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**Anupam Das** · 04-24-2018, 11:08 PM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

Originally posted by MotoBlizzard

Sure sure, great comeback

Ride safe, dont let EVAP hold you from filling decent amount of fuel in your tank.

I have never filled my Hornet tankful as I am aware of RE owners having problems in filling tankful.
For safety you should always leave some space for fuel to expand.
I fill atleast of 500 bucks.

**anuran_hornet** · 04-24-2018, 11:11 PM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

Originally posted by Anupam Das View Post

No. SVC did not clean the strainer during first service. In fact they refused to clean the strainer as according to them it isn't needed till clutch plate replacement and when they were told that it was mentioned in the owner's manual they told me that it was meaningless. At 11k plus km also they did not seem interested to open the clutch cover. Honda Service Centres are only interested in Activa.
How the scratch marks occurred l have no idea, certainly not done by me. As far as my knowledge is concerned, the clutch cover is opened for the first time and that too by me since buying my Hornet.

Same experience with me...the SVC guys don't seem interested to clean the oil filter.They did not do it in the first service nor they did it in my 3rd service.Lets see if they agree to do it on my first paid service.

**Anupam Das** · 04-24-2018, 11:40 PM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

Originally posted by anuran_hornet View Post

Same experience with me...the SVC guys don't seem interested to clean the oil filter.They did not do it in the first service nor they did it in my 3rd service.Lets see if they agree to do it on my first paid service.

That's why I decided to give it a try and did it successfully, much better than ASC guys. It is not difficult at all provided you have the tools and the will. Some experience\expertise will be bonus.
SVC\ASC guys work is pathetic. After the 1st service engine oil was leaking through the drain bolt\gasket which I fixed myself by simply replacing the gasket. Thereafter I did not avail the free\paid services.

**anoopkumar0** · 04-25-2018, 11:01 AM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

Okey there are lots of heated argument.
I think I would reply to original answer only.

1. Q: How to check fuel economy You can use brim to brim, Full tank or Reserve to Reserve whatever suites you. Idea is how do you know of accurate filling.
problem with F to F tank, not sure about what is full tank. Is it till brim or fill it till cap? Certainly filling till cap is not advisable. Since FI systems doen't have physical knob, people have no option but to use Full Tank / Brim to Brim whichever suites them.
We have physical fuel knob for hornet similar to following picture. Using reserve know gives mostly accurate, as suggested by manual. (electronic indicator don't give accurate result). Best to take average of more than 3 fills.

How do I calculate: I check the reading at reserve and then ask petrol guy for full tank usually 9-10 liter, whenever the fuel dispenser hang off. On next reserve I check the reading again.

2. Q: Getting maximum mileage: , high gear and low speed. Simply lowest throttle at given speed. More throttle means more fuel sprayed into carburetor. if you put 5th gear in 25Kmph you have to throttle more to avoid engine stall. General funda is speed between 45-60 in 5th gear.
I see fellows telling it's performance bike however, the question is not about getting maximum acceleration which would be best on shifting at 6.5k rpm. Many People want ride on comfortable speed.
Let say you are deserted in Rajasthan and hit the reserve. You have no idea if you will get petrol within 100Km, would you like to go for 90Kmph "The performance bike" (<40Km/liter) or drive at 55-60Kmph (>50Km/liter). Don't argue that there is no way in Rajasthan you will not find a fuel station within 100km.

**unik** · 04-25-2018, 03:59 PM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

To whomsoever it may concern: Please don't hold onto what you think is right. Be open to new info and atleast verify the info before attacking the idea.
Regarding fuel efficiency, I am getting 49-51kmpl consistently over last 6 months as per my records of fuel filling. The bike runs 200+ kilometers for every 4 ltr fuel. I am happy with this figures so I'm not doing anything to change it. ( Like a more sedate or enthusiastic ride)
Thanks Anupam Das, ashwanth.r and anoopkumar0 for useful and logical ideas. Some points to mention are,
There is a fuel petcock in carb bikes. So one doesn't have to rely on reserve indicator on the console like the last bar blinking or something. This is accurate provided the bike is in level ground.
If you are mentioning the nozzle in fuel stations, then the auto shutoff feature in fuel dispenser depends on the placement of the nozzle, volume of fuel tank, etc as it relies on air pressure/vacuum. It is there only to prevent spillage and is not accurate to indicate tank full or fuel quantity. It has a lot of flaws but doing what it is meant for.
"For maximum fuel efficiency, if you want it, ride the bike at the least 'possible' and 'healthy' rpm/speed at the highest possible gear"(sic). Targeting for 6500 rpm is performance oriented. The bike easily pulls at 4.5k rpm in 5th gear at normal conditions.
Hornet is not 'the performance bike' like CBR 150R or R15 ( which are performance oriented and the respective companies are using them in tracks with mods). But there is nothing wrong in demanding maximum fuel efficiency or performance from a 160cc 'commuter-friendly' bike and it doesn't make you a lesser human.
There are a lot of 'bodies' in 'except India' 'with common sense' treating 'performance bikes' like 'babies' without selling those bikes for Bajaj Platina or TVS Sport and getting unusually good FE among fellow users.
From my experience (debatable) riding a bike is connected to your mind. If you have that peace of mind while riding, then most probably everything is working well.

**Duke1990** · 04-26-2018, 04:19 PM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

Originally posted by meeraj_xplore View Post

So, I just received the Iridium Spark Plug which I ordered couple of days back. Initially installed the Twin Head Spark Plug which TVS sells for their Apache 160/180 but using it for a week the performance didn't seem to be increased by any means so thought of going with the Iridium one.

NGK CPR8EAIX-9 (Online link can be found under the Description of the Video).

Below is comparison video for Spark Plug I've used so far,

https://youtu.be/eRGsBGUwyeo

Also you can compare the Copper one with the Iridium yourself (Note: I'm changing the Spark Plug after almost 2+ years of usage and 17000+ on ODO, Also I've Fully Synthetic oil inside my engine ... So performance may slightly differ in your case).

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Conclusion: Minor knocking issues related with engine can be easily solved plus more performance on the go with good milage (obviously Because complete combustion as compared to before) and Oh Boy the engine feels like it has just left the factory.

If you've ₹650 to spend on improving the performance of your Bike, Definitely go for it.

yesterday i fitted the new spark plug (Iradium) brought from Amazon for 646/- rode 60 Kms till now... the engine beating sound is smooth.. no tick tick sound from engine... smooth throttle ... the previous sparkplug has become totally dark i mean carbon was all over it.... now the self start switch doesn't need to be pressed twice... and the ignition is full... changed the sparkplug at 17868 Kms... will update about fuel economy... till now getting 48 to 50 kmpl.... as i ride very sanely, always below 6k rpm, engine oil is CBR 250r engine oil (synthetic) done 1500 kms in this engine oil... bt in jharkhand the summer heat is too much like already 40 degrees in April... my engine gets heated up soon not too much mt yes significantly .... previously was using 300V 10w40... sud i change the engine oil and when ?

**MotoBlizzard** · 04-26-2018, 07:07 PM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

Originally posted by unik View Post

It is there only to prevent spillage and is not accurate to indicate tank full or fuel quantity. It has a lot of flaws but doing what it is meant for.

Mention the flaws.

Also if the nozzle shuts off after filling 12liters in my empty tank while resting at the filler neck, I would say the nozzle is pretty accurate in shutting off and the filler neck is located pretty accurately in the tank.

Also your statement suggests that its impossible to accurately measure fuel mileage in all the Cars and FI motorcycles and only the R-R method in Carb bikes is accurate. If thats teh case, then why is the automotive industry moving towards a more inaccurate system?

Also Hornet IS a performance oriented bike. If it wasnt, Xblade and Unicorn160 would not have coexisted in teh same segment. Doesnt take a genius to figure that out. A "performance bike" does not translate to just "track usage with mods".

**RoyalIndian** · 04-26-2018, 07:36 PM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

Originally posted by MotoBlizzard View Post

Also your statement suggests that its impossible to accurately measure fuel mileage in all the Cars and FI motorcycles and only the R-R method in Carb bikes is accurate. If thats teh case, then why is the automotive industry moving towards a more inaccurate system?

R-R for Carb bikes

F-F for FI

Period. Indian motorcycling community is gonna take some time to catch up.

Go and cooldown at the track. (Lets go this Sunday, dont leave without me or else I am gonna rip of your new tail tidy.)

**unik** · 04-27-2018, 10:32 AM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

Sorry for long replies. I meant to edit the earlier post but accidentally deleted it.
1)The auto cutoff mechanism in fuel pump works whenever the venturi inlet is immersed in fuel. But back pressure at higher fuel speeds can also trigger the cut off. Since fuel level in motorcycle tank is pretty visible, an experienced person can actually fill it up to brim without spilling a drop. So 12L is possible. People usually target for second click while filling giving sometime for fuel to settle after first cutoff. The flaw is, this feature is not standardised for actual fuel capacity of the vehicle. Sometimes it works at 10L, sometimes at 12L or if it is not ‘properly’ positioned it can spill too! If you use a bottle to buy fuel you can see this working.
2)Full tank method is pretty accurate. You have to fill fuel the second time from same place using the same nozzle operated by same guy in the same way, if you rely on cutoff. See it is not standardized and hence the inaccuracy. But if you have a reference point/mark/groove in the tank up to which you fill fuel both times, then this is the convenient and accurate method in real life. It doesn't have to be 'full’ tank, any point is good, but higher the better. So the word 'full tank’ and the cut off method to achieve it makes the inaccuracy. Also unless you empty the tank, you cannot make sure the 12L point/capacity in Hornet is accurate. If you first empty it and fill, then any amount of fuel, say 5L, will give FE as you don't have to fill it again to get fuel reading.

R-R method is like emptying the tank. Here petcock in reserve position will not let a single drop into carb as long as vehicle is in level ground. The inaccuracy comes due to inclined roads but you may not hit a 1 km long incline that too nearing reserve position. You want to check FE so you should be taking care of road conditions, at least. But less accurate than reference point full tank method.
3) Hornet is performance bike if you define performance that way. For me it is similar to other 160 cc bikes apart from styling. You have sporty features not performance enhancing features. The outputs are not the max out of the engine if you want outright performance. It is balanced to suit various needs.
BTW, my 'baby’ Hornet giving atleast 50 kmpl (I'm not concerned about accurate figures). What's your ‘performance’ Hornet giving?

**Anupam Das** · 04-27-2018, 03:57 PM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

Originally posted by unik View Post

Sorry for long replies. I meant to edit the earlier post but accidentally deleted it.
1)The auto cutoff mechanism in fuel pump works whenever the venturi inlet is immersed in fuel. But back pressure at higher fuel speeds can also trigger the cut off. Since fuel level in motorcycle tank is pretty visible, an experienced person can actually fill it up to brim without spilling a drop. So 12L is possible. People usually target for second click while filling giving sometime for fuel to settle after first cutoff. The flaw is, this feature is not standardised for actual fuel capacity of the vehicle. Sometimes it works at 10L, sometimes at 12L or if it is not ‘properly’ positioned it can spill too! If you use a bottle to buy fuel you can see this working.
2)Full tank method is pretty accurate. You have to fill fuel the second time from same place using the same nozzle operated by same guy in the same way, if you rely on cutoff. See it is not standardized and hence the inaccuracy. But if you have a reference point/mark/groove in the tank up to which you fill fuel both times, then this is the convenient and accurate method in real life. It doesn't have to be 'full’ tank, any point is good, but higher the better. So the word 'full tank’ and the cut off method to achieve it makes the inaccuracy. Also unless you empty the tank, you cannot make sure the 12L point/capacity in Hornet is accurate. If you first empty it and fill, then any amount of fuel, say 5L, will give FE as you don't have to fill it again to get fuel reading.

R-R method is like emptying the tank. Here petcock in reserve position will not let a single drop into carb as long as vehicle is in level ground. The inaccuracy comes due to inclined roads but you may not hit a 1 km long incline that too nearing reserve position. You want to check FE so you should be taking care of road conditions, at least. But less accurate than reference point full tank method.
3) Hornet is performance bike if you define performance that way. For me it is similar to other 160 cc bikes apart from styling. You have sporty features not performance enhancing features. The outputs are not the max out of the engine if you want outright performance. It is balanced to suit various needs.
BTW, my 'baby’ Hornet giving atleast 50 kmpl (I'm not concerned about accurate figures). What's your ‘performance’ Hornet giving?

It is not certain how much petrol\fuel is delivered inside petrol tank by the dispensers in petrol pumps. As most petrol pumps prefer\tend to deliver lower volume than displayed, it is advisable to calculate fuel efficiency by the mileage testing bottle.

**RoyalIndian** · 04-27-2018, 04:04 PM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

Originally posted by unik View Post

1)The auto cutoff mechanism in fuel pump works whenever the venturi inlet is immersed in fuel. But back pressure at higher fuel speeds can also trigger the cut off. Since fuel level in motorcycle tank is pretty visible, an experienced person can actually fill it up to brim without spilling a drop. So 12L is possible. People usually target for second click while filling giving sometime for fuel to settle after first cutoff. The flaw is, this feature is not standardised for actual fuel capacity of the vehicle. Sometimes it works at 10L, sometimes at 12L or if it is not ‘properly’ positioned it can spill too! If you use a bottle to buy fuel you can see this working.

2)Full tank method is pretty accurate. You have to fill fuel the second time from same place using the same nozzle operated by same guy in the same way, if you rely on cutoff. See it is not standardized and hence the inaccuracy. But if you have a reference point/mark/groove in the tank up to which you fill fuel both times, then this is the convenient and accurate method in real life. It doesn't have to be 'full’ tank, any point is good, but higher the better. So the word 'full tank’ and the cut off method to achieve it makes the inaccuracy. Also unless you empty the tank, you cannot make sure the 12L point/capacity in Hornet is accurate. If you first empty it and fill, then any amount of fuel, say 5L, will give FE as you don't have to fill it again to get fuel reading.

1. Back pressure from higher fuel speed? Where are you pulling this info from? Max Flow rate per minute is fixed in all gas pumps. Theres no question about a back-pressure here. The 12 liters is the capacity when filled upto the Filler neck, not to the brim. I think you are not aware of what a filler neck is. Also by shaking teh bike or car a bit, you can fill extra fuel beyond the printed capacity.

"Not standardized for actual fuel capacity"? It doesnt have to be.

2. You dont need to fill it from the same place using the same nozzle operated by same guy in the same way. In my 10 years of riding and driving, I have not seen any inconsistencies with the volume of fuel filled in my tanks. Once again, doesnt have to be "standardized". I am not even sure what you mean by that. The nozzle has nothing to do with standardization or actual fuel capacity...

As I mentioned before, it seems like you dont have a clear understanding of a Filler neck/stopper. Take a look into it, maybe your doubts will be cleared.

**unik** · 04-27-2018, 05:14 PM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

I really don't want to continue this further as this is getting nowhere. At the most there would be 2 or 3 kmpl difference whatever wrong you commit. That's it. Sorry for the mistakes you pointed out in previous replies. Some information are not verified first hand and hence the mistake.

**Ananda** · 04-27-2018, 05:21 PM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

Originally posted by MotoBlizzard View Post

Mention the flaws.

Also if the nozzle shuts off after filling 12liters in my empty tank while resting at the filler neck, I would say the nozzle is pretty accurate in shutting off and the filler neck is located pretty accurately in the tank.

Also your statement suggests that its impossible to accurately measure fuel mileage in all the Cars and FI motorcycles and only the R-R method in Carb bikes is accurate. If thats teh case, then why is the automotive industry moving towards a more inaccurate system?

Also Hornet IS a performance oriented bike. If it wasnt, Xblade and Unicorn160 would not have coexisted in teh same segment. Doesnt take a genius to figure that out. A "performance bike" does not translate to just "track usage with mods".

Exactly !!!! Hornet is not a fuel guzzling performance bike. Hornet is Performance oriented and servers multiple vertical of customers.
Honda managed to strike a fine balance and the results are visible.
We could see more Hornets on road than splendors.
Mine has done 28K. still easily goes for a dash.

**shrirang Shivankar** · 05-02-2018, 10:14 PM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

Hello everyone, I am planning on finalizing bike for daily commute.

Can you all please suggest me if I should go for Hornet abs version or should go for some other bike in same range?

Do you find this bike reliable and effective in your experience?

**anoopkumar0** · 05-03-2018, 11:28 AM

Re: Honda CB Hornet 160R Owners Experiences

Originally posted by shrirang Shivankar View Post

Hello everyone, I am planning on finalizing bike for daily commute.

Can you all please suggest me if I should go for Hornet abs version or should go for some other bike in same range?

Do you find this bike reliable and effective in your experience?

What is final on road price of ABS vs Double disc?
People would fill in more, if you explain more about your requirement.

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