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  • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

    [MENTION=72200]xplod566[/MENTION] - my replies in bold:

    Originally posted by xplod566 View Post
    Motul 3100 is not recommend for the bike.it doesn't suite well with the bike.I had used it and changed it in another 80 kms.horrible engine oil.too much NVH. Switch to 5100 right away.
    You're right. 3100 is not really working out; I need to move to 5100 asap.

    also looking at the way u managed the bike it seems like you babysitted it a lot.so many engine oil change is not required.
    I need this bike to last for a few years, hence the babysitting. I can't afford to replace it any time soon. From past experience, I feel that Bajaj products do require a bit of TLC to make them last.

    also You don't need to open the fairing to adjust the high beam.a potent svc guy can do it without opening as I did mine yesterday.
    I envy you. The SVC guys here are completely clueless. I can just about reach the high beam adjustment knob from inside the fairing, but it's too tight to adjust with just one finger.

    You should have demanded for the MRF tyres.but I agree euroslips are terrible.
    Yes, I'll move to MRF sometime next year (definitely before the monsoon).

    Lastly don't babysit it so much.its Bajaj and made for India.so have a bit of fun and rough use with it.I strongly disagree regarding quality issues.I have been using it and previously I had a p180.compared to that the quality is really really good.
    Let's just agree to disagree, then

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    • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

      Originally posted by deebee View Post
      My AS200 has covered 3,800 km, with oil changes at 150, 550, 1,000, 2,000 and 3,400 km. Running-in has been done meticulously.

      At the last oil change (3,400 km), I switched from Bajaj 10,000 tomato soup to Motul 3100 Gold 20w50, the plan being to move gradually from Motul 3100 > 5100 > 7100 as the kilometres pile on. At the same service, the coolant level was topped up by the incompetent SVC guys beyond the maximum marker (bike was on main stand).

      Now, the bike seems to be accelerating slightly faster than earlier, and generally seems more responsive. However, refinement has hit an all-time low, with the engine sounding hoarse and vibration levels bordering on the severely annoying.

      Note - the high beam was adjusted during the service, which involved a total of 23 screws (!!) and a lot more expletives. Since then, the fairing sounds worse than earlier, which could be partially affecting my judgement of refinement levels.
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      The front brake was making a periodic grating sound. The brake assembly was taken apart, cleaned and put back during the service, which lowered the severity of the issue. But the disc is still touching the pad (clearly audible) at one point in its cycle. Could this be a potential warranty issue?

      The AS200 is a wonderful value-for-money proposition, sure... but goodness - Bajaj really needs to sort out quality issues. My fuel petcock fell off a week into ownership. A week!

      Here's the obligatory +/- section:

      Pros:

      - Excellent straight-line acceleration and top speed for the money. I've hit an indicated 131 km/h so far, and there's room for more.
      - Nice stability at triple digits. Calm ride up to 110 km/h, windy beyond.(this is common for all bikes)
      - Strong high beam.
      - Strong brakes, good modulation.
      - Riding position works well for me. I'm 5'9" and obese.
      - 39 km/l on highway rides, maintaining 110-115 km/h most of the time, dropping to 90 and rising to 120 occasionally.
      - Suspension hasn't bottomed out so far; main stand/exhaust rarely grounds itself.
      - Looks are a subjective issue, but most people I meet like it.

      Cons:

      - Regular Bajaj quality niggles (I also run a ten-year P150, so I've been there, faced that, lost hair, aged hard)
      - Unacceptable NVH levels for this price bracket. (Not unacceptable, but bearable, oil could be a problem)
      - Rider seat gets painful beyond the first 4-5 hours. No pillion has volunteered beyond half an hour so far. (I don't know what would you say if you have ridden on Duke )
      - The suspension is a bit too harsh for Calcutta's average roads.
      - The indicator switch is a joke. I need Hrithik Roshan's sixth finger.
      - 33 km/l in off-peak Calcutta EM Bypass traffic, including 70-80 km/h sustained runs.
      - Underwhelming low beam is a disappointing compromise between beam strength and spread. I have a feeling the P220's projector is better.
      - Atrocious turning radius; manoeuvrability in traffic sucks.
      - TVS management should be jailed for manufacturing Eurogrip tyres. Bajaj management should be shot for procuring them.
      - Engine note is a subjective issue, but it reminds me of a powerful sewing machine.(Engine note a lot better than Dukes and old gen pulsar which all sound the same, maybe you are already impressed with R15.)
      Quality wise, Bajaj needs to improve, but I'd say you get ultimately what you pay for. If the same can be sold 20-30K higher, then you might have got the KTM Duke quality from the very same Bajaj. This is a VFM product and hence we can't expect much more. If you consider the cost you paid, you wouldn't say so. Well, one can't say it "WOW", but certainly will be okay with it.
      Last edited by jbm_guy; 09-30-2015, 03:28 PM.

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      • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

        Originally posted by deebee View Post
        [MENTION=72200]xplod566[/MENTION] - my replies in bold:
        Yes change to 5100.
        No need to babysit because these are Indian manufacturers so the quality is adequate enough to long last.the only think you need to take care of change engine oil every recommended kilometers and lube chain and that's about it.anything more you do will be basically of no use.
        Yes he fixed the high beam without opening the fairing.

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        • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

          Originally posted by xplod566 View Post
          The 200NS has 3 short and 3 tall gearings.but I think KTM has all short gears?am correct.
          This is the maximum indicated speed (Please note, Collected from web)

          200NS
          1st gear – 51
          2nd gear – 71
          3rd gear – 93
          4th gear – 114
          5th gear – 132
          6th gear – Top speed (136 kph?)

          Of KTM Duke 200
          1st gear - 40km/h
          2nd gear-60km/h
          3rd gear-80km/h
          4th gear-100km/h
          5th gear-116km/h
          6th gear-Top speed (134 kph?)



          If you take a close look here, the only first gear in Duke is taller, rest all are shorter. But on the other side, Pulsar gets taller gears mostly (except 2,3) and even your 5th gear can get you to close to top speed, but Duke needs 6th gear inevitably to reach. Because of this, you can comfortably cruise at lower RPM in pulsar for the very same, KTM Duke shall be reving more which is bad for touring. Bajaj did this on purpose to make 200NS a practical machine for almost everyone and Duke for certain selected enthusiasts. With Duke, you would always feel you are riding very fast, but you actually are not. This is because of short gears which make you fell. But it is just the opposite to Pulsar. You might think you are riding slower, but you actually will be riding faster.

          After all, biking is not always 0 to 100 , But still NS manages to hit to ton under ten seconds and just about 0.8 sec more than Duke 200 (9.8 secs vs 9.01 of Duke). AS will be slightly behind and RS still a bit back. Power to weight ratio is very important here. Some guys claim that they are not able to hit to ton as said by Bajaj. Remember, a rider with 30Kg more have more drag than other rider.

          That's why drag races usually will be conducted with riders of almost same weight, fuel, etc.

          Now isn't that impressive for the given price?

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          Originally posted by xplod566 View Post
          Yes change to 5100.
          No need to babysit because these are Indian manufacturers so the quality is adequate enough to long last.the only think you need to take care of change engine oil every recommended kilometers and lube chain and that's about it.anything more you do will be basically of no use.
          Yes he fixed the high beam without opening the fairing.
          In fact, he has spent so many oil intervals. But you know what?. I just changed oil and cleaned chain and lubed only in 1st and 2nd service. Now you may call me mad, but my bike didn't need any other maintenance. Recently after 2nd service, I had to change oil to Motul and hence did clean the chain.

          So it's up to you how you keep your bike. This Pulsar is very cheap to maintain.
          Last edited by jbm_guy; 09-30-2015, 04:10 PM.

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          • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

            Originally posted by jbm_guy View Post
            This is the maximum indicated speed (Please note, Collected from web)

            200NS






            Of KTM Duke 200
            1st gear - 40km/h
            2nd gear-60km/h
            3rd gear-80km/h
            4th gear-100km/h
            5th gear-116km/h
            6th gear-Top speed (134 kph?)



            If you take a close look here, the only first gear in Duke is taller, rest all are shorter. But on the other side, Pulsar gets taller gears mostly (except 2,3) and even your 5th gear can get you to close to top speed, but Duke needs 6th gear inevitably to reach. Because of this, you can comfortably cruise at lower RPM in pulsar for the very same, KTM Duke shall be reving more which is bad for touring. Bajaj did this on purpose to make 200NS a practical machine for almost everyone and Duke for certain selected enthusiasts. With Duke, you would always feel you are riding very fast, but you actually are not. This is because of short gears which make you fell. But it is just the opposite to Pulsar. You might think you are riding slower, but you actually will be riding faster.

            After all, biking is not always 0 to 100 , But still NS manages to hit to ton under ten seconds and just about 0.8 sec more than Duke 200 (9.8 secs vs 9.01 of Duke). AS will be slightly behind and RS still a bit back. Power to weight ratio is very important here. Some guys claim that they are not able to hit to ton as said by Bajaj. Remember, a rider with 30Kg more have more drag than other rider.

            That's why drag races usually will be conducted with riders of almost same weight, fuel, etc.

            Now isn't that impressive for the given price?

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            In fact, he has spent so many oil intervals. But you know what?. I just changed oil and cleaned chain and lubed only in 1st and 2nd service. Now you may call me mad, but my bike didn't need any other maintenance. Recently after 2nd service, I had to change oil to Motul and hence did clean the chain.

            So it's up to you how you keep your bike. This Pulsar is very cheap to maintain.
            Ah you knowledge towards such things has always been spot on.yes the duke has been stressed more every time .you are right.sometimes I feel it's going slow until I see the speed.so yes taller gears are always practical and also this means not revving the engine like a duke.but I do like the fact that Duke loves to rev,and pulsar is no slouch either.
            It's pretty awesome what pulsar has to offer ,infact when the comparison is taken with Duke it even shows a better deal considering the price is offered.
            AS is +1 second slower than NS because of the added weight.

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            • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

              Originally posted by xplod566 View Post
              Ah you knowledge towards such things has always been spot on.yes the duke has been stressed more every time .you are right.sometimes I feel it's going slow until I see the speed.so yes taller gears are always practical and also this means not revving the engine like a duke.but I do like the fact that Duke loves to rev,and pulsar is no slouch either.
              It's pretty awesome what pulsar has to offer ,infact when the comparison is taken with Duke it even shows a better deal considering the price is offered.
              AS is +1 second slower than NS because of the added weight.
              Yeah, you can see the drag races in MB's drag race youtube. RS will be slower either, but post 110-120 kph, RS and AS shall have less drag than NS making them more stable on road. Duke 200 on the other hand, will be not good for high speed rides, esp because of the less weight.

              Practically speaking, sometimes I wish I drive like a duke but many times I wish I drive like a cruiser. By the way, what was your last best mileage?. I'm getting 35 in City. Though I sometimes wish to ride below 60, but I couldn't.

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              • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                Originally posted by jbm_guy View Post
                Yeah, you can see the drag races in MB's drag race youtube. RS will be slower either, but post 110-120 kph, RS and AS shall have less drag than NS making them more stable on road. Duke 200 on the other hand, will be not good for high speed rides, esp because of the less weight.

                Practically speaking, sometimes I wish I drive like a duke but many times I wish I drive like a cruiser. By the way, what was your last best mileage?. I'm getting 35 in City. Though I sometimes wish to ride below 60, but I couldn't.
                My last mileage was same 35 after the fine tune in city.but i was riding sedately.

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                • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                  Originally posted by xplod566 View Post
                  My last mileage was same 35 after the fine tune in city.but i was riding sedately.
                  Mine is around.. 38.Km/l

                  BTW.. what is time duration for second service... have crossed 1.4K

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                  • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                    Originally posted by Shrivastava Apoorv View Post
                    Mine is around.. 38.Km/l

                    BTW.. what is time duration for second service... have crossed 1.4K
                    500 then 5000 then 10000

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                    • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                      Originally posted by xplod566 View Post
                      500 then 5000 then 10000
                      Why so huge gap b/w 2 services ???

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                      • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                        At last I bought the black pulsar as 200,in the initial there was no sound but last couple of days at starting the engine, the frame create a lot of sound. Only during neutral and 1st gear... After that it doesn't make some sound... I have went to svc they said that they fixed but again it started. What to do now??? This frame sound is too much during bike starting.

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                        • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                          42 when puttering around city and highway
                          33-35 when i drive like a madman redlining in every gear [emoji16]

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                          • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                            Originally posted by Shrivastava Apoorv View Post
                            Why so huge gap b/w 2 services ???
                            1. A huge service gap means, customer will think less maintenance and buys their product
                            2. Such long gap will soon enough will wear spare parts easily and hence more service benefits for manufacturer
                            3. Bike will finally not last longer than expected and you buy new bike

                            It's that simple strategy. So, if the company says 5000 odd KMs in Bajaj crude oil, then consider you ride always <60 kph and not overload (pillion) and other conditions as well. But in reality this is not gonna happen. We all will take her to top end on highways or at least with pillion half of the ride times. So what you have to do is, cut the KM down to half. Make it once every 2500 KMs you do service. At least change engine oil and oil filter, water wash and chain clean.

                            Bajaj oil will not last more than 1500 KMs, or max 2000 KMs for our riding habits where as Motul can last a little longer. So forget the wrench alarm indication in your LCD console and never wait for it. 2500 KMs is the worst case, change it at all cost to get a smoother engine and a longer life time.

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                            Originally posted by kany1991 View Post
                            42 when puttering around city and highway
                            33-35 when i drive like a madman redlining in every gear [emoji16]
                            I can only get to 42-44 if driven <60. But that's good for you.

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                            Originally posted by khan2abdul View Post
                            At last I bought the black pulsar as 200,in the initial there was no sound but last couple of days at starting the engine, the frame create a lot of sound. Only during neutral and 1st gear... After that it doesn't make some sound... I have went to svc they said that they fixed but again it started. What to do now??? This frame sound is too much during bike starting.
                            Frame sound or vibrations?, engine mounting bolts, can you check or ask the SVC to check?.

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                            • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                              Originally posted by jbm_guy View Post
                              This is the maximum indicated speed (Please note, Collected from web)

                              200NS






                              Of KTM Duke 200
                              1st gear - 40km/h
                              2nd gear-60km/h
                              3rd gear-80km/h
                              4th gear-100km/h
                              5th gear-116km/h
                              6th gear-Top speed (134 kph?)



                              If you take a close look here, the only first gear in Duke is taller, rest all are shorter. But on the other side, Pulsar gets taller gears mostly (except 2,3) and even your 5th gear can get you to close to top speed, but Duke needs 6th gear inevitably to reach. Because of this, you can comfortably cruise at lower RPM in pulsar for the very same, KTM Duke shall be reving more which is bad for touring. Bajaj did this on purpose to make 200NS a practical machine for almost everyone and Duke for certain selected enthusiasts. With Duke, you would always feel you are riding very fast, but you actually are not. This is because of short gears which make you fell. But it is just the opposite to Pulsar. You might think you are riding slower, but you actually will be riding faster.

                              After all, biking is not always 0 to 100 , But still NS manages to hit to ton under ten seconds and just about 0.8 sec more than Duke 200 (9.8 secs vs 9.01 of Duke). AS will be slightly behind and RS still a bit back. Power to weight ratio is very important here. Some guys claim that they are not able to hit to ton as said by Bajaj. Remember, a rider with 30Kg more have more drag than other rider.

                              That's why drag races usually will be conducted with riders of almost same weight, fuel, etc.

                              Now isn't that impressive for the given price?

                              ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----



                              In fact, he has spent so many oil intervals. But you know what?. I just changed oil and cleaned chain and lubed only in 1st and 2nd service. Now you may call me mad, but my bike didn't need any other maintenance. Recently after 2nd service, I had to change oil to Motul and hence did clean the chain.

                              So it's up to you how you keep your bike. This Pulsar is very cheap to maintain.
                              Ns/As goes up to 126 in 5th gear
                              Not 132 [emoji6]

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                              • Re: Pulsar AS 200 Owners Review and Experiences

                                Originally posted by kany1991 View Post
                                Ns/As goes up to 126 in 5th gear
                                Not 132 [emoji6]
                                mmm, maybe. But could that be Indicated speed ?. Not sure, because anything post 120 seems unpredictable due to wind's roll. Couldn't exactly predict.

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