Bajaj Dominar 400 Ownership Experience Thread

[msuthar25]

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Ownership Experience Thread

I was finally going to book Dominar after Diwali. Hearing its update news, can wait for few more months. Hope the price dosent get updated too much. Fingers crossed for Diwali launch.

[saorabbh]

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Ownership Experience Thread

The other updates are welcome but i think the USD forks are unnecessary.

Meaning you dont know how good USD compared with traditional telescope forks yet.

[Kshah]

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Ownership Experience Thread

Thanks mods for letting me in to X bhp. Tomorrow I was to book dominar 400 (I will be back on bike after almost 12 years) but now thinking to wait till new version launch. My only apprehension is will new version have dual channel ABS? USD may not be as required but Dual channel ABS is must.

[Akash.Yadav]

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Ownership Experience Thread

Meaning you dont know how good USD compared with traditional telescope forks yet.

What he meant was USD is unnecessary since it will increase the price of the bike without actually helping tremendously towards helping in the riding process to everyone who may buy Dominar.
A well tuned normal telescopic suspension does work beautifully and in a country like ours, helps with lower maintenance too - the probability of USD oil seal breaking in our conditions is higher than regular ones.

[VaibhavPisal]

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Meaning you dont know how good USD compared with traditional telescope forks yet.

Please shed some light on this if you know something.

Afaik usd forks are used for super high performance machines where they reduce suspended mass and bring overall mass closer to center of gravity. This aides in handling. Mind you, aides. Lot of other aspects contribute to handling. Yamaha r15 misses on usd forks and still handles like best ones out there.

For dominar its more of a marketing checklist. Like triple spark plugs. As if it really does something.

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Hopefully new version is sharper in handling with lower weight. If it gets usd forks, perhaps they want to emphasize sports in sports tourer badge.

[saorabbh]

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Ownership Experience Thread

Please shed some light on this if you know something.

Afaik usd forks are used for super high performance machines where they reduce suspended mass and bring overall mass closer to center of gravity. This aides in handling. Mind you, aides. Lot of other aspects contribute to handling. Yamaha r15 misses on usd forks and still handles like best ones out there.

It's not like only 1000cc should have USD forks.
Inverted forks decrease internal friction of components and "add lightness". Increased rigidity creates stability and brake mount points increase safety while braking in turns. Eg, while braking (front), the wheel slows down- pushing the bike back through the forks causing a bending moment to the fork. The upside down fork will be stiffer as the slider has a larger diameter compared to the stanchions. So , there you go.

On the other hand.. R15 is designed keeping rider in mind and total weight distribution.

Dominar is not like this. Designed keeping everyone in mind including 100kg person... So at higher speed it's better to have something which can save our bums no?

Considering all the updates I don't think it will hit above 2.5 mark. (Fingers crossed) [emoji16]

[saorabbh]

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Ownership Experience Thread

Hopefully new version is sharper in handling with lower weight. If it gets usd forks, perhaps they want to emphasize sports in sports tourer badge.

Hopefully they work on vibration issue on the new version which everyone is complaining of. [emoji23]

[VaibhavPisal]

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Ownership Experience Thread

It's not like only 1000cc should have USD forks.
Inverted forks decrease internal friction of components and "add lightness". Increased rigidity creates stability and brake mount points increase safety while braking in turns. Eg, while braking (front), the wheel slows down- pushing the bike back through the forks causing a bending moment to the fork. The upside down fork will be stiffer as the slider has a larger diameter compared to the stanchions. So , there you go.

On the other hand.. R15 is designed keeping rider in mind and total weight distribution.

Dominar is not like this. Designed keeping everyone in mind including 100kg person... So at higher speed it's better to have something which can save our bums no?

Considering all the updates I don't think it will hit above 2.5 mark. (Fingers crossed) [emoji16]

You mean you cannot achieve all these qualities using traditional forks like on current dominar?

I doubt it.

Also I hope they give single channel abs as option to save on cost. I think dominar needs abs but I am fine with single channel abs. Non abs version can be a handful since it weighs so much and increases pace rapidly.

[saorabbh]

Bajaj Dominar 400 Ownership Experience Thread

You mean you cannot achieve all these qualities using traditional forks like on current dominar?

I doubt it.

Also I hope they give single channel abs as option to save on cost. I think dominar needs abs but I am fine with single channel abs. Non abs version can be a handful since it weighs so much and increases pace rapidly.

You're compromising safety for the cheapest tourer available in India... ??
Bajaj offered dual channel ABS at cost of 1.6 ex showroom initially.
And still you get option to get non abs version as well.

And now you want single channel abs too.... Which reduces weight and cost!!

Hmmmm.....!

I think there are many options in the market if only cost is considered apart from dominar.
I mean have you ever cruised on 140+kmph on an highway and suddenly you spot some retard car driver getting in your lane without warning and you have to apply sudden brakes ?
Can you imagine yourself if there won't be any ABS in your bike or just front and not the rear which saves weight.. !
No offence but I've gone through that situation and the way ABS kicks in Dominar is amazing....!
This is INDIA my friend. There are more retard irrepressible drivers and riders out there on road who dont even care there's someone else on the road.
Compromise safety equals compromised life.
That's what I think.

[VaibhavPisal]

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You're compromising safety for the cheapest tourer available in India... ??
Bajaj offered dual channel ABS at cost of 1.6 ex showroom initially.
And still you get option to get non abs version as well.

And now you want single channel abs too.... Which reduces weight and cost!!

Hmmmm.....!

I think there are many options in the market if only cost is considered apart from dominar.
I mean have you ever cruised on 140+kmph on an highway and suddenly you spot some retard car driver getting in your lane without warning and you have to apply sudden brakes ?
Can you imagine yourself if there won't be any ABS in your bike or just front and not the rear which saves weight.. !
No offence but I've gone through that situation and the way ABS kicks in Dominar is amazing....!
This is INDIA my friend. There are more retard irrepressible drivers and riders out there on road who dont even care there's someone else on the road.
Compromise safety equals compromised life.
That's what I think.

I consider myself to be a pretty cautious and safe driver. For any accident I consider it my own fault, even if its 5%, while 95% fault is of the other party. I try to eliminate even that 5%.

In my humble opinion, on our roads if one is doing 140 kmph constantly, its not the other driver who is retard.

I am not calling anyone retard. Its just personal preference. I never do high speed cruising on our roads. 100-110 is ok with these breaks.

For me, I would cruise at higher speeds if they offered breaks like they offer on superbikes. A ducati monster sheds speeds at unbelievable rate due to brembo setup. Not due to abs.

[Akash.Yadav]

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Ownership Experience Thread

You're compromising safety for the cheapest tourer available in India... ??
Bajaj offered dual channel ABS at cost of 1.6 ex showroom initially.
And still you get option to get non abs version as well.

And now you want single channel abs too.... Which reduces weight and cost!!

Hmmmm.....!

I think there are many options in the market if only cost is considered apart from dominar.
I mean have you ever cruised on 140+kmph on an highway and suddenly you spot some retard car driver getting in your lane without warning and you have to apply sudden brakes ?
Can you imagine yourself if there won't be any ABS in your bike or just front and not the rear which saves weight.. !
No offence but I've gone through that situation and the way ABS kicks in Dominar is amazing....!
This is INDIA my friend. There are more retard irrepressible drivers and riders out there on road who dont even care there's someone else on the road.
Compromise safety equals compromised life.
That's what I think.

Not everyone can afford
1. The total cost which now goes beyond 2L.
2. Access to roads where cruising at 140+ kmph is possible.
Ohh, by the way, if rules are to be followed, 140 kmph is illegal speed already on our highways.
In fact majority of the highways are restricted to 80 or 100 kmph.
While I'm not a fan of ABS in smaller bikes(own choice of actually learning my bike, its braking capabilities and making me more aware of the environment than rely on the electronics to save me every time), a dual channel ABS system is the way to go since Dominar already offers this.
What they should do is reduce the weight of the bike.

[VaibhavPisal]

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Not everyone can afford
1. The total cost which now goes beyond 2L.
2. Access to roads where cruising at 140+ kmph is possible.
Ohh, by the way, if rules are to be followed, 140 kmph is illegal speed already on our highways.
In fact majority of the highways are restricted to 80 or 100 kmph.
While I'm not a fan of ABS in smaller bikes(own choice of actually learning my bike, its braking capabilities and making me more aware of the environment than rely on the electronics to save me every time), a dual channel ABS system is the way to go since Dominar already offers this.
What they should do is reduce the weight of the bike.

Yes, people these days ask for abs even on r15. Its ridiculous.

For all intents and purposes, r15 can be considered a toy bike. You can lock the front completely and still be able to control it. Unless you are a noob. In fact thats how I break on it in panic situations.

Dominar is different ball game though. I am not sure if I will be able to handle stoppie in panic situation due to weight.

[prajnyan]

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I consider myself to be a pretty cautious and safe driver. For any accident I consider it my own fault, even if its 5%, while 95% fault is of the other party. I try to eliminate even that 5%.

In my humble opinion, on our roads if one is doing 140 kmph constantly, its not the other driver who is retard.

I am not calling anyone retard. Its just personal preference. I never do high speed cruising on our roads. 100-110 is ok with these breaks.

For me, I would cruise at higher speeds if they offered breaks like they offer on superbikes. A ducati monster sheds speeds at unbelievable rate due to brembo setup. Not due to abs.

Are you not contradicting your own statement?? You want to save money by introducing single channel ABS and your definition of a faster bike brake working due to brembo is wrong. Because only brake pads are not enough, you even need good tyres, and with good brakes and tyres kicking in you need traction and abs to control the wheel from locking and you having a fall.

Why do you think it's wrong to expect dual channel abs for a few thousand more on a mid segment bike like Dominar.

[VaibhavPisal]

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Are you not contradicting your own statement?? You want to save money by introducing single channel ABS and your definition of a faster bike brake working due to brembo is wrong. Because only brake pads are not enough, you even need good tyres, and with good brakes and tyres kicking in you need traction and abs to control the wheel from locking and you having a fall.

Why do you think it's wrong to expect dual channel abs for a few thousand more on a mid segment bike like Dominar.

Bajaj is already offering dual channel abs. Anyone is free to buy whatever they see fit. I would nt waste my money on rider aids that I won't be requiring. This is my observation after extensive test riding dominar, duke390. They both are powerful enough to warrant abs.

I wouldn't get abs on any 250cc bike and lower. Would rather control with my wits, and wheel lock ups are fine with me. Provided bike handles like fz25 or duke 250.

In my books if you are getting in a situation where you have to slam both breaks to activate abs on both, you are doing something fundamentally wrong. Again my own principle and how I ride.

As for better break pads vs abs, I will always choose better break pads.

[Indivar]

Re: Bajaj Dominar 400 Ownership Experience Thread

Bajaj is already offering dual channel abs. Anyone is free to buy whatever they see fit. I would nt waste my money on rider aids that I won't be requiring. This is my observation after extensive test riding dominar, duke390. They both are powerful enough to warrant abs.

I wouldn't get abs on any 250cc bike and lower. Would rather control with my wits, and wheel lock ups are fine with me. Provided bike handles like fz25 or duke 250.

In my books if you are getting in a situation where you have to slam both breaks to activate abs on both, you are doing something fundamentally wrong. Again my own principle and how I ride.

As for better break pads vs abs, I will always choose better break pads.

You are absolutely correct. ABS is an assist, either in electrical or electronic form, and it cannot do the core function of providing stopping power which is the duty of the braking system. ABS comes into play maybe 5% of the time during normal driving conditions, rest of the time it is the braking system which does the work, with human input of course. I really dont understand why people are so confused about this.

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