Counter steering is required when you do high speed sharp turns and bike goes into power slide.
Power slide.. and counter steering..rider RANDY MAMOLA at Goiania track 1988


This is RUBEN XAUS at Monza 2009..see the rear wheel mark on track


This is CASEY STONER at Sepang 2009

Try to locate a frame and glass fixer in your area.Next remove the top plastic unit of console and take it to him and ask him to make an exact size Glass piece as the damaged one.Now carefully remove the damaged piece and stick the glass piece with either Fewi quick, or Fevitite Rapid adhesive and wait for 30 minutes for it to heal. Pour water on the inside of the piece to check for water leak..If there is none then wipe it dry and fix on to the console.

sheelpriye-performs better meaning in acceleartion NOT Top speed.

How-apache has 15.5 nm@6500 RPM torque so it has more torque than the r15 and the bike has been made for mid range.therefore a stock RTR180 WILL EAT the stock r15 when it comes to acceleration koi shak???.i am talking about the v2 too.apache is beter flickable too.

where-in a good road with very less traffic or a track....

when-Since 2009 since the day apache 180 was launched...

handling is not that great with the stock tyers just change the tyers and it will handle almost as good as the R15.Period

but after speeds of like 110 r15 will beat the shit out of apache becuase it loses out on the top end....
But remember apache is the only indian bike(leave out sbk's or mybe the ninja and CBR) where you can revv it to an insane 12K RPM...r15 stock cant do it!!

hope this explains and please i have ridden the r15 v1 extensively also v2 to a certain extent! even the r15 guys were quite impressed with apache's accelaterion and flickability.

Help!

Plz Reply to my post for Installing Angel eyes + projectors for my rtr 180.... Where should i go in JC road bangalore and how much will it cost for the setup?

i will be getting it done today so plz reply fast thanks!

@sheelpriye-You need to get your facts right or probably haven't rode a A180.Apache does 0-60 in little less than 4 seconds.Upto 0-100 A180 has the best acceleration,almost on par with the P220.And about the handling part,yes nothing comes close to the R15.

^^^^BTW-this is the RTR 180 thread...

1.okay sir i am sorry. performace doesnt mean only acceleration...i shouldnt have said performace i should have said pick up.

"Both Motorcycles do the distance of 0-60 kmph in about 5 secs and by the time you snick into 3rd, R15 pulls."
WHOA. i must have ridden a p220 then... sorry mate...
but this is a fact and you too argue as much as you want
acceleration-RTR180>r15
brakes-RTR180>r15
handling-RTR180<r15
Top speed-RTR180<r15

2.yes agreed flickable is the RTR
3.you didnt read my post i never said that rtr will own r15 in handling with better tyers...i said it wil be almost as good as the r15 which i feel is reasonable...r15 is way better maybe but from perspective and experience apache is the next best thing to r15 in handling.yeah suspension i know r15's better
4.when did i tell you that you havent ridden a rtr????

as far as saytyens statements go

"You have ridden both, so? What is the big deal in it? "
this is totally contradictory to satyens 5th statement.
and i must say you havent look at his state,ents before posting you opinion here...

Bro,i will be using it after 5000kms.Our Xbhp member swagat bhai (chicane1879) had used it and got great results.The engine becomes smooth.Its somewhere between page no.202-210

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And please post pictures of your RTR on fire, will ya?

Err, incorrect dude. The ONLY way to steer a motorcycle above very low speeds(~20km/h), is by countersteering. When you think you're actually steering in the same direction as the turn, you are in effect, countersteering because there is no other way to turn a motorcycle normally. You may try to steer in the same direction, but physics and reflexes take over at some point, and you WILL countersteer. Now, people who realize this and learn to actively countersteer, will be able to turn faster and more accurately. I've learned to countersteer over 10 years ago, and it's pretty much reflex for me now. This is more critical for bigger and faster bikes like SBKs.

The easiest way to understand (not master) the way it works is to steer with one hand. You'll understand very soon. It's also (rarely) called 'push-steering' because you push on the handle bar on the side you want to turn into. For example, to turn right, push forward on the right hand bar (with your right hand of course), in effect turning the steering to the left (opposite direction) and the bike will turn to the right. Used in combination with hanging off the seat and weighing the outside peg, this is probably the only way to accurately and effectively steer a big, fast machine.

ps. LOL shivank!

I read a lot about counter-steering earlier. But every thing about it just went above my head on all the occasions. A few videos from YouTube did great help though. Watch:

counter steer demonstration - YouTube

counter-steering - YouTube

This is an interesting observation and reveals something about human psychology.

An owner of an 'inferior' object (only he thinks so) needs to defend and justify his purchase decision by trashing a very similar but superior (again, this may be his flawed opinion) object.

Reading and watching videos can only help so far. The best riders are the ones who actually practice improving their riding skill. Not posing and streetlight drags. I think we need more tracks, where people can vent, learn and prove which of the 180 and r15 is actually faster/quicker/better/more mileage. Scratch that last one.

sheelpriye-in every discussion the R15 is compared????

sheepriye- i am so sorry... for comapring the R15 with the TVS180!!!! ill never do it again in my life

err but then you too have have sold of your superior bike and bought a inferior bike?


as shivank said we will burn all aur RTR's happy!!!!

shivank-LOl last time even you too had got into an argument i remember... lets cool off

back to the thread i want to give my bike for servicing now which engine oil is better motul or shell????some one in this thread mentioned that motul will be better for redlineing..

Do whatever you want sir. I have no objections.

Just don't be irked by anyone who thinks one is better than the other, regardless of experts' opinions. If everyone would think alike we'd all end up riding the same bike on the roads. You might get the feel by leaning the bike to insane degrees and I might get the feel by the grunt, torque, noise, acceleration of my bike. Arguing over this is like Your requirements vs My Choice. There's no end to this unless they both meet perfectly. I hope you get the drift.

We have had arguments over the past too and I would not like to continue arguing like a 3rd standard kid.

Thanks

Now, I have a track nearby too. Waiting for an opportunity. :P


That too, as Julian pointed, is human psychology. To not just hear anything against the superior. Be it the projector headlamps!

Yeah, remember the last time too. Not going to stick my neck out for long this time though...