joshi jee

as far as my knowledge and experience goes , you can very easily shift the gears up without using clutch.. it will be damn smooth, except for shifting from neutral to first.. saves the clutch plate also..so you can very easily shift from frist to second and third and so on without the clutch plate burning due to lower gears..you can try in GS too without using clutch ...... only in cars you wil find difficult to shift the gears witout clutch....

but the real trouble comes when you shift down.. there will be huge jerks when shifting without clutch.. but with practice you can do the same too by lowering the engine speed...

Dhiwakar jee,
By doing the above thing,you are hurting the gear levers & they will wear out much sooner than expected.The operation of the clutch is to disengage the moving gear & jump to a new one.If you do not use the clutch there will be a jerk will up shifting also & down shifting will be more jerks.I have tried this on my chetak & had a good spanking from dad riding like that & damaging the gears.So its always better to avoid this & do anything this kind of which can damage your bike.

Rest it all depends on you as to how you want to ride your bike.

Just correct me if I am wrong on the above post.

An update about my loan. I took a 30,000rs. loan by Kothrud Suzuki suggestion, by Family Credit Bank. As per the manager who explained me the loan, it was a 0% loan for 18 months with 3100rs processing charge. So as per him, the EMI will be 30,000/18 = 1667Rs. However, when I got a call today from FamilyCredit welcoming me as customer, they quoted my EMI of 1957! That indicates interest rate of 13%, barring the processing charge of more than 10%. Now this is really rediculous. They said that I will be getting the details of loan and interest rate etc in Welcome letter, which I am yet to get. The Kothrud Suzuki manager was out of office today, he is supposed to answer this tomorrow.

I'll keep the forum updated about this matter. Wish me luck.

another proud gs owner

Hi all,

My GS (candy bluish-green) is now home

wished to share my experience till now with all of you:

Dealership experience:
Bought the bike from ABT suzuki, nandanam, chennai. Polite and knowledgeable sales staff. Also efficient. Got delivery on the date promised. Allowed me to take 2 TDs on the bike the first time I visited them - a key factor in helping me choose this bike. Me n my wife landed up at the dealer at 6:30pm yday. The bike was gleaming and ready. Quickly took an initial TD and settled to wait for the registration. The number came at about 7pm, and we left the dealer at about 7:45 with our new GS, after having the number pasted on the vehicle.

Looks/Style
I feel that pictures somehow dont do justice to this vehicle. The bike does have a presence on the road. The large petrol tank looks good, and so does the front and rear light treatment. I find the rear LED / integrated indicator cluster the best among current bikes. Howerver, the overall look conveys solidity, more than sportiness, which is fine for me !

Driving Experience
My odo has clocked 100km now. Comments as below:

First the negatives:
1. poor rear brakes. need to ask the SC to fix this. found that front brake usage is compulsory, which will take a little getting used to since i am a rear brake person
2. poor headlights- did abt 40 km in the night yday. Didnt find the lights up to the mark. Will change them to the 35W philips as recommended by other users, shortly.

positives :
1. riding positions. comfortable for driver/pillion both
2. inspite of weight, you cant feel it when it starts moving. good handling both at low speeds, as well as feels planted at 60-70kph also
3. gearbox very smooth. found the heel shifter very convenient
4. engine quite refined. couldnt really feel the 3.5k vibes that everyone is talking abt yet. cruising on this bike really a pleasure.
5.dashboard cluster very well laid out - classy and functional. Quite bright and easy to read in the sun as well as at night

Cant wait till my first service to check out the full potential of this bike.. till then though 4.5k rpm it shall be

Cheers!
srini

joshijee

i can assure you 100% that there will be no jerks if you upshift rightly without using clutch.. dont know about chetak or any other scooters.. in any bike without using clutch upshifting is possible.. but downshifting would require lot of practice....

Regarding clutch usage when shifting gears

Dear all
pls find the below link .. note the mention about clutch

Shell in India - Tips for Bikers

have been driving various geared vehicles for the last 10yrs.. this has turned all my concepts on their head !!

cant help but agree with imjoshee on this, including the dad part .

@Dhiwakar
my suggestion is that you use the clutch for the purpose for which it has been provided on the vehicle for best results, and longevity of engine.

can any1 guide me /suggest my queries.......

sir

iam not disputing anybody here or to turn concepts upside down... iam sharing my experience .. as told earlier, i ride my father's 1964 bullet also regularly(started learning to ride a bike when i was in 7th standard.. now iam 31)my first two wheeler training was in the same bullet... following the same method.. bullet is more fussy and delicate... no problem in bullet even....but car is a different issue.. your gears would get jammed ....

btw.. did you read the link ??? my guess is that shell will not give out wrong comments.. they are in the lubrication industry and would have thorough knowledge of the moving parts...

1. put your center stand and try to rotate the wheel in reverse and check the sound coming from which place, if you feel difficult to rotate which means that you tightened your brake(will reduce your mileage to an extent)... loose it if required

2. neutral indicator blinking: this is new... never heard of it... check it with service guys as soon as possible

3. vibration in sixth gear check this too... with service guys

4. Dont drive under 3000rpm till first service.

5. same... you can drive 20kmph till 3rd gear... 20kmph in 2nd gear will produce jerks when you rise or reduce the throttle.

6. 20kmph in 6th is impossible. 45+ in 6th is best... they are just fooling you.

7. I am not sure about engine guard... It has decent ground clearance, dont worry about speed breakers. Engine should be exposed well to release the heat.

Hi Dhiwakar,

Do check this bike thread out - useful discussion around the same topic. Have done a little googling also, and as far as I could see, no-one recommends changing gears without using the clutch (for manual transmission vehicles).. Except I guess sometimes for bike racing, since clutch pressing is a waste of time no doubt

All Things Motorcycle - Shifting without Clutching

Rest is up to you bro.. I for one have no intention of doing clutchless shifts in the near future, especially on my brand new GS!

Not sure why shell is recommending clutchless shifts..

Senior xbhpians, any views on this ?

Cheers!
Srini

PWR/ ECO modes

Does the pwr/ eco mode selection have any impact on the pickup ?

I felt the bike to be more free revving in the PWR mode.. or is it my imagination?

regds
Srini

bullet and GS are different class... further i think your bullet had partially engaged clutch(clutch slip in fully engaged position) which reduced the jerks while engaging the gears.

and Race bikes are designed considering riders easiness, so they provide some tolerance for clutchless riding. further race bikes have short life as you know.

But still anyone want to have a clutchless ride, then buy HERO HONDA STREET in second hand market

I would still advice you not to follow this atleast for 1600kms.

how starter help in moving vehicle... as it wont work if clutch is not pressed

WoW! That was fast...
As i always mention, Suzuki People are very cooperative and concerned about their customers...
Do remember to cooperate and be friendly with them, they will offer u the best service