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**Anuj_Gupta** · 01-03-2014, 11:56 AM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

2250 km
Daily run less than 5km
Engine oil change time
Considering to try motul or petronas series
Q1. At 2250km, what I should look for, mineral, synthetic or semi synthetic. ..?
Q2. Petronas or motul. ..? ( mention code no. Too)

**Anuj_Gupta** · 01-03-2014, 05:15 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

Random pics of
1. Hazrad indicator flash button- hidden inside bikini fairing, cost 20 bucks
2. DUAL JALWA HORN- on both leg guards, sounds like skoda horns, COST 330. BUCKS.
3. Engine oil filter- 74 bucks
4. Motul 20w50 bottle- cost 350 bucks for 1 litre
5 motul 15w50 bottle- cost 270 bucks 1 litre
Can anyone TELL which motul bottle should I use in this winter time. ..? Green one or blue one..?

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**Cleaner** · 01-03-2014, 07:22 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

Originally posted by nishant.sukharia View Post

Here are some pics of the CEAT Zoom XL 140/70-17 H rated rear tyre which I got installed on my 200 yesterday.
The first thing I noticed was increased ride height , which is good. The tyre is still new as I've clocked just 30-40 kms on this one , but the grip is better than the Eurogrips especially while tipping the bike into a corner.
Took the bike out for a spin on the highway & I noticed that the speed of the bike is increased i.e on the Eurogrips , I used to hit 100 kph @ 7k RPM & 70 @ 5k RPM but now the bike attains 105 @ 7k & 74 @ 5k rpm. Also , this one gives better feedback than the Eurogrip & the bike feels more planted especially @ high speeds.
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Haha Dhoom 3 tire

I would like to see a detailed report from you about the tires, Did you remove the tire hugger because it would not accommodate the upsized tire or did it for the looks?
How's the grip, better than stock ones I bet, but every other tire has better grip than stock Eurogrip, except for TVS of course

Originally posted by teotia001 View Post

Hello Friends..

First of all.. A Very Happy New Year to all of you..

Seems i was missing a lot as i was not following thread from last few days due to some reasons.

I am facing a few problems, a few observations of mine.. here i go..

2 Weeks ago i got my bike serviced and i had decided to go for Motul 7100 this time, but the service center (Dewan Bajaj, Okhla Phase 3, Opposite Modi Mill, New Delhi) said that they are running out of Motul and Suggested AGIP 10W40 oil and they said they are preferring the same oil for Dukes and Ninjas. I was not in condition to go out and get Motul so decided to go on.

1st Issue: They charged me Rs.150/- for chain wash and Rs.150/- for lubricating chain. Do you all thing this is a justified amount. One can but Motul chain lube for 500/- approx and can use it for minimum 10 times for chain spray. I am thinking of to escalate this to Bajaj. Kindly Suggest.

2nd Issue: I had faced this earlier too, gear shifting is a bit hard along with harsh feel of engine running after the bike run a good 15 - 20 kms. Is this because of oil or this is in behavior of NS.

3rd Issue: I am facing this from almost 2 months but this is increased after the temperature had started going down in Delhi. Whenever i start my bike in the morning or evening after a long rest, bike get started in 1 or 2 click but when i accelerate after that, engine kills itself. This problem remains till the engine maintain a good temperature and usually happen only at initial acceleration. I feel this is something related to AFR screw. Any part inside carb which is not working fine and is faulty. Something made of rubber gets shrink due to low temp and come to original state after getting hot. Though i stated the same issue while giving bike for service but they tried to get rid of this saying this is normal in winters and i did not argued as it was not worth to waste time in arguing with them.

4th Issue: I had seen fellow NS users saying their millage 40 - 50 KMPL but i had not got anything more then 33 - 35 KMPL from the day i am using NS. I usually ride in city traffic and 30% - 40% on highways sometimes. I always try to maintain speed more then 60 KMPH depending on traffic and normally ride high speeds only.

I am done with 21000 on ODO. Apart then few vibes and few small issues like above said, i am fully enjoying riding NS and over all satisfied with my Bike.

The only thing which make me get frustrated of Bajaj is their service center. Can't they open a few company owned and operated service center which are not money minded and where Bajaj Engineers takes care of our bikes (Just a suggestion which i am going to write them soon)

Thanks to all of you in Advance.

Happy new year to you too

The first issue is not actually related to the bike but about those pesky SVCs. They should not charge more than 50 rupees for cleaning, lubricating and adjusting the chain. You can do it yourself easily too, just use old engine oil to lubricate and kerosene to clean, stay away from those expensive chain sprays, useless junk. Let's say you need to lubricate the chain after 500 kms, a can costs 500 rupees and assuming you use it 10 times, a can lasts for 5,000 kms, the average chain life is 15k kms on 200NS, so you spend 1,500 rupees on chain maintenance alone. The chain being a naked one, won't last long even if you lubricate religiously. The chain sprocket set costs 1209 rupees, so use your judgements when buying chain sprays. Also few people would tell you not to use old engine oil since it has dust/metal part in it, but 200NS has a naked chain and upon applying it, the oil would attract dust and other particles from the surroundings anyway.

Second issue is due to the engine oil. You can go low on the first number on the grade of engine oils, like you can use 15w50 even 0w50 in a engine on which manufacturers recommend 20w50 but never go lower on the second number. 20w40 on 200NS is a strict no no. Buy a bottle of Motul 7100 15w50 and make sure you replace the oil filter every time you change oil.

The problem accelerating in the morning is due to slightly lean AFR, the mixture setting you currently have on your bike is perfect for summer but on winter it is not optimal. Use choke when you start your bike for the first time in the morning and let it idle for like 2 minutes, or you can turn the AFR screw 1/8th of a turn counterclockwise and the problem will vanish.
(You may have to turn 1/4th of a turn too depending on your current AFR setting, turn 1/8th of a turn and see the next day if you still have that problem, if it still persists, turn another 1/8th of a turn counterclockwise)

The issue about mileage is just in your head, nobody gets 50 kmpl out of 200NS, that is just utter horsecrap. Some people make mistakes while calculating mileage and post that wrong value in the forums leading to confusion. Mileage also depends on a lot of factors like riding style, traffic condition, road condition etc. From your description of your riding style, I can assure you that you are getting the good mileage out of 200NS. Be happy and love your bike, remember, it's not mileage that is important, it's the riding fun that counts

**deep007** · 01-03-2014, 07:27 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

guys i badly need wind shield for my ns because the wind effect above 80kmph speed is very much and this make the ride uncomfortable..and this make me uncomfortable to cruise at 80kmph speed please give me some solutions and provided me the pictures please....

**nishant.sukharia** · 01-03-2014, 07:27 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

Originally posted by smrutisourav View Post

bro can u post a pic of rear tyre, in an angle like ur pro file picture and directly from rear, from a 5 foot distance

I hope this is what you were looking for.

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

Haha Dhoom 3 tire

I would like to see a detailed report from you about the tires, Did you remove the tire hugger because it would not accommodate the upsized tire or did it for the looks?
How's the grip, better than stock ones I bet, but every other tire has better grip than stock Eurogrip, except for TVS of course

I removed the hugger long ago for aesthetics.
And the grip is way better than Eurogrip , especially at high speeds.

**Anuj_Gupta** · 01-03-2014, 07:31 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

So finally, went for the Motul shown in pics, costed 700 for 2 litres, they also vacuumed all the engine chamber of any carp bajaj oil( is this engine overhaul..?) Anyways, put 1.35 litre and MY GOD ,WHERE ARE THE VIBES ...? What a performance. ..? Is this a. Honda bike..?
Also shopkeeper gave me a petrol addictive of some kind, costs 5 bucks a packet, I'm advised to use this for every 5 litres petrol
Hats off motul

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**Cleaner** · 01-03-2014, 07:32 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

@Anuj_Gupta You made it hard to suggest you the oil, normally the lower first number of a engine oil means better performance at low temperature, by that rule, the blue bottle would be better than the other bottle, the green one. But here comes the twist, the blue bottle is mineral and the green bottle is semi synthetic, we all know that synthetic oil performs better at lower and higher temperature compared to mineral oil.

Since your bike is new and have not put much on the odo, I'd suggest you to go with the mineral 15w50 one, the blue bottle. From next time, use 15w50 semi-synthetic or fully synthetic oil.

Edit: Disregard my comment about synthetic vs. mineral oil, I just noticed both are 3100. Go with the blue one.

Second edit: One is indeed semi-synthetic, these new Motul products are really confusing.

That is not an engine overhaul, they just flashed the old oil out, this is not needed IMHO, how did they do it, using a vacuum hose?
That should have drained all the old oil so the correct amount is 1.4 liter oil.

That petrol additive is useless, it ruins the engines, never ever use it.

**deep007** · 01-03-2014, 07:35 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

Originally posted by cleaner View Post

haha dhoom 3 tire :d

i would like to see a detailed report from you about the tires, did you remove the tire hugger because it would not accommodate the upsized tire or did it for the looks?
How's the grip, better than stock ones i bet, but every other tire has better grip than stock eurogrip, except for tvs of course

happy new year to you too

the first issue is not actually related to the bike but about those pesky svcs. They should not charge more than 50 rupees for cleaning, lubricating and adjusting the chain. You can do it yourself easily too, just use old engine oil to lubricate and kerosene to clean, stay away from those expensive chain sprays, useless junk. Let's say you need to lubricate the chain after 500 kms, a can costs 500 rupees and assuming you use it 10 times, a can lasts for 5,000 kms, the average chain life is 15k kms on 200ns, so you spend 1,500 rupees on chain maintenance alone. The chain being a naked one, won't last long even if you lubricate religiously. The chain sprocket set costs 1209 rupees, so use your judgements when buying chain sprays. Also few people would tell you not to use old engine oil since it has dust/metal part in it, but 200ns has a naked chain and upon applying it, the oil would attract dust and other particles from the surroundings anyway.

Second issue is due to the engine oil. You can go low on the first number on the grade of engine oils, like you can use 15w50 even 0w50 in a engine on which manufacturers recommend 20w50 but never go lower on the second number. 20w40 on 200ns is a strict no no. buy a bottle of motul 7100 15w50 and make sure you replace the oil filter every time you change oil.

The problem accelerating in the morning is due to slightly lean afr, the mixture setting you currently have on your bike is perfect for summer but on winter it is not optimal. Use choke when you start your bike for the first time in the morning and let it idle for like 2 minutes, or you can turn the afr screw 1/8th of a turn counterclockwise and the problem will vanish.
(you may have to turn 1/4th of a turn too depending on your current afr setting, turn 1/8th of a turn and see the next day if you still have that problem, if it still persists, turn another 1/8th of a turn counterclockwise)

the issue about mileage is just in your head, nobody gets 50 kmpl out of 200ns, that is just utter horsecrap. Some people make mistakes while calculating mileage and post that wrong value in the forums leading to confusion. Mileage also depends on a lot of factors like riding style, traffic condition, road condition etc. From your description of your riding style, i can assure you that you are getting the good mileage out of 200ns. Be happy and love your bike, remember, it's not mileage that is important, it's the riding fun that counts

i have acheived 48kmpl with maintaining speed under 50kmph ......i have calculated it reserve to reserve method..and i am getting 40-42kmpl when riding at 80kmph speed

**Cleaner** · 01-03-2014, 07:55 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

Originally posted by deep007 View Post

i have acheived 48kmpl with maintaining speed under 50kmph ......i have calculated it reserve to reserve method..and i am getting 40-42kmpl when riding at 80kmph speed

How accurate is the reserve to reserve method? the time you achieved 48 kmpl, you were going for mileage, carefully riding and keeping it slow. To get accurate results, put 1 liter petrol in a 2 liter coke bottle and connect the fuel lines to it and ride normally, not going for mileage as some does. See how long you can go with that much petrol.

**Mohankumar Bruiser** · 01-03-2014, 09:03 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

Guys same am also face the same... I changed with CASTROL GTX 20W50.... Ma beast drank 1.3Lts but remains in MIN level.... But i stop filling, can i topup some more... If yes how much i should....

**Anuj_Gupta** · 01-03-2014, 09:49 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

Originally posted by Mohankumar Bruiser View Post

Guys same am also face the same... I changed with CASTROL GTX 20W50.... Ma beast drank 1.3Lts but remains in MIN level.... But i stop filling, can i topup some more... If yes how much i should....

Mine 1.35 litre is not a problem, I did engine vacuum cleaning, that's why it took 1.35 litre,

**Cleaner** · 01-03-2014, 09:51 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

Originally posted by Anuj_Gupta View Post

Mine 1.35 litre is not a problem, I did engine overhaul, that's why it took 1.35 litre,

Why did you do engine overhaul on a new bike, engine seized?

**Anuj_Gupta** · 01-03-2014, 10:26 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

Why did you do engine overhaul on a new bike, engine seized?

Sorry, typo mistake

**princesirohi** · 01-03-2014, 11:12 PM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

Originally posted by teotia001 View Post

......They charged me Rs.150/- for chain wash and Rs.150/- for lubricating chain. Do you all thing this is a justified amount. One can but Motul chain lube for 500/- approx and can use it for minimum 10 times for chain spray. I am thinking of to escalate this to Bajaj. Kindly Suggest......

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

.....The first issue is not actually related to the bike but about those pesky SVCs. They should not charge more than 50 rupees for cleaning, lubricating and adjusting the chain. ............

300 rupees for chain wash and chain lubrication is too much, BUT ... you cant get it done in 50 rupees if the ASC is using a chain lube spray. just consider the cost of chain lube spray and you can understand. another factor is that an NS takes a very long time to service, considering you have to remove seat, then all plastic panels then petrol tank just to access the air filter and mind you they have to again assemble all this after air filter cleaning. in the same amount of time they can easily service 2-3 non-NS bikes and earn much more money, so they tend to charge you by other methods like chain cleaning etc. having said that my service center charges 125 ruppes for chain cleaning and chain lube spray. your service center charged way too much and you can surely escalate the matters.

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

........You can do it yourself easily too, just use old engine oil to lubricate and kerosene to clean, stay away from those expensive chain sprays, useless junk. Let's say you need to lubricate the chain after 500 kms, a can costs 500 rupees and assuming you use it 10 times, a can lasts for 5,000 kms, the average chain life is 15k kms on 200NS, so you spend 1,500 rupees on chain maintenance alone. The chain being a naked one, won't last long even if you lubricate religiously. The chain sprocket set costs 1209 rupees, so use your judgements when buying chain sprays. Also few people would tell you not to use old engine oil since it has dust/metal part in it, but 200NS has a naked chain and upon applying it, the oil would attract dust and other particles from the surroundings anyway...............

old engine oil should never be used to lubricate chain, even if its not an NS, the reasons are --(1) metal dust is different that road dirt. needless to say that metal dust is much more harmful than road dirt.(2) used oil has almost no lubrication ability.(3) it does not have the required viscosity.forget used oil, even if you use a brand new SAE90 grade oil, it is not of much use in NS, since at high speeds, the oil simply flies away and does not even last 500 KMS (i have tried it coz of same cost benifit logic) and to make situation worse a chain lubricated with oil catches dirt much more than one lubed with a good quality chain spray.SAE90 oil works fine in other slower bikes with covered chains, but not in a fast bike with open chain.

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

@Anuj_Gupta You made it hard to suggest you the oil, normally the lower first number of a engine oil means better performance at low temperature, by that rule, the blue bottle would be better than the other bottle, the green one. But here comes the twist, the blue bottle is mineral and the green bottle is semi synthetic, we all know that synthetic oil performs better at lower and higher temperature compared to mineral oil.Since your bike is new and have not put much on the odo, I'd suggest you to go with the mineral 15w50 one, the blue bottle. From next time, use 15w50 semi-synthetic or fully synthetic oil.Edit: Disregard my comment about synthetic vs. mineral oil, I just noticed both are 3100. Go with the blue one.Second edit: One is indeed semi-synthetic, these new Motul products are really confusing.....

isn't it quite clear from the bottle. moreover if you are not sure, why create confusion.

Originally posted by Mohankumar Bruiser View Post

Guys same am also face the same... I changed with CASTROL GTX 20W50.... Ma beast drank 1.3Lts but remains in MIN level.... But i stop filling, can i topup some more... If yes how much i should....

bro, isn't GTX a car engine oil. why are you taking the risk.

**teotia001** · 01-04-2014, 12:57 AM

Re: Pulsar 200 NS

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

The first issue is not actually related to the bike but about those pesky SVCs. They should not charge more than 50 rupees for cleaning, lubricating and adjusting the chain. You can do it yourself easily too, just use old engine oil to lubricate and kerosene to clean, stay away from those expensive chain sprays, useless junk. Let's say you need to lubricate the chain after 500 kms, a can costs 500 rupees and assuming you use it 10 times, a can lasts for 5,000 kms, the average chain life is 15k kms on 200NS, so you spend 1,500 rupees on chain maintenance alone. The chain being a naked one, won't last long even if you lubricate religiously. The chain sprocket set costs 1209 rupees, so use your judgements when buying chain sprays. Also few people would tell you not to use old engine oil since it has dust/metal part in it, but 200NS has a naked chain and upon applying it, the oil would attract dust and other particles from the surroundings anyway.

Agreed.. Actually do keep doing these things my self. I had washed my bike's chain thrice in last 6000 kms using diesel. Also i agree to you here about the life span of 15k kms of drive chain that is why i just tried Motul Spary only once which last for 4 - 5 k kms only. But i usually dont use used engine oil. This time i am thinking of to use Black Grease lubricant. Just a try, if it will not work, then again will switch to lubricant of fresh oil after chain wash.

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

Second issue is due to the engine oil. You can go low on the first number on the grade of engine oils, like you can use 15w50 even 0w50 in a engine on which manufacturers recommend 20w50 but never go lower on the second number. 20w40 on 200NS is a strict no no. Buy a bottle of Motul 7100 15w50 and make sure you replace the oil filter every time you change oil.

I was confused about this that is why i asked here. Will change soon whenever possible. And also try to escalate this issue to Bajaj Area Service Manager. Why i am going to pay for this oil which is not performing as per my expectations.

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

The problem accelerating in the morning is due to slightly lean AFR, the mixture setting you currently have on your bike is perfect for summer but on winter it is not optimal. Use choke when you start your bike for the first time in the morning and let it idle for like 2 minutes, or you can turn the AFR screw 1/8th of a turn counterclockwise and the problem will vanish.
(You may have to turn 1/4th of a turn too depending on your current AFR setting, turn 1/8th of a turn and see the next day if you still have that problem, if it still persists, turn another 1/8th of a turn counterclockwise)

I agree with you but i would like to clear the scenario more. Its like if the accelerator have 8 different levels, bike is on 1st level by default at starting, bike get started easily, but when i try to accelerate means try to come to level 2 or 3, engine get killed itself. Means there is something which is creating problem in accelerating.

Still i will try after making changes as you said and will revert.

Originally posted by Cleaner View Post

The issue about mileage is just in your head, nobody gets 50 kmpl out of 200NS, that is just utter horsecrap. Some people make mistakes while calculating mileage and post that wrong value in the forums leading to confusion. Mileage also depends on a lot of factors like riding style, traffic condition, road condition etc. From your description of your riding style, I can assure you that you are getting the good mileage out of 200NS. Be happy and love your bike, remember, it's not mileage that is important, it's the riding fun that counts

Well, millage was never a issue that is why i chooses NS. Just a doubt which i shared with you all.

Originally posted by princesirohi View Post

300 rupees for chain wash and chain lubrication is too much, BUT ... you cant get it done in 50 rupees if the ASC is using a chain lube spray. just consider the cost of chain lube spray and you can understand. another factor is that an NS takes a very long time to service, considering you have to remove seat, then all plastic panels then petrol tank just to access the air filter and mind you they have to again assemble all this after air filter cleaning. in the same amount of time they can easily service 2-3 non-NS bikes and earn much more money, so they tend to charge you by other methods like chain cleaning etc. having said that my service center charges 125 ruppes for chain cleaning and chain lube spray. your service center charged way too much and you can surely escalate the matters.old engine oil should never be used to lubricate chain, even if its not an NS, the reasons are --(1) metal dust is different that road dirt. needless to say that metal dust is much more harmful than road dirt.(2) used oil has almost no lubrication ability.(3) it does not have the required viscosity.forget used oil, even if you use a brand new SAE90 grade oil, it is not of much use in NS, since at high speeds, the oil simply flies away and does not even last 500 KMS (i have tried it coz of same cost benifit logic) and to make situation worse a chain lubricated with oil catches dirt much more than one lubed with a good quality chain spray.SAE90 oil works fine in other slower bikes with covered chains, but not in a fast bike with open chain.isn't it quite clear from the bottle. moreover if you are not sure, why create confusion.bro, isn't GTX a car engine oil. why are you taking the risk.

Agreed with you, still 300/- for chain wash and lubricant is way too much. Thanks for suggestions about chain lubricant.

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