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My bike doesn't make me spend so much, just proper time oil change and also general servicing is keeping it fit even though it has already run 47+ kms and still not all believe that my bike has run that much. . . I can maintain the bikes but the thing is I need the bike to be good. . . Yup you are right, I don't think so then I would like to opt it out, if there was a
solution I would had made it but if that's a permanent problem, then no ways I am gonna live with it , then it leaves to me to go for the 220f. . .

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Well, even the 220 dtsi has vibrations but a lot more controlled than the apache(can do 70-80 without being vibey at all then some vibes do creep in but again no where even close to apaches.). The 200ns is even smoother.
If you want a smooth riding fast bike then why don't you consider the KarizmaR or the Zmr?
I would personally pick the 220 or 200ns out of them but then that is me.

Cheers mate. Ride safe.

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The thing is I can bear with the vibes but not the vibes of RTR, it's too annoying mate, can't cruise along with those speeds, even though my bike just does a top speed of 101kmph which is increased to 120 kmph my bike doesn't have that kind of vibration in it which makes me irritated, . . As far as pulsar is concerned I don't think it vibrates as much as RTR's as I forgot to mention this, I previously had one of my bro friend's RTR160 hyperedge which I had borrowed it for a week and wasn't happy with it's vibs as well, performance wise I am really happy with it. . . It was long back but thought TVS have come up with something for it now but after riding the new 180, I don't think they have done anything for that. Except this, I just love it's quick throttle and good braking and other features in it but when it comes vibrations, it makes me to say NO. . .

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Actually TVS has put Honda as the benchmark when it comes to engine smoothness..
Hopefully they will achieve it as soon as possible..
I also heard TVS phoenix-125 was designed with the benchmark in mind.
I haven't ridden it personally. Hopefully they will achieve this sooner or later.
So as suggested by other member also consider Karizma. Will be smoother than P220.

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I don't want so much smooth riding as I have my Unicorn now and that's enough, I want another ride for myself, so planning for 220 or RTR180, . . By looking all these specs, I think 220 is a better machine. . . Karizma R and ZMR "NO" cos I don't like the styling that much and also previously had been riding my friend's Karizma which was almost like mine, so NO for that. . . As I am seeing for a used one, I think 220 seems best and I can get one for a reasonable price, 200NS I have ridden that too many a times n yes it's indeed the best pulsar ever but 220 and NS are different in their own ways and also I liked the 220's looks and also as I do some touring every now and then and also sundays I do some track practicing, so I was thinking as to which one. . .

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Yup you are right about that, saw the news sometime back and about the Phoenix, my frnds who have Phoenix said it's a completely different kind bike and they praised a lot about it's smoothness, at first I doubted but after hearing from few, came to a conclusion, gotta test ride it myself once too. . . Ok now back to the topic , Karizma, I have quoted above, please go through it, that's the reason I am preferring 220 or RTR180 over Karizma and thanks for your help mate and also the tires are skinny, don't want those at least 120mm tire will be good IMO. . .

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@Rakesh Rok, Let me simplify the vibration part.


The maximum vibrations in RTR is the range of around 4-6k rpm, which in fifth gear falls in range of around 45-70kmph, which is annoying while touring. Post this rpm, the bike smoothens out slightly and vibes slowly creep in again post 120kmph, which I guess is acceptable.


There are two simple solutions to reduce it but not by great extent, either use riding gloves or use a better engine oil than the TVS oil! The engine oil makes a lot of difference to vibrations & maintaining it well does play its part in reducing vibrations. Moreover, the newer 2012 models of RTRs have slightly lesser vibrations compared to older one, I have verified this myself. So if possible, plan to get a newer one.



Regarding your choice of P220 or RTR, it is really a difficult one. RTR is easy to ride in traffic, superb handling (even better with better tyres!), better braking and one of the best sounding exhaust notes in its time! Whereas P220 does come with more top end punch (which is a big plus point for highway cruising), better headlamps due to projectors etc. But RTR is designed to take a lot of abuse. You can redline it each gear daily and it can still perform flawlessly in the end, provided you maintain it well. You cannot expect this from P220. But yes, RTR does have vibrations and P220 is comparatively bad at handling department.



But it is a choice you have to make. Since you say, you really dont like vibrations then better to go ahead with P220. If you can manage vibes (like most of us in this thread here ) and want a quick & nimble bike, get RTR hands down!

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Good to see you guys had a blast with the strange sarcastic comparison between turbo & filter . Now on a serious note..

Prateek,lets not debate on whether or not a filter gives performance "bump" or not.. The primary objective of a air filter is to provide a right amount of clean air to the carb..These paper filters do cater to the need of supplying clean & large(read sufficient) amounts of air to the carb. in an instant, when the throttle is twisted..when compared to the stock setup of a tube,resonance chamber,air box & finally a filter consisting of a cage & then two cylindrical sponge layers.. & the whole set up has got a 5cm(approx) dia opening which is further covered up by a side cover which has got two openings of 2inch(approx)..Just compare the surface area for suction of the stock & conical filter..Please give this a serious thought..
Regarding the loud "roar"or different sound or noise at all rpms is not true.What I'v noticed is that,Different filters have different rpms at which they begin to make the sound. My bike with this 300 bucks filter is as a stock bike(only in terms of sound) until some 5000 or 5200 rpm & once after the that rpm the filter sound starts..This is the same case with other RTR180 running on this filter.. One more example I could give you is a friend's FZs which is fitted with a UNI sponge filter(costed him some 1800), this FZ is is as silent as a bone stock FZ till around 4000rpm & only after the 4000 rpm the filter sound starts..

I do know that the principles behind a turbo & air filter is very different.. The comparison was made to illustrate how a turbo muffles the cluttering diesel engine sound with a more wooshing/whistling sound ,when the rpm of the engine begins to increase into the range where the turbo kicks in & similarly the suction induced in an air filter creates a loud sound to muffle the sound of the engine..
Each filter is different from another.. The level of air input & filtration varies drastically.There is no hard and fast rule that you change a filter you need to up-jet the carb., it depends directly on the filter you change to.. Few filters are just plug and play type, you just need to adjust the fuel air ratio..This 300 buck filter is this type of filter where NO Upjeting of carb. is required.It is chock free even in the red line, it does not foul the spark plug(should be tuned rightly) even after 12k km & the filtration is really good.. It is more reliable than the stock filter as it is cheap to replace & if it gets dirty, it can be identified by visual inspection itself, where as you cannot do the same with the stock filter.
Yes, some filters like UNI,K&N,Simota,Crosworth,etc.. will(read,may require & it totally depend on the filter+carb. combo) need up-jetting(again its a trial & error for up-jetting)..
And Bro, obviously no one will expect a 180cc to beat a 220cc after changing an air filter ..

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Thanks for your review bro and I think that's what I my friend meant around 90-100kmph there are not so vibrations he said and also he's good built n 6" tall, so he won't notice that much. . . If using a fully synthetic oil like castrol power1 racing or shell ultra can reduce the vibrations to the minimum level possible, I can think about it or else, the 220 is the only option left. . . Regarding buying a new one, I really wanna buy a new CBR150R which will take time so for the time being, I want another bike along with my Unicorn with which as I said can do good touring and some track fun. . . Let me see, and ride more and more and come to a decision, . . There is no negative point from my side about 220, although I don't like these two TVS and Bajaj, but still I wanna see how they behave and to bring them to a good working level, something like make it more refined and all. . . It's like you said, both are really tempting and it's hard to choose one in them. . . Once again thanks for your help, will see which will be mine in few months. . .

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Fully synthetic definitely reduces the vibes of RTR.. But my friend & I had a bitter experience with Shell Advanced Ultra 10W40.. The oil is too good BUT the RTR's gasket(engine head gasket) gets damaged because of this oil & oil starts to leak out from the engine-engine head joint.. May be Motul or Castrol FS oils won't damage the gasket..

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Oh ok about that, what kind of oil do you use and have you experimented using fully synthetic, what are the changes you felt. . ?

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I'v used the Shell Advanced Ultra 10W40 FS oil for more than 14k km.. The engine is a lot smoother, the engine feels like it revs more freely & the clutch has become very sharp & precise,gear shift is also super smooth & precise as well.. But during the first 100km after shifting to this FS oil I did face a few false neutrals & a few gear slips as well.. As I mentioned earlier, oil started leaking & could confirm that it was due to the oil, coz my friend shifted to the shell ultra oil when his bike was 12k km on odo & after few hundred km he saw oil stains/seepage is the same exact area where my bike leaks oil,he discontinued using the ultra & shifted to Shell AX-7..

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Do you mean to say that Shell Ultra is unsuitable for only RTRs or other bikes as well or just new bikes. . ? I am remember reading about this somewhere . . .

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If I'm not wrong RTR vibrates mostly on the handle bars alone right ? Or is it entire body vibrations ? Handle bar vibrations are easily manageable Rakesh, you'll probably even begin to like the feel of it. Go for the newer 2012 model.

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No sire, footpegs, tank, underseat and the handle bars, everything vibrates.

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I won't say Shell Ultra is unsuitable for RTR but I would say that the gasket of RTR is not suitable for Shell ultra..
Many xbhpians use this oil..In-fact, a CBR250 did 6000km without any problem or drastic drop of oil levels & did not show any signs for an oil change.. I am searching for a ABRO RTV gasket maker & then I'l revert back to shell ultra..