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  • Re: Showroom query

    Originally posted by roamer19 View Post

    As per their email (copy pasted below), they sold it. My email to them was about inquiring if they have the TD bike available or not.

    ...
    Dear Sir- We recently sold our test drive vehicle and do not have one now, we expect to get the new one in February.


    With Warm Regards,
    Nine Star Suzuki
    +91 80 49063333

    Sent from Windows Mail
    Thank you. There was this idea that Test-Drive vehicles were not being sold.
    Last edited by SparKot; 11-20-2014, 07:31 PM.
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    • Re: Showroom query

      Originally posted by SparKot View Post
      Thank you. There was idea that Test-Drive vehicles were not being sold.
      Oh! yes, now I remember reading about the same....discussions were going on in page 18xx I think.

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      • Re: Showroom query

        [MENTION=36366]SparKot[/MENTION] I am going to check for the points you mentioned earlier in the thread for the problem of bike engine dying at idle.

        Meanwhile I was also looking for steps for GS150R full DC conversion. Excellent step-by-step procedure found in OP thanks to @gmagesh14.
        All credits to him, I have made a pdf with his photos for those of you who want to go for DC conversion.

        Please find the pdf here: GS150R FULL DC Conversion Steps with Pics

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        • Re: Showroom query

          Originally posted by rsk_kelkar View Post
          ...
          Please find the pdf here: GS150R FULL DC Conversion Steps with Pics
          You can ask a moderator to add this link as a compilation of Magesh's work, an easy single download.

          Edit: I've a copy in PPT(15.5 MB) too, I guess Magesh shared it with us.
          Last edited by SparKot; 11-25-2014, 03:25 PM.
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          • Re: Showroom query

            Originally posted by rsk_kelkar View Post
            Meanwhile I was also looking for steps for GS150R full DC conversion. Excellent step-by-step procedure found in OP thanks to @gmagesh14.
            All credits to him, I have made a pdf with his photos for those of you who want to go for DC conversion.

            Please find the pdf here: GS150R FULL DC Conversion Steps with Pics
            Originally posted by SparKot View Post
            You can ask a moderator to add this link as a compilation of Magesh's work, an easy single download.
            Added link to the first post of this thread.
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            • This can't be true

              Hello All, Came across this page while browsing the web. I'm not an expert at all, but is it even 1% correct what the user "GAGAN" has posted in the link below? I think the guy is nuts, or am I missing something?

              What are gear shift speeds for powerful acceleration?

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              • Suzuki GS150R Mileage problem

                Hi to all techies...

                I have recently (4 months back) purchased a used GS150R (2009 model) which was 17000 Km driven by first owner. Everything seems to be perfect in that bike except mileage, what I have observed is, I get only 30 Kmpl against 45-50 kmpl which is claimed by SVC guys and other fellow guys owning same bike.

                I have asked SVC guys and they did some carbon cleaning from exhaust and assured me that I will get some increase in mileage. But unfortunately it proved wrong .

                In a second visit and upon my complaining they did carburetor cleaning and tuned it for mileage but still nothing has changed

                Do any of you techies know what should be done in order to solve this ?

                (I would not mind answering your questions if you need to understand this more in details)

                Thanks in advance...

                (to moderator: pardon me if I have re-posted this)

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                • Re: Carb screw jammed

                  Originally posted by SparKot View Post
                  Well, there is nothing new that you can't guess. With little hands-on I can only guess the below:

                  1. Increase the warm idle-rpm to 1,600 & see if it sustains idling. What's the idle-rpm during cold-start and after warm-up? At cold or warm start engine rpm is never constant it keeps moving as if I am pulling and leaving the throttle at regular intervals. So not possible to tell rpm at idle. Also I noticed that when I turn the handle the rpm varies again. This made me think whether it is something wrong with the choke cable. Please tell me if your rpm varies if you move the choke cable by hand near the carburettor coz mine does.
                  2. What's the condition of Air-Filter & when was it last cleaned. Hope they did during servicing. Check the status of air-filter, esp damages. Checked the filter during last service it was fine
                  3. What's the condition of spark-plug & how old is it? Sparkplug is 15k km old. But I checked it and it is not showing any bad signs. Checked for black suit or white powder. No such symptom.
                  4. Check if choke is working as expected. Start the engine with choke on and notice engine idling at higher RPM. Close the choke slowly and notice falling RPMs to idle-value. Yes this works fine. But also see my answer to 1. I dont know if this is normal.
                  5. Pilot air & fuel circuit may be congested. Since it's only 15 days since new-carburettor you can't rule out fuel contamination. Do you trust the fuel source, i.e. petrol bunk? Since I bought the bike I have always filled petrol from same source.
                  6. How old is the engine-oil ? Engine oil is right now 3k km old(Castrol 20w40)
                  7. Is the rubber-flange(clamp) between carburettor & engine-inlet is firm and no leakage? I am not sure about this. In my previous carburetor that i got replacement for the rubber diaphram was damaged as said by the mechanic.


                  It just that engine has to sustain an RPM in neutral gear with a feasible AFR while working against minute clutch friction. Think of anything/everything which can hinder this process.

                  Clutch-friction in Neutral while idling: put the bike on centre stand notice the speed of rear-wheel. I don't have any theory as to why rear wheel has to spin.

                  Owners with more hands-on experience can narrow down to the cause very quickly.

                  Further to all my above answers, I took bike to SVC as I didnt get time to actually look into the issue. They tuned carburettor (AFR screw was tuned too) with a machine (something with a pipe that goes into silencer normally found in PUC centers). This was used to measure CO, HC etc and tune AFR screw accordingly.
                  My observations after above mentioned tuning.
                  1) Engine feels very smooth. I used to feel little hesitance in 3k rpm range. That is gone now. The reason for that I suspect is point 2 below.
                  2) When I accelerate hard with bike on main stand, rpm drops to about 4k quiet fast(which looks normal) but rpm drops very slowly from 4k onwards. I will soon upload a video of this. I remember reading some one report the same issue quiet recently on this same forum. I will try to search about it.
                  3) Haven't measured mileage yet. Will report about it soon.
                  4) Sometimes when I stop on road rpm keeps running high as if I have pulled the choke even though I actually haven't.
                  5) The original problem of bike engine dying at low rpm still persists. Point 4 happens rarely.

                  Another update about 3.5k rpm vibration due to resonance. I saw that Gixxer comes with a rubber washer to its silencer. So I have ordered a pair of those. Currently I am using pulsar washers by cutting it as shown in your post earlier. No vibs at all at 3.5k.

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                  • Re: Carb screw jammed

                    Originally posted by rsk_kelkar View Post
                    Further to all my above answers, I took bike to SVC as I didnt get time to actually look into the issue. They tuned carburettor (AFR screw was tuned too) with a machine (something with a pipe that goes into silencer normally found in PUC centers). This was used to measure CO, HC etc and tune AFR screw accordingly.
                    I presume SVC personnel did it @ idle rpm, Engine didn't stall during the whole process?
                    What were readings on the exhaust gas analyser? HC, CO, CO2 etc

                    Oh, yes RPM needle fluctuates ever so lightly during idling; that's normal. Choke seems to be alright. Clutch even when disengaged or in neutral transfer negligible amount of power to constant mesh tranny.

                    You might want to change engine-oil and esp spark-plug(NGK-CPR7HSA). Spark plug's surface erodes over time, however insignificant.

                    Originally posted by rsk_kelkar View Post
                    ...
                    2) When I accelerate hard with bike on main stand, rpm drops to about 4k quiet fast(which looks normal) but rpm drops very slowly from 4k onwards. I will soon upload a video of this. I remember reading some one report the same issue quiet recently on this same forum.

                    Can we take it as a sign for a leak around inlet, the rubber flange between carburettor & inlet?


                    I remember someone suggesting to spray water on/around inlet using a hand-spray and observe RPMs. If there is a leak around inlet RPMs would fall due to moisture in AFR.

                    And something worth watching:

                    Last edited by SparKot; 11-25-2014, 05:40 AM.
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                    • Re: Carb screw jammed

                      Originally posted by SparKot View Post
                      I presume SVC personnel did it @ idle rpm, Engine didn't stall during the whole process?
                      What were readings on the exhaust gas analyser? HC, CO, CO2 etc

                      The SVC I go usually does not have this analyzer. So I had gone to main Suzuki SVC of Goa (Margao) where I couldn't really interact with the SVC guys. So I could only see what was going on through a transparent glass. So can't tell what the readings were.

                      Oh, yes RPM needle fluctuates ever so lightly during idling; that's normal. Choke seems to be alright. Clutch even when disengaged or in neutral transfer negligible amount of power to constant mesh tranny.

                      Yeah it used to fluctuate very lightly earlier. But if the range of this fluctuation is of the order of 300-400 rpm I would think something is wrong.

                      You might want to change engine-oil and esp spark-plug(NGK-CPR7HSA). Spark plug's surface erodes over time, however insignificant.

                      I am going to change spark-plug and engine oil next for next service.


                      Can we take it as a sign for a leak around inlet, the rubber flange between carburettor & inlet?


                      I remember someone suggesting to spray water on/around inlet using a hand-spray and observe RPMs. If there is a leak around inlet RPMs would fall due to moisture in AFR.

                      Yeah you are right. Later after tuning carb the SVC guy mentioned that the screw was loose hence air was leaking out at idle. He said he fixed it tight now.
                      Another thing I remembered, I had posted here about the bike swaying to right. In the last service I got the front fork oil changed. Now the swaying to right is still there but considerably less. SVC guy mentioned the springs were gone. So next servicing I am going to replace that too. Can you suggest a good quality fork oil? The last time they used some local brand "Platina" fork oil.

                      BTW nice find of that video. I wanted to understand how actually the gear shift works. I had known how gear shifts on a bicycle and I used to wonder definitely bike wouldn't have such simple mechanism. I know I would sound silly with that statement
                      Last edited by rsk_kelkar; 11-25-2014, 09:27 AM.

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                      • Re: Carb screw jammed

                        Originally posted by rsk_kelkar View Post
                        ... In the last service I got the front fork oil changed. Now the swaying to right is still there but considerably less. Can you suggest a good quality fork oil? The last time they used some local brand "Platina" fork oil.
                        I used Motul 20w Fork-Oil, it was cheap too for a 350ml bottle. Note: 145 ml for each fork.
                        Blog - Suzuki GS150R Fork Oil Change

                        First month after replacement it wasn't that impressive; now it is superb. I'm still stuck with cone-set replacement/replenishment; just sleeping on it for few months now!!!

                        There are other oils discussed over here: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/universa...fork-oils.html

                        Originally posted by rsk_kelkar View Post
                        SVC guy mentioned the springs were gone. So next servicing I am going to replace that too.
                        Springs are gone!, call it a mechanic's hunch based on experience or a wild guess. I leave that to you to decide.

                        However, as per service-manual ---- Fork Spring Free Length : 438.1 mm
                        Nevertheless, I'm not sure if length alone should be used to validate spring condition. Some kind of load testing(say 20 kg) should give out a better picture.
                        Originally posted by rsk_kelkar View Post
                        ... I know I would sound silly with that statement
                        We are not born with knowledge, we pick it up along the way. I forget a lot, if that is any lead for comebacks.
                        Last edited by SparKot; 11-25-2014, 04:50 PM.
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                        • Re: Suzuki GS150R

                          Guys I need some help... Can I use ordinary grease for brake caliper will it case any serious damage ?

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                          • Re: Suzuki GS150R

                            Originally posted by speed deamon View Post
                            Guys I need some help... Can I use ordinary grease for brake caliper will it case any serious damage?
                            Yes, normal grease(dino oil based - petroleum extract) will degrade rubber quality over time & make it useless. More than that, normal grease melts & flow out of rubber boot since calliper heats up pretty quick during day-to-day riding.



                            Look for Silicone based grease or get some Caliper-Grease sachets from Maruti-Suzuki authorised spares distributor.
                            Last edited by SparKot; 11-25-2014, 09:23 PM.
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                            • Re: Suzuki GS150R

                              I tried for caliper grease but no where I could find all are saying you can use all purpose grease and wheel bearing grease for the job

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                              Last edited by speed deamon; 11-25-2014, 10:05 PM.
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                              • Re: This can't be true

                                Originally posted by roamer19 View Post
                                Hello All, Came across this page while browsing the web. I'm not an expert at all, but is it even 1% correct what the user "GAGAN" has posted in the link below? I think the guy is nuts, or am I missing something?
                                You are right, he is nuts. He is confusing this engine that generates torque at low RPM with something that needs considerable revving and generates power at very high RPM. Riding till 39kmph in 1st gear is daydream and a dangerous one at that, both for engine as well as the rider.

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