Re: KTM 200 Duke

I was one of the few who had a bad experience with KIIRUS, I just filed it under bad luck and let it go, a few others who got their bikes remapped had no issues whatsoever.
The remap is worth it, actually works better than the piggyback units. Better lowend grunt and a more uniform torque curve.

The KIIRUS remap somehow didn't gel well with the engine and I ended up blowing all my o-ring seals. Still no answer as to why that happened.
The Bajaj boffins tried to flash it back to stock but ended up corrupting the ECU. The replacement ECU was on the map v11.43 versus the previous map of v11.27. The map seemed very similar but there was a cut off only once we hit 144kmph instead of the cut off at 137kmph.

The subsequent modifications to the lifter springs and the throttle butterfly added another 4kmph to the top speed and it topped out at 148kmph.

If you have the time, tinker with the engine, it has loads more to give. If you don't have the luxury of time, then a remap suffices.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hello guys,

I recently done 1st paid service of my duke and first time fill motul 7100 oil. After riding of 100 kms this is observation of motul as compared to bajaj dtsi 10000 oil.

-The gear shifts are much smoother now.
-The engine sound changed a bit.That roary sound comes after 7000 rpm.
-Engine heats up quickly now but does not overheat in traffic and i thought engine runs little bit cooler after switch to motul .
-I didn't expect this but FE is now increased by 2-3 km/ltr. Don't know how but i checked this twicely.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

I am surprised to hear that a stock map from ktm was able to hit 140+ kmph and I have no idea on the 'versions' that are out there. How do you find out the version ? Is there a sticker or something on the ecu or does it required to be wired up to a diag tool/computer to get this info ? Considering the different type of obd socket the ktm has, maybe I should check out some juggad to get a cable and hook it up to a computer with some tuning software like tuneecu.

Your experience with kiirus has me in two minds.. do you know anybody else in hyderabad who has a kiirus remap, preferably without any other mods ? i wanted to ride one such bike to see how it felt. I am not a top speed guy (i'd be happy with a 120 ish top speed for a d200) but what I look for is the initial grunt/acceleration with good reliability.
I did write in to kiirus with a long list of questions and clarifications, but they simply could not reply with answers and instead asked me to 'call' them.

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Yes, the 7100 seems to be the ideal oil for the duke, and it holds up very well for the 5k drain intervals. Stick to this oil.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

The initial lot of Duke 200s used to redline even in the 6th gear and were extremely rev happy, there used to be a massive surge of torque past 5000 rpm. Bajaj revised the sprocket size to a 42T to help with the redline issue but it only made it worse. This was the first remap which didn't allow the engine to hit the rev limiter. This also resolved the rollover sensor issue. The sensor used to cause the engine to cut off while you were completely banked over in a corner. a few of us even ended up crashing our bikes because of the same reason.

The KIIRUS map is worth it, the torque band is much wider which does help in bumper to bumper traffic, however if all you are looking for is a free revving engine, I would suggest an air filter upgrade. It works just as well without voiding your warranty. I do not think anyone else in Hyderabad has KIIRUS remap, at least none that I know of. There are quite a few RD piggybacks though.

As for connecting it to a standard OBD ii port, I will need to dig through my archives, I have the wiring diagram for the hook up, you will need minimal soldering skills to complete it and standard apps like Tune ECU do read and allow you to clear errors as well.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Would replacing the air filter alone be enough to make the engine breath freely, even in lower gears?? Because in my 3rd gear, the bike seems to have a bit of a lag, and only climbs up the revs after a while, I have tried changing the spark plug, the stock filter, and the fuel filter as well, but still no significant difference.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Have tried and Tune ECU doesn't work with the BOSCH ecu.
My Duke has similar setup with 42 sprocket and Michelin PSR(140/70).
N I do miss the frantic nature of the bike with v9 tune and 43 sprocket.
Can you give some more details on the mechanical mods? So that I can make my duke a bit more fun

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Check for residue from bad fuel in your throttle bodies, this could be the issue with the lag you are experiencing. An aftermarket air filter does make it breathe a lot better.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

1. Aftermarket filter as in - Replacement K&N or Conical ones?

2. And wont aftermarket filters make the bike run lean? (More air, lean AFR)

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hi ,
I wrote a mail to KTM they forwarded the mail to the same dealer who told me KTM is not concerned about purchase of the bike from anywhere but recommends authorized dealers . My question is suppose if i purchase it from my local dealer with proper PDI and stuff .Will the authorized SVC honour the company given warranty ?

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Mechanical mods are as follows.
- Front suspension
Changed to stiffer springs, these were custom made to have lower rebound, made it brilliant for corner carving but was a pain on broken roads. I also changed the fork oil to a much thicker oil from AMSOil. I am unable to recall the weight. Will need to check and get back to you on that, this has a better heat dissipation and didn't let the suspension go soft after a lot of hard riding.
- Brakes
Changed the Fluid to AMSOil 600 for lesser brake fade during my weekend twisty runs and the occasional track days, only issue with this oil is that it is highly hygroscopic and needs to be changed every 8-10 months. The sintered pads that come with the stock pads are good enough and can take quite a beating so never bothered to upgrade them.
- Air Filter and Oil Filter were switched with the K&N replacements- worth the investment if you ask me
- The Clutch used to heat up and fade during the track sessions, got stiffer springs made, this helped quite a bit, only issue was that the clutch was almost as heavy as a 600s, I tried using Dhaval's hydraulic bolt on but this caused me to lose a lot of clutch feel so decided the better option was to build up my finger muscles :P . I used to keep experimenting with the tension on the clutch basket till I found a sweet spot which worked for my style of riding. I ended up not using the clutch most of the time. I think the only time I ended up using the clutch was to launch and when I wanted to pull wheelies and no, this did not cause my gears to get eaten away. Never replaced the clutch or the gears during my ownership tenure of 3 years.
- Rolon Chain Kit
After replacing the stock chain kit twice, I decided I needed something that was a little more heavy duty, and Rolon had the perfect answer. The aftermarket chain kit didn't stretch out as much and I usually adjusted it once or twice between service intervals. The Rolon Kit lasted me over 40K kms compared to the stock which hardly used to last 12-13k kms
- Like all the initial Dukes, mine had an issue with the backfire while down shifting as well, made stiffer lifter springs which were more rigid than the stock springs, this helped shut the valves in time preventing the back fire, this had an additional benefit of giving me better low end torque.
- The stock throttle bodies close very abruptly and this was a pain during the track sessions, the heavy engine braking used to force me to keep the throttle half pinned most of the time to stop this from happening. A couple of the boffins from Chennai told me I could negate this by using a lighter spring on the throttle body, I was a little skeptical at first but it worked brilliantly, the engine braking was reduced drastically, which can be scary initially but once you learn to use it properly, it almost feels like an old 2-stroke smoker in the corners.

This is most of it, if you have more specific questions do feel free to ask and I will try to answer them

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Replacement K&N KT-1211, do not use the conical unless you have a sock to go with it.

The KTMs have an oxygen sensor and the AFR will remain stoichiometric unless it is remapped, the KIIRUS remap used to let it drop to 12.5:1 when it was wide open, hence the increased low end torque.

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Just remembered I used the ELM 327 Bluetooth OBD Plugin with some minor soldering for the adapter. I used to use Torque and MX7 apps to check what was going on with the bike. TuneECU works on Triumphs, sorry for the mistake on my end.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Thanks a lot for listing all the mods, even I had the clutch springs in mind.
Will try and find spring manufacturers here for stiffer springs. Also planning to overhaul shocks with new springs and 20w fluid.
Will PM you if I need any further help.

Yup even I have done that,but my bike has never got an error till date so couldn't check whether it can clear error codes, but it does show other info like temperatures, TPS, O2 etc.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Thanx for the prompt reply

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Most metal turning shops should be able to make you springs, just make sure you go to someone who knows what they are doing, the first set of clutch springs snapped because they weren't heat treated properly. Luckily there was no damage caused.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hey guys, i am just about to change the chain and sprocket kit of my duke. Thinking of getting rolon one. Want to know how much does it cost and where can i get it. Thanks


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Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hello Everyone. I am new to XBHP. I am planning on buying a Duke 200. PLease tell your suggestions and opinions on the Bike. Also, did any one purchase the latest 2015 model Duke 200 with the updates that are being circulated on the web. If purchased, please post pictures with the differences. Thank you. I will wait for your comments, suggestions and opinions. Please do post them!