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**Sird** · 09-16-2013, 10:18 AM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by neer350 View Post

Hello Bikers....need your help to find MOTUL 5100 in north delhi (Azadpur,Kashmere gate area).
I want to change to MOTUL 5100 for my Fazer but not able to find it.Tried all shops near my home.

Thanks in advance....

You might get a Fake one also from the small local shops.
Better head forward to Karol Bagh and get it from there or get it poured in Bike right there.

And yea buy from a good reliable store and you might get 30-40rs off on MRP also.

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**vimal_hbk** · 09-16-2013, 10:56 AM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by nadz11.ns View Post

Ya, will do so.. Acually there isn't any good mech that i know.. I do minor stuff myself or take it to svc.
any idea how to make the afr to the richer side ??

i recommended oil grade is 20w40.. While i changed to 15w50 last month.. I reverted back to 20w40 2 days back..

dude yamalube is known to cause engine heating so i guess u may b running lean combined with it........so the large amount of heat.....(its an assumption...)....i used to used yamalube SS and i used to get a hot wave on my leg (while wearing a jeans too) from the engine side while riding.....it will b better if u use MOTUL.....try online booking from some sites if not available in your area......meanwhile check for default AFR.......

there is this tuning screw in the carb......rotate it clockwise ...tighten it.....this will make the mixture leanest possible.....then unscrew it to 3 complete turns.....some people use 2.5 turns...but i personally use 3 complete turns.......but do let us know what happens later....

**nadz11.ns** · 09-16-2013, 01:33 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by vimal_hbk View Post

dude yamalube is known to cause engine heating so i guess u may b running lean combined with it........so the large amount of heat.....(its an assumption...)....i used to used yamalube SS and i used to get a hot wave on my leg (while wearing a jeans too) from the engine side while riding.....it will b better if u use MOTUL.....try online booking from some sites if not available in your area......meanwhile check for default AFR.......

there is this tuning screw in the carb......rotate it clockwise ...tighten it.....this will make the mixture leanest possible.....then unscrew it to 3 complete turns.....some people use 2.5 turns...but i personally use 3 complete turns.......but do let us know what happens later....

Thanks for the info mate.. Will try to screw and see if there is any improvement..

**Mizt** · 09-16-2013, 08:01 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Hi Guys,

I was out of town for couple of months and the bike was resting for while unattended. I came back 2 weeks ago and the bike was in not in good shape. The bike was coughing up like hell and stalling when I run close to the tank . So I gave the bike for service last saturday and did regular service and asked the mechanics to check this issue. They replaced the air filter and said the issue was resolved. Today morning the problem started again, what could be wrong . I have run close to reserve lot times and this never happens at times the bike just turns off and refuses to start. Tell what can I do resolve this problem. The bike is almost 2.5 yrs old and 25k on the ODO. Last service done on 24,697KM along with Air filter change.

**devils_friend** · 09-16-2013, 09:18 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by Mizt View Post

Hi Guys,

I was out of town for couple of months and the bike was resting for while unattended. I came back 2 weeks ago and the bike was in not in good shape. The bike was coughing up like hell and stalling when I run close to the tank . So I gave the bike for service last saturday and did regular service and asked the mechanics to check this issue. They replaced the air filter and said the issue was resolved. Today morning the problem started again, what could be wrong . I have run close to reserve lot times and this never happens at times the bike just turns off and refuses to start. Tell what can I do resolve this problem. The bike is almost 2.5 yrs old and 25k on the ODO. Last service done on 24,697KM along with Air filter change.

Looks like the battery has gone kaput. When you were out of town, did you disconnect the battery terminals? Also, since the bike was unused for a long time, it is a good thing if you change the oil ASAP. Charge up the battery, do the necessary maintenance of battery and things should be fine. But, never run your bike in reserve, not a good practice.

Cheerz!!

**chaosaddict** · 09-17-2013, 11:32 AM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

[MENTION=39369]Mizt[/MENTION] - Bro, recently I had a similar issue when my bike was kept in rain (downpour) for two days - this shouldn't be a case at all, many bikes are kept in rain but certain circumstances!!

Possibilities -
Check the battery - if you can start the bike by running, holding the clutch and in gear then the battery needs to be replaced (I read a 25K ODO, high time if not done)
Check spark plug - a faulty one will have slug deposits and will be discolored.
Coils (which was my cause) - If your bike just doesn't start no matter what, check for the spark plug. Remove the plug top & cable and press self - look for the spark between the plug and cable. If that is not there then my friend, you're in for some expensive $h!t

change coils!!! Viola!

**Mizt** · 09-17-2013, 03:16 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by chaosaddict View Post

@Mizt - Bro, recently I had a similar issue when my bike was kept in rain (downpour) for two days - this shouldn't be a case at all, many bikes are kept in rain but certain circumstances!!

Possibilities -
Check the battery - if you can start the bike by running, holding the clutch and in gear then the battery needs to be replaced (I read a 25K ODO, high time if not done)
Check spark plug - a faulty one will have slug deposits and will be discolored.
Coils (which was my cause) - If your bike just doesn't start no matter what, check for the spark plug. Remove the plug top & cable and press self - look for the spark between the plug and cable. If that is not there then my friend, you're in for some expensive $h!t

change coils!!! Viola!

Originally posted by devils_friend View Post

Looks like the battery has gone kaput. When you were out of town, did you disconnect the battery terminals? Also, since the bike was unused for a long time, it is a good thing if you change the oil ASAP. Charge up the battery, do the necessary maintenance of battery and things should be fine. But, never run your bike in reserve, not a good practice.

Cheerz!!

I had serviced the bike last weekend and done the battery maintenance as well, the bike starts without issues , the stalling happens only when riding the bike. The bike seems to stall even when I have around 3-4 litres in the tank. Is it possible the fuel lines are clogged? I asked the SVC to clean the tank and fuel lines and they said it isnt necessary for a bike with 25k on the odo. I am thinking of using System g with tank fill and check if the problem is solved. Is it possible to SystemG fuel additive in Shell bunks?

**devils_friend** · 09-17-2013, 03:26 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by Mizt View Post

I had serviced the bike last weekend and done the battery maintenance as well, the bike starts without issues , the stalling happens only when riding the bike. The bike seems to stall even when I have around 3-4 litres in the tank. Is it possible the fuel lines are clogged? I asked the SVC to clean the tank and fuel lines and they said it isnt necessary for a bike with 25k on the odo. I am thinking of using System g with tank fill and check if the problem is solved. Is it possible to SystemG fuel additive in Shell bunks?

Get the choke cable checked. Looks like the choke has given up. Also, was the battery fully charged before putting it in use?

Cheerz!!

**nadz11.ns** · 09-17-2013, 03:45 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by Mizt View Post

I had serviced the bike last weekend and done the battery maintenance as well, the bike starts without issues , the stalling happens only when riding the bike. The bike seems to stall even when I have around 3-4 litres in the tank. Is it possible the fuel lines are clogged? I asked the SVC to clean the tank and fuel lines and they said it isnt necessary for a bike with 25k on the odo. I am thinking of using System g with tank fill and check if the problem is solved. Is it possible to SystemG fuel additive in Shell bunks?

if the problem happens only at the time of riding.. then maybe the carb has some type of blockage in the valves/jets.. if the battery had problem, then it would be difficult to start the bike in the first place.. the prob lies in the fueling system..
also get the things checked which other members have mentioned..

**Pop-Up Blocker** · 09-17-2013, 05:02 PM

Yamaha rip-off antics and incompetence to handle customers

Please bear with my rant but this is coming out after 3 years of frustration.

Now, a lot of people would be a Yamaha fan and pretty happy with the ownership. However, learn from my mistake. I have owned bikes like Karizma, Pulsar, Splendor, CBZ, RX100 and Passion.

I own a Yamaha Fz-S, bought in 2010. I have owned this bike to close to 3 years now and listing below the failures of the bike.

Probably, all the buyers may add this to their maintenance costs.

Within 3 years (32000 KMS) I had to replace the following parts.
1. Disc pads (3 times)
2. Rear break shows (N number of times)
3. Chain+Sprocket.
4. Air Filter.
5. Footrest (Bike fell from the stand and footrest broke - poor quality).
6. Battery.
7. Clutch Plate.
8. Headlight dome (Poor quality hinges, broke while mechanic was tightening it)
9. Rear+Front Tyre.
10. Handle bar (bends even at the slightest touch of ground).

These are the parts which I can remember as of now.
Some parts still are faulty and need replacement, I am planning not to after being fed-up.

Please make a note, within the 3 years, I have never met with an accident or even the slightest crash **touch wood**. The items which have been replaces are purely based on ware-n-tear.

Apart from the regular replacement ceremony, it is a task to get the bike serviced. Either the service centers dont take the bike because of heavy load, or if they take the bike, they do not really "Service" your bike.
I have faced issues where the Engine oil was not refilled after getting my bike from service, over-charge, rip-off, attitude from mechanics etc..

Speaking of over-charge and rip-off, will write about my previous experience.

In the month of August, I got my bike services when the mechanic told me the chain and sprocket needs replacement. I asked him to replace it, but they did not have it in stock (the usual answer when they dont want to do something), so he asked me to get it done after a month.
After a month, I took the bike back to Orion motors and they were ready to replace. I told him this is not for service, only repair.
While taking the bike, the service supervisor told me it would take 1500/- to replace the parts, I was fine with it.
- He checked the engine oil and it was almost dry. Surprising, after a month of service, engine oil is almost dry.
- No Problem, I asked him to refill the oil - Synthetic oil - 900/-
- My front tyre was not running free so I asked him to check that as well.
- I asked him to get the rear break shoe replaced as it was due.

Since this was a minor repair and I had already taken an appointment a day before, the service supervisor said it would take 2 hours to get the job done. I sat at the customer lounge to take my bike after the work was done.
I was there in the service center at 9:30am and most of the mechanics arrived after 11:00am, so obviously, the work started after waiting for 2 hours and me showing a little disappointment.
After 4 hours I get my bike with a bill of 4000/-.
I could see my bike getting repaired and they charged me for servicing, labor and what not. I was very frustrated seeing the bill but on the other hand, wanted my bike to be troublefree and did not want to see the service center people faces anymore. I moved out.
Later I noticed that the front wheel was still not free + the meter light stopped working after getting the bike from the service center.

I called to lodged a complaint with Yamaha India to which they said a complaint will be lodged and they will let me know.
After 2 days I started facing issues in my bike again, so I called Yes.Yamaha to know the status of my complaint, and surprised to know that no such complaint existed.
After a lot of argument, a complaint was lodged.
I got a call form the Orion Motors and "Sethuraam" the Store manager called me to the service center and promised he will address the issues. After reaching the service center, the whole story changed. The manager started thrash talking asking me why did I raise a complaint with Yamaha.

I asked him that the bike was not serviced, howcome you charge me 425/- for service?
He asked a mechanic to take the bike inside and check if it was serviced or not, without allowing me to see. Now what kind of inspection is this? However, I peeped and saw that they are busy cleaning the spark plug and after a couple of minutes bring the spark plug to me and show that it is clean, so service is done.
I was like this is cheating from most trusted people. I did not want to get down to their level of argument so not wasting my time, I left the service center. Sethuram asked me to sign somewhere agreeing that my issue was resolved, but I denied. I told him I will talk to Yes.Yamaha about this and get it resolved as Orion motors had worst people than that in Gujri.

Irony is, after returning I called Yes.Yamaha and explained them the issue, they closed the case and disconnected my call. I am unable to call them anymore, just got a confirmation through email that my issue is resolved so complaint has been closed.

**petrolhead_chn** · 09-18-2013, 09:40 AM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

I need confirmation from fellow FZ-s owners!
One of my friend has completed 3 services so far on his new FZ-s. I happened to borrow his bike for a while. Somehow I felt that the gear shift is a bit stiff. Though it need not be butter smooth, it certainly does not feel comfy. I had to give that extra on my toe to engage the lever to next gear. The downshifting also happens the same way. I can attribute many reasons from clutch cable to engine oil. But he firmly says he has been serving the bike only at Yamaha showroom.

My questions are-
1. Is the gear shift hard on FZ-s? Do you hear that hard 'click' or 'tak' kinda feel on the toe while shifting gears?
2. Can we change to other engine oils like shell, motul, gulf, etc., in this period? Shell 20w 50 apt?

All responses appreciated

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**krish2778** · 09-18-2013, 09:47 AM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by petrolhead_chn View Post

I need confirmation from fellow FZ-s owners!
One of my friend has completed 3 services so far on his new FZ-s. I happened to borrow his bike for a while. Somehow I felt that the gear shift is a bit stiff. Though it need not be butter smooth, it certainly does not feel comfy. I had to give that extra on my toe to engage the lever to next gear. The downshifting also happens the same way. I can attribute many reasons from clutch cable to engine oil. But he firmly says he has been serving the bike only at Yamaha showroom.

My questions are-
1. Is the gear shift hard on FZ-s? Do you hear that hard 'click' or 'tak' kinda feel on the toe while shifting gears?
2. Can we change to other engine oils like shell, motul, gulf, etc., in this period? Shell 20w 50 apt?

All responses appreciated

!

Could be engine oil. When was the last change and how would you say the riding habit of the owner to be ? Depending on that the wear and tear on the oil can be assumed, not to mention the brand of oil used :-P
Also just have a look if the shifting mechanism is working all right, in some cases removing and refitting the toe shifter usually works fine

Cheers
Ride Safe
Krishna

**petrolhead_chn** · 09-18-2013, 10:00 AM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by krish2778 View Post

Could be engine oil. When was the last change and how would you say the riding habit of the owner to be ? Depending on that the wear and tear on the oil can be assumed, not to mention the brand of oil used :-P
Also just have a look if the shifting mechanism is working all right, in some cases removing and refitting the toe shifter usually works fine

Cheers
Ride Safe
Krishna

Thank you Krishna. I'd attributed this already and have recommended oil change from Yamalube.
But I would like to hear the real verdict of gear shift sternness on FZ-s. Is it stiff or is it smooth as well?

I will recommend the refitting of toe shifter for now.

**krish2778** · 09-18-2013, 10:31 AM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by petrolhead_chn View Post

Thank you Krishna. I'd attributed this already and have recommended oil change from Yamalube.
But I would like to hear the real verdict of gear shift sternness on FZ-s. Is it stiff or is it smooth as well?

I will recommend the refitting of toe shifter for now.

Well, my experience with the FZ(FZ-s is nothing but different paint scheme and extra visor) is that the gear shifts are a peice of cake after the first service/run-in and that extra tapping or clunkiness have not been experienced in my case.

Cheers
ride Safe
Krishna

**petrolhead_chn** · 09-18-2013, 10:58 AM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by krish2778 View Post

that extra tapping or clunkiness have not been experienced in my case.

Thank you again. That helps! Now I know his bike is certainly wrong on that functionality.

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