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  • #946
    Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

    Originally posted by emm View Post
    Abhi, can you explain me what is exactly meant by refinement of engine. The reason I am asking is, many places in this forum and outside as well I come across the term engine being refined . I understood it as smooth. But many places its written the engine is refined but has vibes or as u termed in your post, the engine being not refined like earlier but it has less vibes. So, could you explain the definition and difference between the engine being refined and engine being without vibrations. Just need to clarify my doubt to understand the discussion better.
    Honda engines are considered more refined than yamaha because they sound smooth but they tend to vibrate at higher rpms whereas yamaha engines sounds little rough in comparison to honda but they don't vibrate.
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    • #947
      Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

      Thank you abhi and naveen. I guess I have got some idea now about engine being refined. . Refinement and vibrations are different things. :thumbup:

      Originally posted by Naveen1985 View Post
      Honda engines are considered more refined than yamaha because they sound smooth but they tend to vibrate at higher rpms whereas yamaha engines sounds little rough in comparison to honda but they don't vibrate.
      Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post
      In other words, refinement is regarding the engine status only. Which is good..

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      • #948
        Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

        And from the two quoted sentences, I guess new ebr tuned zmr engine has become more Yamaha than Honda...

        Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post
        In case of the new zmr, i felt the harshness in the engine a bit, but, paradoxically, nil vibes. Which is good..

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        Originally posted by Naveen1985 View Post
        Honda engines are considered more refined than yamaha because they sound smooth but they tend to vibrate at higher rpms whereas yamaha engines sounds little rough in comparison to honda but they don't vibrate.
        Last edited by emm; 12-04-2014, 06:00 PM.

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        • #949
          Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

          Originally posted by emm View Post
          And from the two quoted sentences, I guess new ebr tuned zmr engine has become more like Yamaha than Honda...
          American engines are not famous for their refinement, they are famous for their rawness, grunt, sound and mad nature...
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          • #950
            Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

            Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post
            Well, i suggested a neighbour of mine to go with the new zmr. And he did. He bought it two months back and its completed 5-6k kms. Out of which i can say 750-1000kms were done by me
            I have to say the bike accelerates like crazy and the old zmr has no chance of catching up. Got a chance to drag on a safe patch of road with zero traffic. Got a chance to compare with the p220 as well. Hero finally managed to beat the p220 in both, acceleration and top speed after so many years of its launch. Lol! That's one perspective to look at it.
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            Was the top speed run done with a 2014 220 ?
            They have made very minor changes too and from 220 ownership thread its more rev friendly and smooth .

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            • #951
              Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

              Originally posted by Giftonsamuel View Post
              Was the top speed run done with a 2014 220 ?
              They have made very minor changes too and from 220 ownership thread its more rev friendly and smooth .
              No bro. Older one. And i have to say, the newer one is far more sexier! I thought it was my psychology playing around when i was riding a 220 bought about a month back, thinking it was new and hence the smoothness which will disappear after a couple of months, etc.. But if the company has tried further improving it, then i must say, its really good!

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              • #952
                Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

                Originally posted by Giftonsamuel View Post
                Was the top speed run done with a 2014 220 ?
                They have made very minor changes too and from 220 ownership thread its more rev friendly and smooth .
                Are you sure...???
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                • #953
                  Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

                  Originally posted by Naveen1985 View Post
                  Are you sure...???
                  Yup.
                  Check the 220 ownership thread .
                  They have reduced the dia of exhaust .
                  Plus they comment the engine too be a lot smoother than before .

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                  • #954
                    Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

                    Yup. Even I have recently ridden a new version p220 and even commented the same on their thread. The new ones have become ultra smooth and with whatever I rode till 6500 to 7000 rpm it was not having any vibes as well.

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                    • #955
                      Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

                      Originally posted by emm View Post
                      Yup. Even I have recently ridden a new version p220 and even commented the same on their thread. The new ones have become ultra smooth and with whatever I rode till 6500 to 7000 rpm it was not having any vibes as well.
                      Ok but p220 is very front heavy bike which reduce its handling capability and add fatigue to the rider's body specially arms whereas karizma brothers feel light in comparison to p200. I know they are even older than p220 but their weight distribution is better, it is not in the league of fz or r15 but without doubt its better than pulsar 220. On the flip side pulsar feels more powerful and most of its parts are cheaper in comparison to karizmas but they are comparatively less durable.
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                      • #956
                        Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

                        Originally posted by Naveen1985 View Post
                        Ok but p220 is very front heavy bike which reduce its handling capability and add fatigue to the rider's body specially arms whereas karizma brothers feel light in comparison to p200. I know they are even older than p220 but their weight distribution is better, it is not in the league of fz or r15 but without doubt its better than pulsar 220. On the flip side pulsar feels more powerful and most of its parts are cheaper in comparison to karizmas but they are comparatively less durable.
                        Hold on. You mean to say, p220 is more heavier in the front than s zmr??

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                        • #957
                          Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

                          Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post
                          Hold on. You mean to say, p220 is more heavier in the front than s zmr??

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                          I haven't calculated their exact weight but karizma r and zmr feels light in comparison to p220.
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                          • #958
                            Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

                            P220 is heavier in the front compared to ZMR/Karizma. This is why P220 can't be flicked as easy as ZMA, and at the same time P220 feels much more solid on highways at high speeds.
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                            • #959
                              Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

                              ^^ you have a point. But on the engine front of new zmr and new p220, any idea how frugal the engine are? I.e., the engine maintaining the same refinement after few hours of continuous riding on highway. The old bajaj engines, even my bajaj 2013 engine becomes rough just after one or two hours of riding. But there are changes being done on both zmr and p220 engine, and the new p220 engine has become more smooth and refined. I have heard the previous version zmr engine stays the same even after hours of city or highway riding. But as they have changed some things on both engines, has the tables turned in this aspect.

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                              • #960
                                Re: Hero Karizma ZMR (2014 version)

                                Originally posted by emm View Post
                                ^^ you have a point. But on the engine front of new zmr and new p220, any idea how frugal the engine are? I.e., the engine maintaining the same refinement after few hours of continuous riding on highway. The old bajaj engines, even my bajaj 2013 engine becomes rough just after one or two hours of riding. But there are changes being done on both zmr and p220 engine, and the new p220 engine has become more smooth and refined. I have heard the previous version zmr engine stays the same even after hours of city or highway riding. But as they have changed some things on both engines, has the tables turned in this aspect.
                                After riding the new zmr for a couple of hours on highways, i can say that i didn't observe any noticeable changes in the engine note. Remained constant.

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