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  • #2446
    Originally posted by shivank View Post
    I had the whole assembly changed before..the one-way clutch and some 'garari'..
    The engine was switched-off in the middle of nowhere.Self-starter didn't work the kick got jammed too.Had to ferry the bike in cycle-rickshaw!..
    Damn!!

    Like Renny asked, what were the symptoms you faced before that happened.The only thing i know is that while starting the engine makes weird loud noise.And what's 'garari'? And did this happened abruptly without any warning/indication while riding?

    @Renny

    I wont fiddle with the settings, man. Learnt it the hard way when i tried to do the same on my Victor!!

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    • #2447
      Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
      Damn!!

      Like Renny asked, what were the symptoms you faced before that happened.The only thing i know is that while starting the engine makes weird loud noise.And what's 'garari'? And did this happened abruptly without any warning/indication while riding?
      ..
      Dude! Get ready to face events like I faced!..
      This is the very first symptom of one-way clutch problems.It was the same kind of noise which my bike used to make(before the clutch crashed).The sound you are talking would be like as if someone is hammering the engine,no?
      My advice would be,don't wait till the damn thing gets jammed and leave you or your brother helpless in the middle of the road.Better take your bike to service center and replace it asap..!
      Don't know about the 'garari' thing.He told me,'garari change hogi' and I am just passing the message further..

      Yupp,you are right it will break anytime it likes to be!
      Last edited by shivank; 04-12-2010, 09:44 PM.
      If you ride like there's no tomorrow...worry not there won't be!

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      • #2448
        Originally posted by shivank View Post
        ..
        Dude! Get ready to face events like I faced!..
        This is the very first symptom of one-way clutch problems.It was the same kind of noise which my bike used to make(before the clutch crashed).The sound you are talking would be like as if someone is hammering the engine,no?
        My advice would be,don't wait till the damn thing gets jammed and leave you or your brother helpless in the middle of the road.Better take your bike to service center and replace it asap..!
        Don't know about the 'garari' thing.He told me,'garari change hogi' and I am just passing the message further..

        Yupp,you are right it will break anytime it likes to be!
        Nops, dude. The noise is not coming from my bike.It was the symptom reported by brother's friends.

        Just praying that the damn thing doesn't peep it's ugly head out without warning!!

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        • #2449
          Originally posted by shivank View Post
          Secondly,what about the AFR guys?..I don't know whether it's running lean or rich! I mean the only way I used to measure this thing is by idle engine speed ..Is there any other way to check this???
          You cannot tell by the idling if the engine is runnig rich or lean alone.
          If the engine is running lean, it'll run hot as compared to correct or richer mixture,will show you "not getting the fuel" feeling at the sudden inputs of throttle and the best way to check the weather the mixture is lean or rich is by the plugs colour.

          Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
          Damn!!
          @Renny

          I wont fiddle with the settings, man. Learnt it the hard way when i tried to do the same on my Victor!!
          Na, i just told you to rich it by 1/4 turns and see if it makes the diff otherwise turn it back 1/4 and your original setting will be there again

          Originally posted by shivank View Post
          ..
          Don't know about the 'garari' thing.He told me,'garari change hogi' and I am just passing the message further..
          Garari is the common mech term given to the clutch housing i think.
          Can someone please throw light on this one way clutch thing?
          JULIAN....Are you there?
          The Magician"

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          • #2450
            Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
            Nops, dude. The noise is not coming from my bike.It was the symptom reported by brother's friends.

            Just praying that the damn thing doesn't peep it's ugly head out without warning!!
            Just as a social service to human good you can pass the guidelines anyway

            @renny
            Shed some more light on lean and rich running effects and procedure..
            If you ride like there's no tomorrow...worry not there won't be!

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            • #2451
              Originally posted by shivank View Post
              @renny
              Shed some more light on lean and rich running effects and procedure..
              In simpler terms, lean will give you starting trouble in morn starts and rich will give you more ease at higher revs, but both in their more than needed side will wreck havoc to the setting.

              And you need to be little experienced there to tell by the throttle response on which side the bike is more tuned.

              A lot can be calculated by revving the bike at the centre stand with one ear at the block.
              The Magician"

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              • #2452
                Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post
                In simpler terms, lean will give you starting trouble in morn starts
                Correct, A lean mixture will have trouble in morning starts.

                Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post
                and rich will give you more ease at higher revs,
                No, A Rich setting will help only low and mid range surge and as a result you'll get better acceleration but if the setting is bit more on rich side, it'll kill the top end.. A setting bit lean is better for top end...
                Fun Starts at Redline!!!

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                • #2453
                  Originally posted by shivank View Post
                  ..
                  Dude! Get ready to face events like I faced!..
                  This is the very first symptom of one-way clutch problems.It was the same kind of noise which my bike used to make(before the clutch crashed).The sound you are talking would be like as if someone is hammering the engine,no?
                  My advice would be,don't wait till the damn thing gets jammed and leave you or your brother helpless in the middle of the road.Better take your bike to service center and replace it asap..!
                  Don't know about the 'garari' thing.He told me,'garari change hogi' and I am just passing the message further..

                  Yupp,you are right it will break anytime it likes to be!
                  Mate My bike too does that when it starts...sometimes even if i start form traffic lights...

                  so What should i tell the svc guys to get it fixed...and pls explain one way clutch..

                  my bike has done 1000 kms and two months old...
                  Did first service as per the book in TVS svc..

                  and one more prob i am facing is that my rear brakes hv lost their normal biting force...its now brakes like a drum brake...What to do???

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                  • #2454
                    Originally posted by road_ripper View Post
                    No, A Rich setting will help only low and mid range surge and as a result you'll get better acceleration but if the setting is bit more on rich side, it'll kill the top end.. A setting bit lean is better for top end...
                    I never felt my engine (FIERO,KB100) giving me very good top end surge with lean mixture.
                    it always used to show more eagerness with the rich mixture throughout the rev range.
                    The Magician"

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                    • #2455
                      Originally posted by road_ripper View Post

                      No, A Rich setting will help only low and mid range surge and as a result you'll get better acceleration but if the setting is bit more on rich side, it'll kill the top end..
                      +1

                      That is why i wont fiddle with the settings as i am getting decent mileage and spot-on performance.

                      Why fix it, if it ain't broke!!

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                      • #2456
                        Originally posted by harish619 View Post
                        Mate My bike too does that when it starts...sometimes even if i start form traffic lights...

                        so What should i tell the svc guys to get it fixed...and pls explain one way clutch..

                        my bike has done 1000 kms and two months old...
                        Did first service as per the book in TVS svc..

                        and one more prob i am facing is that my rear brakes hv lost their normal biting force...its now brakes like a drum brake...What to do???
                        I have little to share about one-way clutches as far as the working goes.The one-way clutch is connected to the self of the bike which is further connected to the engine.It's then further connected to kick and I-don't-know-how?..So when the whole assembly breaks,it jams the kick too,therefore,the bike won't start..I am not sure how correct is this info but as of of now I can only recall these things as explained to me by the service guys that day..
                        It's better to change it asap.Take your bike to service center and solve the problem before it gets you into trouble!
                        If you ride like there's no tomorrow...worry not there won't be!

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                        • #2457
                          i found this at wikepidia:

                          "A sprag clutch is used in the electric starter motors of modern motorcycle engines to replace the Bendix gear common to automobile starters."

                          So does that mean it has nothing to do with the real clutch of the bike??

                          Originally posted by chicane1879 View Post
                          +1

                          That is why i wont fiddle with the settings as i am getting decent mileage and spot-on performance.

                          Why fix it, if it ain't broke!!
                          You can never get to a perfect setting without fiddling with the carb remember that too, and no two RTR will run exactly the same way with the same setting.
                          Last edited by rennycornelius; 04-13-2010, 06:40 PM.
                          The Magician"

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                          • #2458
                            Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post
                            i found this at wikepidia:

                            "A sprag clutch is used in the electric starter motors of modern motorcycle engines to replace the Bendix gear common to automobile starters."

                            So does that mean it has nothing to do with the real clutch of the bike??





                            You can never get to a perfect setting without fiddling with the carb remember that too, and no two RTR will run exactly the same way with the same setting.
                            Yup, it's not related to the clutch as we know of a motorcycle. Like shivank has mentioned it is related to the starting mechanism of the bike.

                            And about the fiddling with the carb, i trust the technician where i service my bike as he was the one who got the bike to the right state of tune.Earlier the bike was underperforming and was pinging at high rpms.

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                            • #2459
                              Originally posted by road_ripper View Post
                              Correct, A lean mixture will have trouble in morning starts.


                              No, A Rich setting will help only low and mid range surge and as a result you'll get better acceleration but if the setting is bit more on rich side, it'll kill the top end.. A setting bit lean is better for top end...
                              I believe its reverse of the statement you made. at low RPMs, when running rich, extra un-burnt fuel consumes some part of heat generated to get inflammed. That reduces the expansion of air and kills the low and mid range performance. But at high RPMs, Rich mix is required to burn the fuel faster and expand air quicker, as time available for combustion is very less. When running lean at high RPMs, AF mix does not contain enough fuel molecules to form a uniform flame and the combustion becomes non uniform. Ultimately, that lowers the top whack.
                              There's lot to it other than saddle....


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                              • #2460
                                Booked my RTR today
                                You Wont See Me In U'r RVM.. Coz U'll Be In Mine

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