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**nageswer** · 06-28-2010, 09:05 AM

@Anupdas,It is optimum riding methods..........(which most of us follow,thanks to xbhp...and guyz like you for suggestions) like riding in eco mode preferably 50 to 60 kmph/3500 to 4500rpm,not accelerating fastly,switching off at signals and t/jams and idling the engine for 1 min at initial start ups.not to mention the settings made by servicemen(may be in next service they might adjust it for worst mileage

...cannot believe these guyz consistency skills

)apart from it i am filing fuel before 7am and that too a trusted Indian oil bunk.....increased tyre air pressure slightly to 27 and 35(but i must be careful especially in this slippery season... thinking of sticking to 25/33.) and this may be not important....incase of heavy air resistance...will try to be behind vehicles at safe distance.......

Any other methods please suggest....

**nageswer** · 06-28-2010, 09:19 AM

I too facing the same prob.........The idle is not withstanding 1500..it falls immediatly below 1000rpm and the engine is off....i have to choke and kick to wake up my gs from hibernation

But what i have understood is...during summer season it was not a prob..the first start was easy with two or three kicks at max.....but now in rainy days as the temp drooped..it seems the 20w40 oil creats these probs..

I request guyz with 10w40/15w40/5w40 engine oils mail down their first start up experience...

**MSN1** · 06-28-2010, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by nageswer View Post

I too facing the same prob.........The idle is not withstanding 1500..it falls immediatly below 1000rpm and the engine is off....i have to choke and kick to wake up my gs from hibernation

But what i have understood is...during summer season it was not a prob..the first start was easy with two or three kicks at max.....but now in rainy days as the temp drooped..it seems the 20w40 oil creats these probs..

I request guyz with 10w40/15w40/5w40 engine oils mail down their first start up experience...

Hi

Earlier couple of months back I switched to castrol power 1 15W-40 after facing the above said issue currently my bike is fine no cold start issue either kicker or self start both works fine even at 6 am;
now I got AGIP mineral 20W- 40 oil :

going to use it from 5th july
Will update you if my GS gives any surprise :

**Anupdas** · 06-28-2010, 11:41 AM

@ Nageswar

I just asked to know you riding style, everyone have their unique style

. A friend of mine always pull the clutch while going on downhill says this will increase the mileage

. But I dont think it will make a difference to mileage. Don't worry about cold starts, ours is a lot better than Unicorn. Here is a good method.

Always kick start at mornings.Keep the engine kill on or ignition key off, kick 2-3 times slowly. This will make oil rise to the top of the cylinder. Then turn off engine kill and turn on the ignition. The engine will start in first kick itself with zero throttle. I follow this method and never needed to apply choke.

The reason for this method is that our engine is mounted vertical unlike HeroHonda's horizontal engine, which always have oil all time. It will take some time for oil to reach every essential parts. 2-3 kicks will make oil circulate and engine can run stress free. On idling for half a minute engine will be fine. I fear applying choke will reduce fuel economy by great extend.

**nageswer** · 06-28-2010, 12:04 PM

the method you told was followed by me some time back......but it didn't gave the desired start you mentioned. Hence started to first kick start for five to six...and try to start...if not i will choke and start the engine..than immediately the choke is offed...........

But i will give another try....lets see how it responds.

Regarding the mileage..i actually know that you are familiar with all the methods mentioned

...but want to know if there are any.....furthur methods that i donot know but as senior guyz you know....

**Kiran_GS150R** · 06-28-2010, 12:28 PM

After oil change..

Guys the Motul oil is really superb...
as i we know we almost get vibes on 3500rpm...
today when i was driving ma bike.. i realise that the vibes on 3500 rpm for 4th gear onwords are just vanished...
and giving a feel of smothness...
as after 1st servicing i started to open throttel while riding the bike; i can feel the increase in pick up as well....
but definitely the smoothness of the bike is increased.. and gear shift is also... very smooth..
thanks to you guys ... because of your guidance i made a right decision to switch to Motul...

I am not facing any cold start issue with ma bike...
i always use the kick start in early morning and the bike starts within 1 or 2 kicks...

cheers,
Kiran...

**MACH50** · 06-28-2010, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by Kiran_GS150R View Post

thanks to you guys ... because of your guidance i made a right decision to switch to Motul...
cheers,
Kiran...

You are welcome Kiran........

Enjoy the bike.
My love for my GSR is true.....it will always rule the Indian roads,its destined to do so.

**Anupdas** · 06-28-2010, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by nageswer View Post

the method you told was followed by me some time back......but it didn't gave the desired start you mentioned. Hence started to first kick start for five to six...and try to start...if not i will choke and start the engine..than immediately the choke is offed...........

But i will give another try....lets see how it responds.

That method really works and i have been following that method for past 5 months

. When we idle the engine we can notice a sudden sudden change in sound when it idles for 2-3 seconds, I assume its because of the oil circulation

. The initial sound comes from camshaft which is in topmost position and when it gets proper lub engine becomes very silent and ready to rock...........

Regarding the mileage..i actually know that you are familiar with all the methods mentioned

...but want to know if there are any.....furthur methods that i donot know but as senior guyz you know....

I have shared everything I know. I always try to use minimum clutch,unnecessary gear shifts and sudden acceleration. There is also a method that i used with success. I have tried fine tuning carb by myself.

**akfara** · 06-28-2010, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Anupdas View Post

Abdul Bhai it will be waste of fuel if you leave choke fully open for half a min. Manual suggests to use choke on cold starts. They have said clearly to turn the choke to full position and once the bike starts, reduce the choke to a quarter and let it run idle for a minute. And make sure to close the choke before riding.

thanks bro, i forgot to mention here is what u said is what i did.....

but even quarter choke will lead to wastage of fuel???????

**Anupdas** · 06-28-2010, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by akfara View Post

thanks bro, i forgot to mention here is what u said is what i did.....

but even quarter choke will lead to wastage of fuel???????

Yeah thats true we need to feel the engine and reduce the choke as much as we can. I just wanted to say a rough value hence said quarter choke.

**MSN1** · 06-28-2010, 01:59 PM

My GS odo is close to 3500 kms

Till this time I used chock twice on both the time I didn't used GS for a week

This morning got a call from best friend have to catch him at bangalore east station before 6:15 am it was already 5 am, woke up my sweet horse Aka GS,
she comes to life silently
Reached old madras road no traffic give full throttle
After crossing she ill became a beast speeding passed 100 while I was close to the top of cable bridge speedo reads 110 kmph but throttle says she has some more speed in it seems GS is capable of attaining 125 kmph cool down her a bit

At high speed their was no vibe at all she was very stable but the silencer produces some sort of grunt sound yeah that also sounds sweet for me till reaching station was on close to 80 kmph speed even turning and breaking is good

Reached early to station I never thought she will go this fast and this time she reminds my Ex.sweethorse RX100

**Amitine** · 06-28-2010, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Anupdas View Post

@ Nageswar

Always kick start at mornings.Keep the engine kill on or ignition key off, kick 2-3 times slowly. This will make oil rise to the top of the cylinder. Then turn off engine kill and turn on the ignition. The engine will start in first kick itself with zero throttle. I follow this method and never needed to apply choke.

The reason for this method is that our engine is mounted vertical unlike HeroHonda's horizontal engine, which always have oil all time. It will take some time for oil to reach every essential parts. 2-3 kicks will make oil circulate and engine can run stress free. On idling for half a minute engine will be fine. I fear applying choke will reduce fuel economy by great extend.

Ditto to that

I have been following the same start-up process to the amusement of my roommates and for the same reason

...

Startup bike with 5 kicks on engine OFF & Fuel OFF
Engine & Fuel ON with 0 choke and with 1st starter it starts...
Give slight acceleration to maintain engine RPM a ~1.5K for ~2 mins...
(No choke required)

Glide away slowly with <3K Rpm in all gears for another 2 mins...

START blasting with gear change at 1st blip (4.5K RPM ECO) and Vrrooom

But I still do feel downshifts at 3.5K is high

I have always done gliding downshifts at ~2K rpm with no sound/roughness and also rapid 6-2 in ~2secs...The gearshift is very precise ...only downer could be its gear lever play...a bit too deep

The apache & FZ have less gear play whereas Stunner & P135 have a deep play...

BTW am right now holidaying (my last day) in ernakulam...going today back to chennai to work

...But then GS is waiting to be blasted there

**akfara** · 06-28-2010, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Anupdas View Post

Yeah thats true we need to feel the engine and reduce the choke as much as we can. I just wanted to say a rough value hence said quarter choke.

this cold starts happen only after i change engine oil from castrol power 1 15w 40 to Gulf 4T PLUS 20w 40.......

My idle Rpm shows 1400 after 10 minute of ride.......
My mech told me not to change air filter and spark plug and telling they are fine no need to replace now as i told him as per manual we have to replace...
Mine 11800km on odo , shall i change both? on next service?

**Anupdas** · 06-28-2010, 02:33 PM

@ Amitine

Good to know that many are following method. Like you said my friends too give me a look what a poor bike you have, so much kicking to start.

The reason why i shifts down below 3.5K is because I feel a strange roughness in engine in 3.5K - 4K range. I know its engine resonance and also the visor makes a noise at that range. So downshifts just before it reduces to 3.5K which will rise rpm above 4K and usually will have enough power to keep the rpm steady. Im confidently saying this since bike is giving mileage of 53 with pillion and riding above 60 all time in city conditions and occasional blasting to 80's in power mode.

**Amitine** · 06-28-2010, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by MSN1 View Post

My GS odo is close to 3500 kms

Till this time I used chock twice on both the time I didn't used GS for a week

This morning got a call from best friend have to catch him at bangalore east station before 6:15 am it was already 5 am, woke up my sweet horse Aka GS,
she comes to life silently
Reached old madras road no traffic give full throttle
After crossing she ill became a beast speeding passed 100 while I was close to the top of cable bridge speedo reads 110 kmph but throttle says she has some more speed in it seems GS is capable of attaining 125 kmph cool down her a bit

At high speed their was no vibe at all she was very stable but the silencer produces some sort of grunt sound yeah that also sounds sweet for me till reaching station was on close to 80 kmph speed even turning and breaking is good

Reached early to station I never thought she will go this fast and this time she reminds my Ex.sweethorse RX100

On my Off days I take my bike early in the morning (~6 AM) to chennai beach road and blast...
Believe me guys there is nothing more exhilarating(with our current level of motorcycling) than blasting GS at 100 km/h in early dawn and upshifts at 5K RPm

ANd then having coffee at a roadside vendor

I may not believe the 0-60 acc. figures in many mags as I do think its acceleration is not as fast as other similar spec bikes...

But i will surely believe the fact that it has the Best in-Gear acceleration (3+

)...

And thats precisely why i always felt Karizma as one of the best indian bikes...May not be the fastest...buts its a complete bike (cruize around on long trips...shoot out at higher speeds...feel coccooned

and safe ) Just like the GS...
Cheerio

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