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**Mr_Many_Places** · 02-26-2015, 04:29 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by darth_vader19 View Post

Wow, the Apache Cult is so warm and Responsive. (RTR Indeed

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Will check my spark plug and come up to a better conclusion.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]173565[/ATTACH]
Here's a pic I clicked, and trust e, it has to be seen in person to really be appreciated

It's currently returning about 29 per liter, and I am sort of Happy with that for now. I didn't buy it for the Mileage anyways. :P

I Did once rip it till 7k, 'cus i thought of going for a Motoman Run-in, but i havent touched more than 5k ever since.
Have I done any Irrepairable Harm to the Engine? Or is it allright?

I have a photocopy of it. Lollzz. Haha. It looks even better when you click it from the other angle

Regards
Alex

**Mr_Many_Places** · 02-26-2015, 04:46 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Here's my steed. Check it out. 6 months old.

Regards
Alex

**srinath2494** · 02-26-2015, 06:39 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by Chris2292 View Post

Chennai Xbhp is very active ! Look into the chennai chapter for rides ! 7 of us from chennai Xbhp including 2 rtrs did a 1.7k kms trip last December ! You can find the trip log here

Dream ride 2014 - Valparai-Munnar-Meghamalai. - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/31169-dream-ride-2014-valparai-munnar-meghamalai.html

Motorcycle travelogues by thousands of xBhpians from across the world.

And do meet us in one of the G2Gs . we would ride somewhere during a weekend ! and BTW stop doing speed runs at ECR . it's not at all safe considering the bad road conditions there now.

Yes, I have seen this travelogue! I am kind of active in the Chennai G2G page and trying to join a meet or ride soon. I am not a regular rider at ECR. Since its the first time, I had the urge to do it and yes, only when the roads were open. I saw the road works and stopped speeding when there were gravel or narrow roads

**Rahul.g** · 02-26-2015, 08:10 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by darth_vader19 View Post

BTW. And has anyone tried HID kits?
Are they worth it?

Yes i am currently running a 55w hid and previously had a 35w hid
If you get a good hid then anyday it is worth it and hid works great with RTR's reflector, even better than halogens
Its my personal experience
Just be sure to properly set in the hid in headlight.
I posted pics of output of the hid few pages back, post no - 16732
Check it out.

**Mirhawk** · 02-26-2015, 08:15 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

I wouldn't recommend a MotoMan engine break in, as I had chance to do it once and it didn't go so well with the RTR. Had My engine block replaced twice(once due to improper handling and second time since SVC had done it properly first time(free).) So basically I had 3 run ins, first normal, second MotoMan and third one normal again.

**Mr_Many_Places** · 02-27-2015, 01:23 AM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by Mirhawk View Post

I wouldn't recommend a MotoMan engine break in, as I had chance to do it once and it didn't go so well with the RTR. Had My engine block replaced twice(once due to improper handling and second time since SVC had done it properly first time(free).) So basically I had 3 run ins, first normal, second MotoMan and third one normal again.

Yes. I agree with you. Moto man has never been to india. Othervise he would have eaten his words. That type of run-in is for bikes which are built with much more advanced engineering than what we ride here. Our bikes cannot tolerate that.

Regards
Alex

**prateek2210** · 02-27-2015, 02:40 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by Mr_Many_Places View Post

That type of run-in is for bikes which are built with much more advanced engineering than what we ride here. Our bikes cannot tolerate that.

Regards
Alex

Can you explain this part???

**Mr_Many_Places** · 02-27-2015, 04:24 PM

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What i am trying to say is that what motoman advises is for bikes that are better & technologically enhanced. They cost much more & they are advanced in every way. If you apply motoman's technique in those bikes (busas,r1) they will show result & they can take the strees & strain we will be putting them under. But our bikes our not built like that. We do not have nikasil coated cylinders & whole lot of other high grade engineering. So if we apply that technique here it may harm out bikes. I am not explaining that the technique is useless , its a great understanding , i have read numerous review where riders praise him for this. But i have also seen the downsides. In india if u apply motoman's technique then out 10 maybe 6-7 may work perfectly. But if u apply this to the other bikes present abroad then 9 or maybe 10 of them will work perfectly. Maybe when we will get a homegrown 250cc bike that is technologically as advanced as theirs then we can willing use this method and reap the benefits of it.
Even i used to rev my engine a bit during run in but not that high. Max 6-7 rpm. Thats all.

Disclaimer : this is my personal opinion i will not force this upon any one . I am whole heartedly open to discussions.

Regards
Alex

**thunderRider** · 02-27-2015, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by Mr_Many_Places View Post

What i am trying to say is that what motoman advises is for bikes that are better & technologically enhanced. They cost much more & they are advanced in every way. If you apply motoman's technique in those bikes (busas,r1) they will show result & they can take the strees & strain we will be putting them under. But our bikes our not built like that. We do not have nikasil coated cylinders & whole lot of other high grade engineering. So if we apply that technique here it may harm out bikes. I am not explaining that the technique is useless , its a great understanding , i have read numerous review where riders praise him for this. But i have also seen the downsides. In india if u apply motoman's technique then out 10 maybe 6-7 may work perfectly. But if u apply this to the other bikes present abroad then 9 or maybe 10 of them will work perfectly. Maybe when we will get a homegrown 250cc bike that is technologically as advanced as theirs then we can willing use this method and reap the benefits of it.
Even i used to rev my engine a bit during run in but not that high. Max 6-7 rpm. Thats all.

Disclaimer : this is my personal opinion i will not force this upon any one . I am whole heartedly open to discussions.

Regards
Alex

What motoman suggested was for all 4 stroke engines. But it was tried out for bikes only. Superbikes at that.

Also, when he introduced the concept, he made a play on negative psychology, writing that how manufacturers were reaping profit by advicing slow break in.

Now, i don't have much knowledge about SBs, but those bikes are meant to run fast, and for long times. When you say Indian bikes, only hero, tvs, bajaj etc come to my mind and these are strictly standard daily commute bikes. Obviously the market is now more receptive to sports minded bike than ever, but these are not SBs. Couple that with the typical indian sasta chahiye attitude and the profit making and inherently the quality of the components go down.

I highly doubt the motoman approach would work here.

PS: have you read the reviews that are there on his site?? I noticed a very acute similarity between all those reviews and his writing style.
Just saying, ya know... [emoji14]

**prateek2210** · 02-27-2015, 11:22 PM

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I don't understand one thing, that people are so excited when they buy "Indian" bikes but still consider them inferior to others?

**Mr_Many_Places** · 02-27-2015, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by thunderRider View Post

What motoman suggested was for all 4 stroke engines. But it was tried out for bikes only. Superbikes at that.

Also, when he introduced the concept, he made a play on negative psychology, writing that how manufacturers were reaping profit by advicing slow break in.

Now, i don't have much knowledge about SBs, but those bikes are meant to run fast, and for long times. When you say Indian bikes, only hero, tvs, bajaj etc come to my mind and these are strictly standard daily commute bikes. Obviously the market is now more receptive to sports minded bike than ever, but these are not SBs. Couple that with the typical indian sasta chahiye attitude and the profit making and inherently the quality of the components go down.

I highly doubt the motoman approach would work here.

PS: have you read the reviews that are there on his site?? I noticed a very acute similarity between all those reviews and his writing style.
Just saying, ya know... [emoji14]

Well i felt the reviews to be genuine. There are riders who religiously follow him. That guy is correct too. But in india not sure.

Regards
Alex

**Mr_Many_Places** · 02-27-2015, 11:52 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by prateek2210 View Post

I don't understand one thing, that people are so excited when they buy "Indian" bikes but still consider them inferior to others?

I did not mean the inferior thing. What i meant was that you have to look up to the thing you have and just it properly. I will not think my rtr to be a world class bike. It is not but i dont want it to be. If a person is not going to understand his ride his engine will surely go kaput. Its about understanding what u have & how to use it. If india produces a sports bike which matches high quality present abroad i will be the first person to try the motomans method. But now not sure.

Regards
Alex

**prateek2210** · 02-28-2015, 12:24 AM

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[MENTION=75631]Mr_Many_Places[/MENTION] : How can you speak for all riders in India? Have you talked to each and every one of them and they were against Moto-Man. What I am saying is dont "assume" things just because you dont believe in it.

P.S. : You can use multi quote option rather than increasing post count.

**Mr_Many_Places** · 02-28-2015, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by prateek2210 View Post

[MENTION=75631]Mr_Many_Places[/MENTION] : How can you speak for all riders in India? Have you talked to each and every one of them and they were against Moto-Man. What I am saying is dont "assume" things just because you dont believe in it.

P.S. : You can use multi quote option rather than increasing post count.

Actually two of my friends followed motomans method & they got their cylinders replaced within 6 months . They were no hooligans. They always rode sensibly. But they followed this method. One a pulsar 150 & another apache 160. Well i am not speaking on anyone's behalf. I am speaking from my side & justifying my mindset to this topic. And i am not forcing anybody to "Believe" my experiences .

Regards
Alex

**rcboy** · 02-28-2015, 01:50 AM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

so what about ktm engineering like duke/ rc what if we apply motoman break in to them...(anyone tried yet?) what then..

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