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  • #2536
    Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V tuning

    Please help.

    My grey Apache 200 just crossed 3000 km, in 2 months. I have kept the rev below 5k for first 500 kms(mostly). 2 services are done.

    Went for a long from bangalore-Kotagiri and back. Even on the highway bike is refusing to go above 110-112 on 5th gear. hardly reaches 7k rpm. No such problem in 4th gear. happily took it to 114 kmph on 4th.

    What can be the problem? does it need more run in? Does it need a bit of tuning? The SC in JP Nagar is no good, I told them it is not fast; They said it is fast enough, why do you want to go faster? I didn't have an answer, I was contemplating more on punching him in face.

    If it needs more run in time, thenof what kind? If it needs tuning, where can I get it done? Please share contact of the person/name of the service centre.

    Thanks.

    P.S. If the issue can be something else, what is it?
    Last edited by indyana; 09-04-2017, 05:09 PM.

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    • #2537
      Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V tuning

      Originally posted by indyana View Post
      Please help.

      My grey Apache 200 just crossed 3000 km, in 2 months. I have kept the rev below 5k for first 500 kms(mostly). 2 services are done.

      Went for a long from bangalore-Kotagiri and back. Even on the highway bike is refusing to go above 110-112 on 5th gear. hardly reaches 7k rpm. No such problem in 4th gear. happily took it to 114 kmph on 4th.

      What can be the problem? does it need more run in? Does it need a bit of tuning? The SC in JP Nagar is no good, I told them it is not fast; They said it is fast enough, why do you want to go faster? I didn't have an answer, I was contemplating more on punching him in face.

      If it needs more run in time, thenof what kind? If it needs tuning, where can I get it done? Please share contact of the person/name of the service centre.

      Thanks.

      P.S. If the issue can be something else, what is it?
      Should be hitting 130+ on the 5th gear. Normally a bike refusing to pull in top gear could be due to multiple reasons like shifting pattern (shifting too early), weak clutch plates, worn out gearing etc. However your bike is new and such issues should not be cropping up. Hope you have been gentle with it during the run in period. Run in goes beyond 500kms.

      Occasionally, I've struggled to cross 120 too but only due to an extremely strong head wind resistance and me being really tall.



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      • #2538
        Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

        Originally posted by Manash Roy View Post
        Guys, recently went to the showroom only one bike left in stock, the next batch will come after 10 days or so. The bike that is left has a recorded top speed to 132 and odo is at 0.9kms and also the people at the showroom revved the nuts out of the bike in front of me, my question being is it advisable to go for the bike or should I wait 10 days more?

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        All the 200s in my dealership had a top speed in excess of 90. The one I chose was at 91. And yes, the folks at my dealership also started revving before I did the PDI and I asked them WTF. They were like chill this bike is made to rev like this. I had to shoo them away.

        Incidentally, I saw a KTM dealership also doing this a brand new D200. I just don't understand people. If you're so bored go to the corner and jack off man why are you ruining my bike.

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        • #2539
          Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

          Originally posted by stoneshwar View Post
          All the 200s in my dealership had a top speed in excess of 90. The one I chose was at 91. And yes, the folks at my dealership also started revving before I did the PDI and I asked them WTF. They were like chill this bike is made to rev like this. I had to shoo them away.

          Incidentally, I saw a KTM dealership also doing this a brand new D200. I just don't understand people. If you're so bored go to the corner and jack off man why are you ruining my bike.
          If you think your engine is made of cotton, you are wrong buddy.

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          • #2540
            Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

            Hey guys,
            Bought the 2004v white, and took delivery yesterday.
            Weirdly i found there is a minor tappet noise when the engine is run for long time.
            There is some grinding noise when decelerating or releasing the throttle or pushing the bike when it is off
            Other than that it has been performing great!
            Any sugggestions on service centre in chennai?
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            • #2541
              Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

              Originally posted by stoneshwar View Post
              All the 200s in my dealership had a top speed in excess of 90. The one I chose was at 91. And yes, the folks at my dealership also started revving before I did the PDI and I asked them WTF. They were like chill this bike is made to rev like this. I had to shoo them away.

              Incidentally, I saw a KTM dealership also doing this a brand new D200. I just don't understand people. If you're so bored go to the corner and jack off man why are you ruining my bike.
              I saw Bajaj guys doing same with v15 during its pdi .its same story everywhere

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              • #2542
                Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

                Originally posted by JS16 View Post
                If you think your engine is made of cotton, you are wrong buddy.
                Ok buddy.

                Originally posted by wingrider007 View Post
                I saw Bajaj guys doing same with v15 during its pdi .its same story everywhere
                Yep, which is why I was alluding to the fact that no point waiting for new stock. They will rev that also.

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                • #2543
                  Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V tuning

                  Originally posted by indyana View Post
                  Please help.

                  My grey Apache 200 just crossed 3000 km, in 2 months. I have kept the rev below 5k for first 500 kms(mostly). 2 services are done.

                  Went for a long from bangalore-Kotagiri and back. Even on the highway bike is refusing to go above 110-112 on 5th gear. hardly reaches 7k rpm. No such problem in 4th gear. happily took it to 114 kmph on 4th.

                  What can be the problem? does it need more run in? Does it need a bit of tuning? The SC in JP Nagar is no good, I told them it is not fast; They said it is fast enough, why do you want to go faster? I didn't have an answer, I was contemplating more on punching him in face.
                  If you are not getting a good response from your service center call up the TVS customer care number and register a complaint. They respond really well after that.

                  Also you might want to rephrase the problem better...'its not fast' doesn't indicate an issue. Something like the bike doesn't rev cleanly in 5th maybe better.

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                  • #2544
                    Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V tuning

                    Originally posted by ALI.R View Post
                    Should be hitting 130+ on the 5th gear. Normally a bike refusing to pull in top gear could be due to multiple reasons like shifting pattern (shifting too early), weak clutch plates, worn out gearing etc. However your bike is new and such issues should not be cropping up. Hope you have been gentle with it during the run in period. Run in goes beyond 500kms.

                    Occasionally, I've struggled to cross 120 too but only due to an extremely strong head wind resistance and me being really tall.



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                    Originally posted by Dovahkiin View Post
                    If you are not getting a good response from your service center call up the TVS customer care number and register a complaint. They respond really well after that.

                    Also you might want to rephrase the problem better...'its not fast' doesn't indicate an issue. Something like the bike doesn't rev cleanly in 5th maybe better.

                    Thank you for your reply ALI R, Dovahkiin.

                    I was not aware of the 5th gear issue when I went to the SC, just felt it is not being spirited enough. After the service went for the trip and encountered the phenomenon.
                    Took it to the same SC today, they took it for a ride and then tightened the clutch cable near the engine block end by quite a few turns; told me the cable was loose.

                    I am yet not sure if that was indeed the reason, will have to take it on a ride again to find out.

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                    • #2545
                      Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

                      Is it okay to hear timing chain noise after the engine is pretty hot? The rpm also raises by 500 when engine is hot sometimes 1000

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                      • #2546
                        Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

                        Originally posted by gokul27 View Post
                        Is it okay to hear timing chain noise after the engine is pretty hot? The rpm also raises by 500 when engine is hot sometimes 1000
                        Yes, it is okay to hear mild tappet noises when the engine is warmed up. A new engine, can smell weird and sometimes can sound a little different. If the tappet noise that you are hearing is present right from a cold start engine, it's advised to get your tappet clearance checked in the first service, with due importance. Secondly, on almost all warmed up engines, the idle will go slightly higher, say 100 to 200 RPM sometimes, perfectly normal. And once the engine is cooled down, would come to normal 1500 RPM.

                        Cheers!
                        VJ
                        Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                        The girl said, 'NO!'


                        And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                        THE END

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                        • #2547
                          Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

                          Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post
                          Yes, it is okay to hear mild tappet noises when the engine is warmed up. A new engine, can smell weird and sometimes can sound a little different. If the tappet noise that you are hearing is present right from a cold start engine, it's advised to get your tappet clearance checked in the first service, with due importance. Secondly, on almost all warmed up engines, the idle will go slightly higher, say 100 to 200 RPM sometimes, perfectly normal. And once the engine is cooled down, would come to normal 1500 RPM.

                          Cheers!
                          VJ
                          Well the Idle rpm is 1000 when the engine is cold and goes upto 1500 after warming up for 2mins, However after riding 5-6Kms it becomes nearly 2K. The tappet noise is not there during cold engine and sound is only very little after the above-mentioned 5-6km run.
                          I will notify the SC guys. But I wanted to know if it is permanently fixable.

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                          • #2548
                            Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

                            Hey Guys,

                            Completed one month of ownership of this beautiful bike. In love with the bike.

                            Ride commutes of daily from home to office and back, sometimes goes wandering around the city.

                            Now she has completed 1,500 km's so far. Yet to take on for a long ride.
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                            • #2549
                              Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

                              Originally posted by gokul27 View Post
                              Well the Idle rpm is 1000 when the engine is cold and goes upto 1500 after warming up for 2mins, However after riding 5-6Kms it becomes nearly 2K. The tappet noise is not there during cold engine and sound is only very little after the above-mentioned 5-6km run.
                              I will notify the SC guys. But I wanted to know if it is permanently fixable.
                              Idle RPM should be closed to 1.1 to 1.2k. When an engine is hot, or warmed up, the RPM can rise plus or minus 200 to 300 and no more than that. If your idling is close to 2k RPM when the engine is hot, check your AFR settings. But first, try reducing the engine RPM to 1500+100 when the engine is warm using the idler screw (a screw with spring coiled over) and do it very slowly. Observe how the bike behaves during cold and warm up conditions, should give you an idea.

                              Cheers!
                              VJ
                              Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl 'Will you marry me?'
                              The girl said, 'NO!'


                              And the guy lived happily ever after and rode motorcycles and watched sport on a big screen TV, went fishing and surfing, and played golf a lot, and drank beer and scotch and had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up and farted whenever he wanted.


                              THE END

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                              • #2550
                                Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V

                                Originally posted by gokul27 View Post
                                Well the Idle rpm is 1000 when the engine is cold and goes upto 1500 after warming up for 2mins, However after riding 5-6Kms it becomes nearly 2K. The tappet noise is not there during cold engine and sound is only very little after the above-mentioned 5-6km run.
                                I will notify the SC guys. But I wanted to know if it is permanently fixable.
                                From your explanation above, i suspect you are running on lean mixture and to compensate that for idling the idle screw has been adjusted for higher rpm (the butterfly valve will be opened more). This will result in more difference between hot and cold idling. I think if you try to reduce just the rpm alone without tuning the carb ( making rich), then you will face starting issues, but you can try to reduce just the idle rpm once, if it doesn't work, then you have to tune the carb correctly, most probably to make it rich. And yes, if its done correctly it will be a permanent solution until someone fiddle with the setting again.


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