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If you are going in for an exhaust upgrade purely for the sound, nothing beats the IXIL, the Leo Vince and Remus are too loud for my liking, the GPR without the baffle will make your ears bleed. As far as I know Akra and Arrow systems are not sold for KTM in India.Originally posted by Silencer View PostWith so many people complaining about the exhaust note of Duke mellowing down over time.. Am Just wondering when would be the ideal time for changing to custom exhaust? I personally liked the sound of
1. Remus roxx
2. Leovince cobra
3. Apkrapovic
In that order.. They sound like choppers hanging in air with that sound..
What are your thoughts?
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Originally posted by Silencer View PostNo one I know replaced.. But GPR deeptone seems pretty reasonable price.. Here's the link that I came across for all the exhaust options..
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A lot of folks from Hyderabad have changed their exhaust and did not void their warranty. So, if you plan to change your end can, go ahead
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Replacing the exhaust does not void the warranty, however fiddling with the electrical harness does :POriginally posted by Arvind95 View PostSeems like replacing the exhaust will void warranty... Make sure you upgrade it after the 30k km warranty gets over or consult the SVC before replacing it.
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My thoughts specifically with regards to upgrading the end can, is that the investment is not worth the gains, you gain less that .3 bhp an aftermarket exhaust in a bike like ours, in fact some have reported a loss of power with the GPR Deeptone and Leo Vince Cobra, these btw are actually tested on the dyno. So if you plan to get your exhaust upgraded, you most probably will need to upgrade your airfilter and have your ECU on a custom map before you see any gains of any sort.Originally posted by Silencer View PostWith so many people complaining about the exhaust note of Duke mellowing down over time.. Am Just wondering when would be the ideal time for changing to custom exhaust? I personally liked the sound of
1. Remus roxx
2. Leovince cobra
3. Apkrapovic
In that order.. They sound like choppers hanging in air with that sound..
What are your thoughts?
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But then again to each his own, if you are looking at it purely as a cosmetic upgrade, go for it, it all depends on your tastes, I don't like exhausts that are too loud and when you do upgrade, be responsible and keep the baffle in or you will end up with some very very angry neighbors
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Originally posted by Pizzaboi View PostIf you are going in for an exhaust upgrade purely for the sound, nothing beats the IXIL, the Leo Vince and Remus are too loud for my liking, the GPR without the baffle will make your ears bleed. As far as I know Akra and Arrow systems are not sold for KTM in India.
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A lot of folks from Hyderabad have changed their exhaust and did not void their warranty. So, if you plan to change your end can, go ahead
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Replacing the exhaust does not void the warranty, however fiddling with the electrical harness does :P
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My thoughts specifically with regards to upgrading the end can, is that the investment is not worth the gains, you gain less that .3 bhp an aftermarket exhaust in a bike like ours, in fact some have reported a loss of power with the GPR Deeptone and Leo Vince Cobra, these btw are actually tested on the dyno. So if you plan to get your exhaust upgraded, you most probably will need to upgrade your airfilter and have your ECU on a custom map before you see any gains of any sort.
But then again to each his own, if you are looking at it purely as a cosmetic upgrade, go for it, it all depends on your tastes, I don't like exhausts that are too loud and when you do upgrade, be responsible and keep the baffle in or you will end up with some very very angry neighbors
The problem with all the exhausts available here is that they are all just end cans, so basically just audio improvement, no performance gains.... And like someone mentioned, need a ECU remap to take advantage of it....
Race Concepts in Banglore though have manufactured a complete Free Flow System, which, opposed to the rest, offers real
Performance gains... Of course, it's still an exhaust so gains are minimum, but if you do want one, try out the race concepts one... Their free flow exhausts for the cbr and pulsar work brilliantly, and they cost under ₹10,000 which makes them a very worthwhile purchase... But yea, an ECU and air filter upgrade would be needed
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No offense but Joel's stuff while brilliant for the track has zero real world reliability. Enough of us have bought his FFE and big bore kits and have ended up with a hole in our pockets, the supposed plug and play systems are never plug and play and you will end up wasting weeks if not months trying to get the fueling right.Originally posted by aadilnaik View PostThe problem with all the exhausts available here is that they are all just end cans, so basically just audio improvement, no performance gains.... And like someone mentioned, need a ECU remap to take advantage of it....
Race Concepts in Banglore though have manufactured a complete Free Flow System, which, opposed to the rest, offers real
Performance gains... Of course, it's still an exhaust so gains are minimum, but if you do want one, try out the race concepts one... Their free flow exhausts for the cbr and pulsar work brilliantly, and they cost under ₹10,000 which makes them a very worthwhile purchase... But yea, an ECU and air filter upgrade would be needed
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His FFE caused burnt valves on my friends CBR and more recently the big kit for the 220 was so bad that the engine rattled it self to bits, only multiple calls peppered with verbal abuse got us a replacement which was just as bad
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Originally posted by Pizzaboi View PostNo offense but Joel's stuff while brilliant for the track has zero real world reliability. Enough of us have bought his FFE and big bore kits and have ended up with a hole in our pockets, the supposed plug and play systems are never plug and play and you will end up wasting weeks if not months trying to get the fueling right.
His FFE caused burnt valves on my friends CBR and more recently the big kit for the 220 was so bad that the engine rattled it self to bits, only multiple calls peppered with verbal abuse got us a replacement which was just as bad
Ah I see... I wasn't aware of that...
See? This is why I love xBhp! Reliable info on literally everything! Thanks [MENTION=55656]Pizzaboi[/MENTION] ...
So I guess if you just want an aural improvement, an airfilter is step one without burning too big a hole eh?
And any one got a comparo between the K&N and the BMC one?
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Anytime mate...Originally posted by aadilnaik View PostAh I see... I wasn't aware of that...
See? This is why I love xBhp! Reliable info on literally everything! Thanks @Pizzaboi ...
So I guess if you just want an aural improvement, an airfilter is step one without burning too big a hole eh?
And any one got a comparo between the K&N and the BMC one?
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There isn't much difference but from what I understand the BMC is a dry filter while the K&N I use is a wet filter. I always wondered how dry filters worked since there is no suspension to catch the dirt. There is an audible intake sound from both the BMC and K&N. I keep heading to the factory so I end up riding in extremely dusty roads, I cleaned and reoiled my K&N when I hit 6k kms with it and came up almost zero grit. I have decided to clean it next when I cross another 10k kms.
On the stock map, with the stock exhaust, I do not have any bump in power but I have had a definite bump in FE, check my previous posts where I posted the values of the emissions tests before and after the use of the K&N.
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Tried reading up a bit on the diff between wet and dry filters... They say a dry filter works on the concept of keeping a tight mesh of paper/cotton that technically filters out dust better than wet oiled filters... But since this is done via smaller holes, it also lets in less air compared to wet ones....Originally posted by Pizzaboi View PostAnytime mate...
There isn't much difference but from what I understand the BMC is a dry filter while the K&N I use is a wet filter. I always wondered how dry filters worked since there is no suspension to catch the dirt. There is an audible intake sound from both the BMC and K&N. I keep heading to the factory so I end up riding in extremely dusty roads, I cleaned and reoiled my K&N when I hit 6k kms with it and came up almost zero grit. I have decided to clean it next when I cross another 10k kms.
On the stock map, with the stock exhaust, I do not have any bump in power but I have had a definite bump in FE, check my previous posts where I posted the values of the emissions tests before and after the use of the K&N.
Wet oiled filters use the oil as a sticky trap to filter dust particles thus they have bigger holes so let more air in... But some people said they let more dust in too, so eventually dust in ur engine may cause issues....
You haven't faced any engine related issues so far have you [MENTION=55656]Pizzaboi[/MENTION] ? Cause I'm considering a air filter and powertronics upgrade soon
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No issues whatsoever but then again I am sort of a stickler when it comes to engine maintenanceOriginally posted by aadilnaik View PostTried reading up a bit on the diff between wet and dry filters... They say a dry filter works on the concept of keeping a tight mesh of paper/cotton that technically filters out dust better than wet oiled filters... But since this is done via smaller holes, it also lets in less air compared to wet ones....
Wet oiled filters use the oil as a sticky trap to filter dust particles thus they have bigger holes so let more air in... But some people said they let more dust in too, so eventually dust in ur engine may cause issues....
You haven't faced any engine related issues so far have you @Pizzaboi ? Cause I'm considering a air filter and powertronics upgrade soon
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I have seen a few 390 and 200 with damaged bores and burnt valves, the SVC personnel told me it was because they were using an aftermarket filter and that whats caused the issue. However I think any upgrade with poor maintenance is going to screw up the bike because you will be reducing the tolerances that a fully stock bike has.
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Most of the negative reviews for the Michelin is for the Michelin sporty, which is a pathetic tire... The new Michelin Pilot Street are a whole diff story... On contacting michelin International, I was told they designed it using most of the tech from the Pilot Road 2, which is a super renowned tire the world over...Originally posted by sanjana kSir as u have changed ur tires to the MICHELIN PILOT STREET RADIAL i would lyk to know how do they perform in rain bcoz according to me the stock mrf tires suck big time n are not at all confidence inspiring during rains n so i wanna change my stock tires asap but i am super confused as i am getting mixed reviews about micheliens n ceats. Most of my riding is on real bad roads n the roads that i ride on are a mixture of water-gravel these days bcoz of rain and the stock tires are of no use there. So i would lyk to knw how would the michelin radial fare thr?
I've been using michelin pilot street for a few months now, and I assure you it is brilliant so far... Go for it...
As for ur riding on gravel, no tire will give you grip on gravel unless it's off-road tires, so I suggest you ride carefully and avoid sudden and hard braking and leaning too much... As for wet grip, I managed to go for 75kmph to zero in about 20-25ft without falling. Something I could never do with my old MRFs, so the Michelin has fared well so far....
A front and rear set would cost you a lil less than ₹10,000, and even though the rear is a 160 as opposed to 170 mrf, it doesn't make a noticeable difference.
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The tire is brilliant for what it is, they perform relatively well in mixed and damp/wet conditions, the only thing I would change about it is the grip on extreme lean angles, the MRF would hook up really well, the Michelin doesn't but I doubt you will be corner carving on a regular basis so you should be alright.Originally posted by sanjana kSir as u have changed ur tires to the MICHELIN PILOT STREET RADIAL i would lyk to know how do they perform in rain bcoz according to me the stock mrf tires suck big time n are not at all confidence inspiring during rains n so i wanna change my stock tires asap but i am super confused as i am getting mixed reviews about micheliens n ceats. Most of my riding is on real bad roads n the roads that i ride on are a mixture of water-gravel these days bcoz of rain and the stock tires are of no use there. So i would lyk to knw how would the michelin radial fare thr?
The set was for a little under 9k when I bought them late last year, the prices have gone up since. If you plan to go in for it, do so with your eyes closed, a worthy upgrade.
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I would not suggest and upsize, you can get the 110 front section but you will not find the 150 rear section, since 150 sections are mainly supermoto tires. I am using a 100/90 upfront and an 140/70 at the back. The taller tire profile does increase the ride height so no more scraping the belly pan on speed bumpsOriginally posted by aadilnaik View PostMost of the negative reviews for the Michelin is for the Michelin sporty, which is a pathetic tire... The new Michelin Pilot Street are a whole diff story... On contacting michelin International, I was told they designed it using most of the tech from the Pilot Road 2, which is a super renowned tire the world over...
I've been using michelin pilot street for a few months now, and I assure you it is brilliant so far... Go for it...
As for ur riding on gravel, no tire will give you grip on gravel unless it's off-road tires, so I suggest you ride carefully and avoid sudden and hard braking and leaning too much... As for wet grip, I managed to go for 75kmph to zero in about 20-25ft without falling. Something I could never do with my old MRFs, so the Michelin has fared well so far....
A front and rear set would cost you a lil less than ₹10,000, and even though the rear is a 160 as opposed to 170 mrf, it doesn't make a noticeable difference.
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. However the increased ride does take a little getting used to. As for gravel, it performed relatively well offroad, not as much slipping and sliding as the stock MRFs.
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My bad, I fudged up the tire size. It's a 140 section as opposed to the 150 MRFs just like you said... And just like you said, the increased height takes a lil getting used to but then it's cool...Originally posted by Pizzaboi View PostThe tire is brilliant for what it is, they perform relatively well in mixed and damp/wet conditions, the only thing I would change about it is the grip on extreme lean angles, the MRF would hook up really well, the Michelin doesn't but I doubt you will be corner carving on a regular basis so you should be alright.
The set was for a little under 9k when I bought them late last year, the prices have gone up since. If you plan to go in for it, do so with your eyes closed, a worthy upgrade.
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I would not suggest and upsize, you can get the 110 front section but you will not find the 150 rear section, since 150 sections are mainly supermoto tires. I am using a 100/90 upfront and an 140/70 at the back. The taller tire profile does increase the ride height so no more scraping the belly pan on speed bumps
. However the increased ride does take a little getting used to. As for gravel, it performed relatively well offroad, not as much slipping and sliding as the stock MRFs.
I have two dukes, one for my brother. Have Metzelers on the second... Michelin are performing just as well as the Metzelers, but the Metzeler set was for about ₹17,000 and they wear out pretty soon, say close to 6-7000km.... So the michelins make a much better investment
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Just sharing some useful info...
I dont know if it is pan India, but free KTM check up and cleaning camp as commenced at Noida today...came to know when I reached svc today.
In this camp, they are giving:
Free wash,
Chain Lubing using Motul Lube
Air Filter Cleaning
Battery Terminal Cleaning
Battery Voltage Check
Battery Charging Check
Spark Plug cleaning
Radiator Fan check
Front and Rear Disc pad cleaning
Plus WD40 spray in required areas.
Atleast I can confirm for Suman Bajaj, Noida....the camp will go on for 7 days.
Cheers
AkshayLast edited by AkshayA; 07-21-2014, 10:41 PM.
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Originally posted by aadilnaik View PostMy bad, I fudged up the tire size. It's a 140 section as opposed to the 150 MRFs just like you said... And just like you said, the increased height takes a lil getting used to but then it's cool...
I have two dukes, one for my brother. Have Metzelers on the second... Michelin are performing just as well as the Metzelers, but the Metzeler set was for about ₹17,000 and they wear out pretty soon, say close to 6-7000km.... So the michelins make a much better investment
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+1 worth every penny
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Hello Folks,
Calling all active KTM owners to take part in the discussion for the first KTM Exclusive Interstate Meet:
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