-30-2014, 04:43 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by Saurabh213 View Post

My Scooty is about to complete 30k kilometer so i was planning to bring it back to it's original condition
few things i planned

Please Help Me With The Above Sir..

replace spark plug -- ok do it, use original recommended plug
new self start motor(current one is not working) -- are you sure the motor itself is gone? mostly it is the carbon brushes (10-20rs replacement) or maybe the starter relay. Get it checked and a good mechanic/auto electrician would be able to fix it.
engine and gearbox flush - If you have been doing regular oil changes, engine oil flush not required..otherwise just drain current oil.. pour 250ml diesel+50ml oil and run engine for 30 seconds ONLY on IDLE -- DO NOT POUR PETROL,use only DIESEL... drain this and refill with engine oil.
semi synthetic oil for engine and synthetic for gearbox -- not necessary, just use regular engine oil like castrol gearless scooter oil for the engine oil and have the gearbox opened and cleaned (simple job) and use a EP90 gear oil for refill
Change air filter and have the carburetor dismantled and cleaned up
new brake pads -- ok, if needed
new accelerator wire - ok, if needed.

please add anything if i am missing or correct me
What is more important to bring the scooter back to good health is, have the drive belt, clutch shoes & springs and variator rollers inspected. If they have not been replaced in these 30000 km, then it is time you replaced these -- might be a little expensive (not sure of prices for scooty.. for activa the drive belt costs like 600rs, clutch shoe set around 700 and variator rollers around 300rs.)
the scooty is vibrating alot
Do all the above checks and also have the engine mounts checked, replaced if the mounts are cracked .. if not just tighten them up correctly
the noise is also very high
no smoothness at all
Do all the above, and you should see a change.

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Originally posted by shek15 View Post

P.s- Can anyone help me out with the model number of spark plugs in 2010 Dio. And is it possible to buy the screws and bolts set from ASC , as I have lost 3 screws from the front panel and 2 bolts under the seat are also mising

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Check your manual, it will be mentioned. I own a 2007 dio and I am not sure if the 2010 (the one with the viscous air filter) uses same plug.. I think it does.
Check out the pics stock plug (p-rz9hc) and the compatible regular ngk plug (cr6hsa): - i have been using the stock plug from day 1, replacing them every 10-12k km.. no issues so far. just acquired the ngk's thanks to sibun, and will use them at next replacement.

Its a pain to deal with these asc's.. some sell spares over the counter some dont.. cranky people i tell you. You can easily buy these nuts and bolts at a local spares shop. The nuts under the seat are 12 mm nuts and for the front panel buy those black screws and also pick up some clamps (they are tiny aluminum thingy's that slide on to the panels/mountings and helps secure them better)

**shek15** · 08-30-2014, 05:42 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by s1d View Post

Check your manual, it will be mentioned. I own a 2007 dio and I am not sure if the 2010 (the one with the viscous air filter) uses same plug.. I think it does.
Check out the pics stock plug (p-rz9hc) and the compatible regular ngk plug (cr6hsa): - i have been using the stock plug from day 1, replacing them every 10-12k km.. no issues so far. just acquired the ngk's thanks to sibun, and will use them at next replacement.

Its a pain to deal with these asc's.. some sell spares over the counter some dont.. cranky people i tell you. You can easily buy these nuts and bolts at a local spares shop. The nuts under the seat are 12 mm nuts and for the front panel buy those black screws and also pick up some clamps (they are tiny aluminum thingy's that slide on to the panels/mountings and helps secure them better)

Thanks for the time. The spark plugs should probably be the same, Ill cross check it once more

. Btw Is it worth replacing regular one with an iridium one?

P.s-And any idea about the carb query?

**Saurabh213** · 08-30-2014, 06:37 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by s1d View Post

replace spark plug -- ok do it, use original recommended plug
new self start motor(current one is not working) -- are you sure the motor itself is gone? mostly it is the carbon brushes (10-20rs replacement) or maybe the starter relay. Get it checked and a good mechanic/auto electrician would be able to fix it.
engine and gearbox flush - If you have been doing regular oil changes, engine oil flush not required..otherwise just drain current oil.. pour 250ml diesel+50ml oil and run engine for 30 seconds ONLY on IDLE -- DO NOT POUR PETROL,use only DIESEL... drain this and refill with engine oil.
semi synthetic oil for engine and synthetic for gearbox -- not necessary, just use regular engine oil like castrol gearless scooter oil for the engine oil and have the gearbox opened and cleaned (simple job) and use a EP90 gear oil for refill
Change air filter and have the carburetor dismantled and cleaned up
new brake pads -- ok, if needed
new accelerator wire - ok, if needed.

please add anything if i am missing or correct me
What is more important to bring the scooter back to good health is, have the drive belt, clutch shoes & springs and variator rollers inspected. If they have not been replaced in these 30000 km, then it is time you replaced these -- might be a little expensive (not sure of prices for scooty.. for activa the drive belt costs like 600rs, clutch shoe set around 700 and variator rollers around 300rs.)
the scooty is vibrating alot
Do all the above checks and also have the engine mounts checked, replaced if the mounts are cracked .. if not just tighten them up correctly
the noise is also very high
no smoothness at all
Do all the above, and you should see a change.

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Check your manual, it will be mentioned. I own a 2007 dio and I am not sure if the 2010 (the one with the viscous air filter) uses same plug.. I think it does.
Check out the pics stock plug (p-rz9hc) and the compatible regular ngk plug (cr6hsa): - i have been using the stock plug from day 1, replacing them every 10-12k km.. no issues so far. just acquired the ngk's thanks to sibun, and will use them at next replacement.
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Its a pain to deal with these asc's.. some sell spares over the counter some dont.. cranky people i tell you. You can easily buy these nuts and bolts at a local spares shop. The nuts under the seat are 12 mm nuts and for the front panel buy those black screws and also pick up some clamps (they are tiny aluminum thingy's that slide on to the panels/mountings and helps secure them better)

The Starter Relay Was Faulty Too Got It Replaced And Changed The Carbon Brushes Twice(They Gave Up In 2-3 Weeks..)
And Is Using Diesel As Engine Flush Safe ?
What If In Any Case The Piston Rings Are Faulty The Diesel Will Find It's Way To The Combustion Chamber..!
In My Case The Engine Flush Is Mandatory Though I Change Oil Regularly,The Last Time I Filled Fresh Oil I Noticed That The Oil Went Dark Black In Less Than 100 Kms

**Saurabh213** · 08-30-2014, 11:50 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Found A Bunch Of New Problems Today

As It Rained Today Here In Noida
The Temperature Was On The Lower Side
First I Tried To Kick Start The Scooty
First 2-3 Kicks Were Of No Use
After 2-3 Kicks I Heard An Unusual Noise( To Describe It Was Of Like An Vacuum Being Created )
After Starting The Engine I Let It Run On Idle To Warm Up
Idling Was Normal But As Soon As I Turned The Throttle The Engine Would
Turn Off..Happened 2-3 Times
Finally I Managed To Let The Scooty Moving
And Man,The Acceleration Was Super Sluggish
The Scooty Was Refusing To Pickup Some Speed
Even When I Kept The Throttle At 40-45% The Scooty Was
Deaccelerating itself!
Engine Power Felt Like There Was No Air In The Tires(Checked, They Were Fine)

I Wish I Could Sell Off This Scooty..

**s1d** · 08-31-2014, 12:27 AM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Originally posted by Saurabh213 View Post

The Starter Relay Was Faulty Too Got It Replaced And Changed The Carbon Brushes Twice(They Gave Up In 2-3 Weeks..)
If you are 100% sure, then replace the starter motor.. unless some auto electrician is willing to fix this one up for you
And Is Using Diesel As Engine Flush Safe ?
Yes, but do it as i said... do not ride or rev the engine.. let it just idle for 30 seconds. Like i said not necessary if you have been changing oil regularly.
What If In Any Case The Piston Rings Are Faulty The Diesel Will Find It's Way To The Combustion Chamber..!
Well then, dont blame the diesel.. you need to get the underlying problem fixed. Have the compression checked and valve clearances adjusted.
In My Case The Engine Flush Is Mandatory Though I Change Oil Regularly,The Last Time I Filled Fresh Oil I Noticed That The Oil Went Dark Black In Less Than 100 Kms
Is there blusish smoke in the exhaust ? If so, its oil burning... could be due to valve seals gone bad or piston rings kaput ,and worse case needs a rebore/bore kit replacement.

Replies in bold...

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Originally posted by Saurabh213 View Post

Found A Bunch Of New Problems Today

As It Rained Today Here In Noida
The Temperature Was On The Lower Side
First I Tried To Kick Start The Scooty
First 2-3 Kicks Were Of No Use
After 2-3 Kicks I Heard An Unusual Noise( To Describe It Was Of Like An Vacuum Being Created )
After Starting The Engine I Let It Run On Idle To Warm Up
Idling Was Normal But As Soon As I Turned The Throttle The Engine Would
Turn Off..Happened 2-3 Times
Finally I Managed To Let The Scooty Moving
And Man,The Acceleration Was Super Sluggish
The Scooty Was Refusing To Pickup Some Speed
Even When I Kept The Throttle At 40-45% The Scooty Was
Deaccelerating itself!
Engine Power Felt Like There Was No Air In The Tires(Checked, They Were Fine)

I Wish I Could Sell Off This Scooty..

Please go over my first reply to your query... do all those checks, especially the clutch part.

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Originally posted by shek15 View Post

Thanks for the time. The spark plugs should probably be the same, Ill cross check it once more

. Btw Is it worth replacing regular one with an iridium one?

P.s-And any idea about the carb query?

I really do not think it is worth economically to go for the iridium plug. Unless you want to experiment of course..like me. Its difficult to get hold of an iridium one though..damn i couldn't even get the platinum one. Had to settle for the normal ngk.

Why do you want to fiddle with the carb ? Take it to a ASC and ask them to set it up correctly, and do not mess with it.

**Saurabh213** · 08-31-2014, 12:58 PM

Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

Final List Of Spares That Needs Replacement(I Dont Know There Estimate Costs Can Any Please Tell Me..) :
Spark Plug
Air Filter
Self Start Motor
Brake Pads
Accelerator Wire
Drive Belt 600/- (Thanks To s1d)
Clutch Shoe 700/- (Thanks To s1d)
Variator Roller 300/- (Thanks To s1d)

I Am Afraid That If I'll Ask The ASC To Change These Parts They Will Only Change Brake Pads And Engine Oil And Add Them All To The Bill..
So I Wish To Get Them From The ASC And Get Them Changed By A Mechanic In Front Of My Eyes.

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