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  • Originally posted by nilesh14587 View Post
    Hello @psr

    As you know sooooo much technical stuff about bike, I wanted to ask you a question.

    What decides the idling rpm of bike??

    I am asking this as my bike never got rpm adjusted through AFR/idling screw till 1st service but still its cold idling rpm dropped from 1300 to 1100 after I changed oil to motul 3000 15W50 from DTSi. I am sure there is no other variable. So i guess oil could be one variable. So then there must be other variable as well apart from AFR.

    If you could give a detailed picture regarding how the engine decides to idle at certain rpm in given condition, would be quite helpful.
    Nilesh, Are you saying that you changed the oil from DTSi to motul in the first service or after the first service?

    Select any one of the below:

    1. No oil change before first service > First oil change to DTSi at first service > Then you change to motul 3000 15W50

    2. No oil change before first service > First oil change to Motul 3000 15W50
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    • my bike has become quite harsh and the engine makes a sort of knocking sound and has lost the smoothness it had earlier and even the gear shifts require a lot of effort now.it has clocked around 230kms,had been riding it a bit a sanely for the last 30-40kms.can this be the cause and what to do now.
      please help! and BTW what is tappet noise.
      Last edited by avi_nash94; 09-25-2012, 11:58 PM.

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      • Originally posted by avi_nash94 View Post
        my bike has become quite harsh and the engine makes a sort of knocking sound and has lost the smoothness it had earlier and even the gear shifts require a lot of effort now.it has clocked around 230kms,had been riding it a bit a sanely for the last 30-40kms.can this be the cause and what to do now.
        please help! and BTW what is tappet noise.
        Every issue mentioned by you is related to engine OIL. Kindly check and if possible change the same. Go for Motul mineral oil
        Last edited by ankur2smart; 09-26-2012, 12:04 AM.
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        • Originally posted by ankur2smart View Post
          Every issue mentioned by you is related to engine OIL. Kindly check and if possible change the same. Go for Motul mineral oil
          Its very hard to find Motul in my area,almost impossible.Please suggest some other brand.BTW can it be some AFR related issue because I had altered it as I was getting a mileage of 22.46kmpl earlier and after tuning getting a mileage of 45kmpl.
          Last edited by avi_nash94; 09-26-2012, 12:14 AM.

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          • Originally posted by avi_nash94 View Post
            Its very hard to find Motul in my area,almost impossible.Please suggest some other brand.BTW can it be some AFR related issue because I had altered it as I was getting a mileage of 22.46kmpl earlier and after tuning getting a mileage of 45kmpl.
            AFR is something that I hardly know, however I doubt that is the reason. You can try castrol or shell. But only mineral oil
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            • Originally posted by ankur2smart View Post
              AFR is something that I hardly know, however I doubt that is the reason. You can try castrol or shell. But only mineral oil
              Ok castrol and shell are easily available here.Will be trying it as soon as possible.

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                • [QUOTE=utsavchs;875297]Don't change the oil now. Let it run for another 100kms or more before you change to Bajaj DTSi/Castrol/Motul. Reason, The oil that came with the bike, helps in engine in the initial time for getting used to the running conditions and all the parts <I forgot the exact word>. 300~500kms would be the ideal time when one should change the oil for the first ...

                  thanx. But still confused someone says change oil to motul mineral after 100km, is it really that important? On the other hand owners manual says stick with dtsi oil. Damn confused. Please some one through more lights in to this. What's are the benefits I get if change engine oil early, say 200km? Motul or dtsi?

                  My engine also have a click click taping sound...which some times become very prominent. One more thing I noticed that when I closed the throttle then I can feel the engine vibration clearly on my foot. Is it normal?

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                  • Originally posted by avi_nash94 View Post
                    Its very hard to find Motul in my area,almost impossible.Please suggest some other brand.BTW can it be some AFR related issue because I had altered it as I was getting a mileage of 22.46kmpl earlier and after tuning getting a mileage of 45kmpl.
                    Never alter AFR settings during the initial stage. Causes critical issues in post run-in periods.
                    Try Shell, Castrol or even the DTSi oil remains good for the first 500kms.

                    Originally posted by robot View Post
                    Originally posted by utsavchs View Post
                    Don't change the oil now. Let it run for another 100kms or more before you change to Bajaj DTSi/Castrol/Motul. Reason, The oil that came with the bike, helps in engine in the initial time for getting used to the running conditions and all the parts <I forgot the exact word>. 300~500kms would be the ideal time when one should change the oil for the first ...
                    thanx. But still confused someone says change oil to motul mineral after 100km, is it really that important? On the other hand owners manual says stick with dtsi oil. Damn confused. Please some one through more lights in to this. What's are the benefits I get if change engine oil early, say 200km? Motul or dtsi?

                    My engine also have a click click taping sound...which some times become very prominent. One more thing I noticed that when I closed the throttle then I can feel the engine vibration clearly on my foot. Is it normal?
                    See, The oil that comes with the bike in new condition helps in the initial run-in of the bike. Yes, it is good to change the oil in the first 100kms only if you have the same oil available. Note, it is NOT the DTSi oil that the SVC guys put in first servicing. If you change to DTSi / Motul in the first 100kms, the run-in doesn't occur freely. So, Stick to the original oil till 300~500kms not more than that. Then, you have the option of either changing the oil to DTSi or Motul.
                    Since DTSi is already a SS oil, I say you can proceed with Motul SS oils. Just to be on a better position, change the oil after around 1.5~1.8k. Why people say get motul and not DTSi, is that DTSi is cheap and performs reasonably good for 500~1000kms but beyond that the oil gets bad and you better change it if you are a performance freak, still it can continue for the next 2-3k kms though but with hugely reduced performance.

                    What I generally follow is somewhat like this:

                    300~400kms = 1st servicing +oil change
                    1400 ~ 1700kms = oil change (DTSi oil)
                    2500 ~2700kms = servicing + oil change (Motul SS/Mineral)
                    and then continue normal servicing and oil change after 3~3.5k kms till 12k kms.
                    at 12~14k, I change the oil to Motul 1700 or 700 (I dont remember exactly now, its a FS just little below Motul 300V costs around 750~850Rs/lit) and change oils at an interval of 4-6k depending on the state of the oil.


                    For the tick-tick sound: What petrol are you using? Try Shell and let me know. (I don't generally fill Shell, its damn costly in my city). Also are you letting the bike drop around 2k in 6th gear? Get the spark plugs checked / carbon cleaned from them.
                    The best way is to keep the bike (while riding) always atleast above 3k RPM. Going till 2.5k RPM or below on high gears is not at all good. Might result in screwing up the engine.

                    Practice changing gears, you will be fast once practiced. These days I can go through all the gears in under 4 sec without any thing known as misgearing or gear skipping.

                    For engine vibes (if they are very powerful), check the bolts that support the engine at the Chassis. Very slight vibes do occur on all bikes even R15, unicorn, ZMA/ZMR and all the smoothest bikes out there have them.

                    NOTE: If you change to Mineral oils, the oil gets bad faster (well DTSi deteriorates faster than that).
                    Last edited by utsavchs; 09-26-2012, 01:30 AM.
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                    • Originally posted by robot View Post
                      thanx. But still confused someone says change oil to motul mineral after 100km, is it really that important? On the other hand owners manual says stick with dtsi oil. Damn confused. Please some one through more lights in to this. What's are the benefits I get if change engine oil early, say 200km? Motul or dtsi?

                      My engine also have a click click taping sound...which some times become very prominent. One more thing I noticed that when I closed the throttle then I can feel the engine vibration clearly on my foot. Is it normal?
                      It is normally prefereable to change the first run in oil at 200~250kms to remove the floating metal particles in the engine oil..for this the bike is usually driven for 5 kms and then the oil is drained...During run in all the NEW MOVING parts inside are meshing against each other and settling down....similarly small flash in the internal housing /or moving parts drop into the engine oil. Hence it is advised to change Engine Oil with Oil filter at 250 kms , then at 1, 000 kms and then to follow the Manufacturers advice.
                      Since Motul,Shell are good engine oils the same is preferred...Castrol Oil is being copied and many fake castrol oil has come into the market..so try to avoid castrol.after change to a good oil most of engine noise and vibrations are likely to reduce or go away.
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                      • Originally posted by ankur2smart View Post
                        AFR is something that I hardly know, however I doubt that is the reason. You can try castrol or shell. But only mineral oil
                        AFR = Air Fuel Ratio which ideally is set to 14.7:1 as Air : petrol. This is set by a screw on carburetor on the rear brake side. A few pages back it is discussed in detail...
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                        • Originally posted by robot View Post

                          thanx. But still confused someone says change oil to motul mineral after 100km, is it really that important? On the other hand owners manual says stick with dtsi oil. Damn confused. Please some one through more lights in to this. What's are the benefits I get if change engine oil early, say 200km? Motul or dtsi?

                          My engine also have a click click taping sound...which some times become very prominent. One more thing I noticed that when I closed the throttle then I can feel the engine vibration clearly on my foot. Is it normal?
                          Let senior member comment on your issues. But one thing for sure please don't go with bajaj oil. I am not telling that its bad, it's certainly not the best. This bike deserves top quality engine oil i.e., motul, castrol or shell.
                          Last edited by ankur2smart; 09-26-2012, 12:51 AM.
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                          • Originally posted by kaydee_bangalore View Post
                            Guys , on ten years of XBHP here is some love from the Naked Wolves ( Pulsar 200NS riders in Bangalore ) .

                            If anyone here from bangalore wants to join the group , you can find us on : https://www.facebook.com/groups/bajajpulsar200NS/

                            [ATTACH=CONFIG]81639[/ATTACH]
                            Is there any other way to contact you guys. I stopped using FB long back.
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                            • Originally posted by ankur2smart View Post
                              Is there any other way to contact you guys. I stopped using FB long back.
                              Hi ankur , check ur PM..
                              ATGATT! There are many wonderful riders/drivers out there who would intrude in your riding space without any notice. Be prepared. Stay Safe.

                              My True Wanderers Blog Entry :

                              www.truewanderers.in/travelogues/entry/144.html

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                              • Originally posted by psr View Post
                                It is normally prefereable to change the first run in oil at 200~250kms to remove the floating metal particles in the engine oil..for this the bike is usually driven for 5 kms and then the oil is drained...During run in all the NEW MOVING parts inside are meshing against each other and settling down....similarly small flash in the internal housing /or moving parts drop into the engine oil. Hence it is advised to change Engine Oil with Oil filter at 250 kms , then at 1, 000 kms and then to follow the Manufacturers advice.
                                Since Motul,Shell are good engine oils the same is preferred...Castrol Oil is being copied and many fake castrol oil has come into the market..so try to avoid castrol.after change to a good oil most of engine noise and vibrations are likely to reduce or go away.
                                Thanks for the valuable information. Tomorrow will visit SVC for the registration inspection. And by then my odo will be around 200km I guess. am from a small city called Suri. I don't know weather I can find motul mineral oil here? What else good brand widely available as you already mentioned castrol is not good. And let me know which grade? I really want to do for the engine sound which some times very annoying. Except this every thing is perfect..really enjoying the bike for every bit...It just awesome. Am upgraded from pulsar150 2006 model.

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