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**susheelkumar** · 11-21-2013, 11:13 AM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by vishnu.leo View Post

In usual HID (without projector) kits on bikes (read cheaper) ones have halogen filament for th low beam and Xenon
For high.

And about the battery dont know exactly about rtr160s but 180 tends to run 35w hids rather flawlessly all night provided u keep the rpm above 3-4k most of the time (for charging)
And if u happen to have the abs version

that prob isnt one you are gona face.. Mainly cause abs ones have a bigger coil and also they charge up battery considerably faster so unless you have a bad battery u have nothing to be worried of. ( i was running with xenon projectors for quite some time now and used to have a lot of "all night" rides ., but now im back to stock due to some other reasons)

And projector heating up ..the bulb nor the unit doesnt heat up per se.. Its the ballast unit you need to be careful of. NEVER NEVER EVER wrap it up in anything to prevent it from rattling around(one grave mistake i did on a ride) it needs aur circulation or good heat dissipation if not most ballasts have a safety feature that turns it off when it exceeds a specific temperature. And hid will refuse to turn on until the whole thing cools down which could take some time.

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Thanks for the reply buddy. If I can maintain both halogen as well as Xenon at the same time, its cool. Because in cities I ride 99.9% in low beam.
Just trying to be a sensible rider.

So this will serve in highway rides when I really require it. By the way in RTR-160 also its 35w.
Then the battery setup which I use is the same stocks. I dont know if it is as good as non-ABS RTR 180.
So regarding the heat if Im not going for projectors then I think heat dissipation will not be a problem, right?
I mean only projector setup will cause heating issues, right?

**vishnu.leo** · 11-21-2013, 11:32 AM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by susheelkumar View Post

Thanks for the reply buddy. If I can maintain both halogen as well as Xenon at the same time, its cool. Because in cities I ride 99.9% in low beam.
Just trying to be a sensible rider.

So this will serve in highway rides when I really require it. By the way in RTR-160 also its 35w.
Then the battery setup which I use is the same stocks. I dont know if it is as good as non-ABS RTR 180.
So regarding the heat if Im not going for projectors then I think heat dissipation will not be a problem, right?
I mean only projector setup will cause heating issues, right?

I wouldn't recommend an HID alone...it has more glare and since the light isn't focussed it tends to disperse more, i would always recommend projector than HID. but even said so i would recommend you giving a try for 55/60 halogen philips or osram bulb(normal ..just 100 bucks) before making a decision on the HID.
I think that would be the best and safest bet.

p.s. im currently running on a 55/60w halogen and trust me it sure gives you an edge

low beam is more powerful than our stock and almost as powerful as holding the passlight on stock(hi+low) and if at all you are you need a bit more "light power just give the flash button a press and presto you have enough to make the opposite guy dim his light". just give this a shot before going down the hid path.

p.p.s. heat will become issue in both since they both have Ballasts (hid and projector-hid setups) but only if you do something stupid like i did :P

**susheelkumar** · 11-21-2013, 11:39 AM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by vishnu.leo View Post

I wouldn't recommend an HID alone...it has more glare and since the light isn't focussed it tends to disperse more, i would always recommend projector than HID. but even said so i would recommend you giving a try for 55/60 halogen philips or osram bulb(normal ..just 100 bucks) before making a decision on the HID.
I think that would be the best and safest bet.

p.s. im currently running on a 55/60w halogen and trust me it sure gives you an edge

low beam is more powerful than our stock and almost as powerful as holding the passlight on stock(hi+low) and if at all you are you need a bit more "light power just give the flash button a press and presto you have enough to make the opposite guy dim his light". just give this a shot before going down the hid path.

p.p.s. heat will become issue in both since they both have Ballasts (hid and projector-hid setups) but only if you do something stupid like i did :P

I cant go with 55/60w as the max supported in stocks is 35w.
But there is also option of 35w osram nightracer plus (http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...80-a-1455.html which cost around 650/- bucks.
One of the member Adarsh uses this.
I think I should try that first.

**vishnu.leo** · 11-21-2013, 11:56 AM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by susheelkumar View Post

I cant go with 55/60w as the max supported in stocks is 35w.
But there is also option of 35w osram nightracer plus (http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...80-a-1455.html which cost around 650/- bucks.
One of the member Adarsh uses this.
I think I should try that first.

Mine is "electrically" stock. and running 55/60 without any problems like instrument cluster getting reset at times which i had when i was running on 35w projectors...

and the max wattage i have gone was 90/100w osram ultra which i would never ever recommend (not due to electrical problem but heat .... even burnt a hole in my old headlight head...which was the reason for me going into projectors the first thing :P )
btw try swapping the nightracer bulb if someone you know has one just for a night... its better that way to make sure you dont just throw 650 bucks down the drain

**aditya_iyer** · 11-21-2013, 12:05 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

The osram nightracer plus is a great halogen lamp without mod for our bikes, as compared to Philips. Of course, Philips has a cheaper xenon lamp if anyone's interested but personally I am in process of sourcing the osram nightracer plus for my 2012 apache since the new ones have less light throughput due to low output lamp reflector. BTW [MENTION=52506]vishnu.leo[/MENTION]'s idea is also gud about testing the nightracer lamp before investing but [MENTION=47593]Adarsh_Bk[/MENTION]'s experience seem otherwise gud enough to invest in the lamp if testing is not possible

Learnt the hard way that TVS tires are not to be abused in offroad conditions, especially village roads. Time to invest in an emergency tubeless puncture kit as well :'(

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**Adarsh_Bk** · 11-21-2013, 12:17 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

@vishnu.leo : Buddy I have been saying this from the beginning, RTR180 ABS has full DC electricals and the coil produces lot more power than non ABS ones (around 150W in ABS while non-ABS produces around 100W!). So you can use 60/55W headlamps without any issues where as we cant

Most probably you can even use 35W HID/projector without issues.

Coming to 35W Nightracer, I am only suggesting this because there is no other alternative at 35W! If you dont want to fiddle with electricals, this is the only bulb which is worth investing in

It is not just me, few of my friends were surprised with the light throw in the previous highway ride at night!!

**aditya_iyer** · 11-21-2013, 12:26 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by Adarsh_Bk View Post

@vishnu.leo : Buddy I have been saying this from the beginning, RTR180 ABS has full DC electricals and the coil produces lot more power than non ABS ones (around 150W in ABS while non-ABS produces around 100W!). So you can use 60/55W headlamps without any issues where as we cant

Most probably you can even use 35W HID/projector without issues.

Coming to 35W Nightracer, I am only suggesting this because there is no other alternative at 35W! If you dont want to fiddle with electricals, this is the only bulb which is worth investing in

It is not just me, few of my friends were surprised with the light throw in the previous highway ride at night!!

Woh, thanx for this info. didn't knew this BTW anyone know if it is possible to fiddle with DRL & keep it off in no headlight/tail-light mode

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**vishnu.leo** · 11-21-2013, 12:32 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

@Adarsh_Bk i have seen the light throw of the nightracer, one of my friends is running a set on his n650. its pretty good actually. only thing thats a deterrent is the cost involved. but since there is no other better alternative nightracer is the way to go for 180 nd 160. btw where did you source the bulb from? i searched quite a lot on ebay and everywhere but no one is selling an h4 nightracer

h7 maybe. and i believe my friend bought his online too. am not sure wether his is an H4

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Originally posted by aditya_iyer View Post

Woh, thanx for this info. didn't knew this BTW anyone know if it is possible to fiddle with DRL & keep it off in no headlight/tail-light mode

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you could rewire them :P actually its a green socket that connects the DRL to its source(just remove the instrument cluster from head and you can get access to that), you could do a DIY on that socket to get its source from the taillight.

but why would you need to do that...its freakishly awesome to have those leds glowing all the time

its not that they consume a lot of power

**Adarsh_Bk** · 11-21-2013, 12:37 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by vishnu.leo View Post

@Adarsh_Bk i have seen the light throw of the nightracer, one of my friends is running a set on his n650. its pretty good actually. only thing thats a deterrent is the cost involved. but since there is no other better alternative nightracer is the way to go for 180 nd 160. btw where did you source the bulb from? i searched quite a lot on ebay and everywhere but no one is selling an h4 nightracer

h7 maybe. and i believe my friend bought his online too. am not sure wether his is an H4

We came across an Osram distributor in one of our weekend rides

He suggested this bulb and I decided to try it out. Buying online, esp ebay is quite risky as there are loads of fakes lying around. Its better if you know a trusted seller.

**vivekgautams** · 11-21-2013, 04:46 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by susheelkumar View Post

Thanks buddy. I know this Motocross shop...I did my LED fitting inside air scoop from the same shop. Actually there is one mechanic who stands outside the shop itself...Right?
So you use normal halogen bulbs for low beam while riding inside cities & HID for high beam. Am I right?? Any idea what the projector setup might cost?
Also do you remember the name of the HID company?
Are you using same stock batteries for the same? I just concerned about whether it will drain the battery during long night rides.
Also I have read somewhere about the heat issue while using HID. Did you feel anything like that?
Again I'm asking too many questions..

Yup.. A mech. stands right outside that shop & he is really expensive & does incomplete work..
The HID is mono-Xenon, i.e, only one beam is HID &the other is halogen.. The halogen beam is hopeless but the street lights make it easy to ride on low beam itself..
A HID kit should cost you something around 1250 to 1400.. A projector(with angle light) would cost Rs2700 or so( I had asked a few months ago in the same shop).. But it might work out a bit more IF you need to convert your bike to full D.C..
I bought a made in china HID as "Branded" HID s are expensive & I was not getting a HID of 4000K or 4300K or 3800K( normal Halogen colour) these HIDs start with 6000K or 8000K which is useless for rain & fog..
I had a 6000K/8000K HID previously & the headlight cover & reflectors were not hot infact way cooler compared to Halogen.. 6000K plus colour temperature is known as "Cool Colours" ,so, I did not face any heating as such.. But the colours below 4000K/3800K are known as "Warm Colours", I have not checked the heating as of now, but will keep you posted..

Another option would be to use the P220's projector as I'v heard that it performance well, infact many guys have fitted it on cars aswell..

**susheelkumar** · 11-21-2013, 05:24 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by vivekgautams View Post

Yup.. A mech. stands right outside that shop & he is really expensive & does incomplete work..
The HID is mono-Xenon, i.e, only one beam is HID &the other is halogen.. The halogen beam is hopeless but the street lights make it easy to ride on low beam itself..
A HID kit should cost you something around 1250 to 1400.. A projector(with angle light) would cost Rs2700 or so( I had asked a few months ago in the same shop).. But it might work out a bit more IF you need to convert your bike to full D.C..
I bought a made in china HID as "Branded" HID s are expensive & I was not getting a HID of 4000K or 4300K or 3800K( normal Halogen colour) these HIDs start with 6000K or 8000K which is useless for rain & fog..
I had a 6000K/8000K HID previously & the headlight cover & reflectors were not hot infact way cooler compared to Halogen.. 6000K plus colour temperature is known as "Cool Colours" ,so, I did not face any heating as such.. But the colours below 4000K/3800K are known as "Warm Colours", I have not checked the heating as of now, but will keep you posted..

Another option would be to use the P220's projector as I'v heard that it performance well, infact many guys have fitted it on cars as well..

Thanks for the info buddy...And keep updating regarding how good it is in rainy & fog conditions.

**vivekgautams** · 11-21-2013, 05:34 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by susheelkumar View Post

Thanks for the info buddy...And keep updating regarding how good it is in rainy & fog conditions.

The 3000K is too good for foggy conditions compared to my previous 6000k/8000K HID(as the bluish light gets scattered too much).. Will have to wait for the rains as of now

**albyjose** · 11-21-2013, 11:07 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

[MENTION=47593]Adarsh_Bk[/MENTION]
I am actually running on 55/60w AC headlight which is the same one used in maruthi zen,I don't remember the name though I posted it a while back.
And my RTR is first generation AC type.All you have to do is remover 2 pilot lights and number plate lamp in back.This will save enough power to run 55/60w Ac lights without any issue.
One thing though,the flashing won't work.

**vishnu.leo** · 11-22-2013, 12:57 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by albyjose View Post

@Adarsh_Bk
I am actually running on 55/60w AC headlight which is the same one used in maruthi zen,I don't remember the name though I posted it a while back.
And my RTR is first generation AC type.All you have to do is remover 2 pilot lights and number plate lamp in back.This will save enough power to run 55/60w Ac lights without any issue.
One thing though,the flashing won't work.

I wouldnt suggest anyone to remove their pilots and the numberplate lamps as a whole...better replace them with an LED lamp.(they consume waaaay less power)

**jjshan** · 11-22-2013, 01:13 PM

oil leak through secondary air injection

hi guys
I've an rtr 180 which ran 28k kms. there is an small oil leak in secondary air injection. i substitute a new o ring, but still it is leaking. any solutions?

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